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Featured Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Jason0047, Nov 9, 2018.

  1. Yes.

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  1. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    Was King David Saved While He Committed His Sins of Adultery and Murder?

    Please vote in the poll and give your best answer with Scripture.

    May the Lord's goodness be upon you.
     
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  2. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    God exists outside of time, so there is no "timeline" for being saved
    in God's view.

    Acts 1:7
    He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority.
     
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  3. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    God deals with us in real time. This is evident by many verses in Scripture.
    God was going to bring judgment (destruction) to the city of Nineveh, but the judgment was averted by them repenting (seeking forgiveness) and turning from their wicked ways.

    What is interesting is that God did not turn away from His wrath or judgment upon them at the point when they first cried out to God, but it was when they later had forsaken their evil ways.

    You can read this for yourself in Jonah 3:6-10.
     
  4. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    Also, Scripture says that He died for the sins of the whole world (John 1:29) (1 John 2:2). Unless you are a Universalist, that does not mean everyone is saved.
     
  5. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    Yes. And He does not experience time. While we do.

    Revelation 22:13
    I am the Alpha and the Omega,
    the first
    and the last,
    the beginning
    and the end.”

    Revelation 1:8
    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God,
    “who is
    and who was
    and who is to come,
    the Almighty.”
     
  6. SkyWriting

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    And those who died early and those not yet born are covered.
    Fortunately, salvation is not on a limited human timeline.
     
  7. CodyFaith

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    There was no "saved" prior to Christ's shed blood on the cross and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

    David was always a child of God. He was loved by God before he did those things, during those things and after those things. God was always his shepherd, even when David went his own sinful ways.

    Psalm 23 David knew God would be his shepherd "Forever". He knew God had him in his sight for all eternity. Believers now have the same confidence - God is mine forever and I am his forever.
     
  8. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    Do you believe God exists in all points in time?
    If so, then He technically could not have rested (stopped from His work) on the 7th day because He would still be working in some other point in time.

    Scripture says,
    "But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;" (Hebrews 10:12).

    If God exists in all points in time, then He could not have offered one sacrifice for sins forever but He would still be reliving that sacrifice in some past time line over and over and over and over again.

    Is God a slave to time?
     
  9. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    There is no other name under Heaven whereby men must be saved.
    David was saved by Jesus just like everyone else.
    The OT saints looked ahead to the future Messiah to save them.

    As for Psalms 23:

    Where does it say that he would be a shepherd forever every single day of his life?

    Psalms 51 sure sounds like he needed forgiveness of sin and needed to have salvation back.
     
  10. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    I agree that babies go to Heaven. I believed they are saved by Christ's sacrifice. But if Once Saved Always Saved was true, then there would be no need to accept Christ again if one has Christ as a baby. The only explanation is that babies grow up to be an age where God holds them accountable for their sin, and when they sin, this sin separates them from GOD whereby they need to repent and forsake their sin with the Lord. Hence, which backs up the teaching in the Bible that grievous sin is separation from GOD (unless it is repented of and forsaken).
     
  11. eleos1954

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    God being all knowing, knew David would eventually turn back to Him. He did suffer the consequences of his sins greatly ... but yes, he was saved. Had he not repented before his earthly death he would not have been saved. You have to consider the whole story and how it ended.

    Psalms 51 - David Repents

    God Bless.
     
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  12. Jason0047

    Jason0047 Give in secret & you will be rewarded openly. Supporter

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    Numbers 35:16-18 says it only takes one act of murder to be a murderer.
    Leviticus 20:10 says it only takes one act of adultery to be an adulterer.

    Jesus even says to look upon a woman in lust (singular), one has committed adultery already in their heart and they are in danger of hell fire (Matthew 5:28-30).

    1 John 3:15 says no murderer has eternal life abiding in them.
    Proverbs 6:32 says he that commits adultery, destroys his own soul.

    In Psalms 51, we do not see David say anything like:
    God I know you have already forgiven me, but I am asking to have you back, etc., etc. No. That is not what we read. David is seeking forgiveness over his sin and he is asking for his salvation back.
     
  13. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Saved from what? Hell? Either he went to Hell, or he didn't. No one pops in and out of Hell, like the restroom in a pub. If you can't be sent to Hell, taken out and then thrown back in again, then you can't gain and lose your salvation in the same way, because the two are inextricably linked. Either he was ultimately saved, or he wasn't.
     
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  14. Dave L

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    Paul turned the Corinthian brother involved in incest over to Satan for destruction. To stop his sin from continuing. So he would simply die and go tho heaven. I think this happens and possibly would have happened to David had God not granted repentance.

    But David's sin was instrumental in producing Christ. As Bathsheba entered into Jesus' lineage. Even the change of one ancestor would produce different offspring from that point on.
     
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  15. redleghunter

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    Let's not let facts get in the way of the hypothetical. David repented when confronted. God obviously preserved David to that point. Everything else is irrelevant as God is Sovereign in the salvation of man.

    God's plan of salvation is from eternity.
     
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    What part of "the whole world" omits anyone, Jason?
     
  17. eleos1954

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    "David is seeking forgiveness over his sin and he is asking for his salvation back."
    and no doubt he received it ... end of the story.
     
  18. SkyWriting

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    Humans are stuck with time lines. God already created
    the entire story, end to end, before you were born.
    There is no point in arguing this... than that... or any such
    stuff becasue God has the entire story already.
    Including what you will write in your next post.
     
  19. SkyWriting

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    God knew that would happen. It was a done deal before David was born.
     
  20. CodyFaith

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    Lol.

    Dwell in the house of the Lord forever.

    Oh but I'm sure there's a great reason that isn't true.
     
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