Posted by Wannabe,
Do you see the problem I am having already with talking to a Ashurian/Greek/Christian Minister?
Do you see the problem I am having with someone who is dishonest and lacks integrity? When you join this forum you agree to follow the rules. This is a "Christian Forum", your posts violate rules 4 and 6, and possibly others. And I think the name calling is another violation. I said I was a Christian but I am not Greek or Ashurian, whatever that is.
You will see all the names YAHWEH has used for His Scrolls (the Greeks renamed it Biblyo or Bible) HAS BEEN CHANGED.
I don't see any evidence of this
! Oh by the way do you have any idea what the Greek word
bibloV means
? I didnt think so. Where are, "
all the names YAHWEH has used for His Scrolls"
? How about daleth-beith-resh,
dabar, i.e. word
?
Iesous (Jesus) has been referred as the Greek healing GODESSS (you said that not me)
False
! On 12th July 2002 06:34 AM you posted "
Then there is the Greek healer "Iesous Christos" (From the Greek healer "Ieso")" Calling it "
healer" does not change the fact that "
Ieso" was the name of the Greek goddess of healing. I only proved from lexical and Biblical sources that there is absolutely no connection between the name
Ieso and the name
iesouV.
The only ones referring to Jesus as "
Ieso" are ignorant 20th century sacred namers and other cults, who know absolutely nothing about church history or the Greek. As I have proved from the scriptures
none of the Greek philosophers, in the N.T., connected
iesouV with
Ieso or any other pagan deity
!
Christians need to stop lisening to ministers Priests etc... and research on their own and they wil be SHOCKED to discover where the titles/name LORD, GOD, IESOUS CHRISTOS (Jesus Christ) actually came from. All these Pastors etc... have a good way of "tickling your ears" but if you read Revelation very carefuly as well as the 10 commandments, what the "churches" are preaching is "dazzling an audience" while breaking the laws! but when things can't be explained they tell you "oh, its a mystery"
Oh Yes, all the cults, all the Jim Jones and David Koresh wannabes, want Christians to stop listening to ministers, etc., etc., etc., and start listening to them. Just swallow everything some "Wannabe" says. As far as "
research on their own", I am the only who has been doing any research, not Wannabe. The only one doing any tickling or dazzling around here is Wannabe.
It's also good to see Old shepard that you also recognize "Baal" is "Lord" and you know Baal is Baalzebul, Beelzebub= Satan!!
Hmmm...A title used for satan. Now would this title be honored by our Creator? Remember satan wanted all humans to worship him and lead the humans away from who we are suppose to "Cherish".
Hmmm, You have just demonstrated your abysmal ignorance of the Hebrew language and the fact that you have ignored almost everything I posted. As the source I quoted earlier said, and which you have just put your cult spin on, "
Ba'al" is a
Hebrew word which means lord or master. See definition below. But by
suffixing other nouns to it, such as "
zebul" or "
zebub" it then can mean, "
Lord of the flies" or "
Lord of the dung heap."
Ba'al alone does
not = Satan
! As a matter of fact, four times in the Ta'nakh, YHWH uses the word "
Ba'al" to refer to Himself. And before you even think about the so-called lying scribes I suggest you read the Hebrew.
Jer 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married (
baal) unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:
Jeremiah 31:31-32 'The time is coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will make a new covenant with the Family of Israel and with the Family of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt, because they broke My covenant, and I was a husband (
baal) them,' declares the LORD."
Isaiah 54:5 For thy Maker is thy husband (
baal), the LORD of hosts is His name; and the Holy One of Israel is thy Redeemer, the God of the whole earth shall He be called.
Actually the Hebrew here is plural "Your
Makers is your
Husbands
Nahum 1:2 ¶ The LORD is a jealous and avenging God, the LORD avengeth and is full (
baal i.e. lord) of wrath; the LORD taketh vengeance on His adversaries, and He reserveth wrath for His enemies.
Strongs 01166 ba`al baw-al'
a primitive root; TWOT - 262; v
AV - marry 8, husband 3, dominion 2, wife 1, married wife 1, Beulah 1; 16
1) to marry, rule over, possess, own
1a) (Qal)
1a1) to marry, be lord (husband) over
1a2) to rule over
1b) (Niphal) to be married
The so-called "lying scribes."
(KJV)
Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We are wise, and the law of the LORD is with us? Lo, certainly in vain made he it; the pen of the scribes (
saphar) is in vain.
(JPS)
Jer 8:8 How do ye say: 'We are wise, and the Law of the LORD is with us'? Lo, certainly in vain hath wrought the vain pen of the scribes.
According to the Jewish Publication Society (JPS), you know those people who
actually speak, read, and write Hebrew, the verse does not say "
lying scribes" or "
lying pens" This is a favorite verse of all the cults, so they can twist any verse in the scriptures to say anything they want. "
Lying scribes! Lying scribes! Dont believe what the scriptures say, come over here and drink this koolaid."
The Jews claimed to be wise merely because YHWH had given them, and not any other people, the law
but it was in
vain because the wise men
rejected the word of the LORD and therefore have no wisdom.
(JPS)
Jer 8:9 The wise men (
chakam) are ashamed, they are dismayed and taken; lo, they have rejected the word of the LORD; and what wisdom is in them?
The scribes and the wise men are two different groups. Scribes are
never referred to as wise men (
chakam)
! If the scribes wrote lies, the wise men would have been right to reject it and YHWH would have rewarded them instead of punishing them, vs. 10. If the scribes wrote lies, how would the prophets and priests know they were dealing falsely
?
(JPS)
Jer 8:10 Therefore will I give their wives unto others, and their fields to them that shall possess them; for from the least even unto the greatest every one is greedy for gain, from the prophet (
nabiy') even unto the priest (
kohen) every one dealeth falsely.
How can the prophet and the priest
not deal falsely, if all they have are so-called "lying words" of the scribes
? According to sacred name nonsense YHWH punishes the entire nation of Israel because the scribes
supposedly lied.
Below more sources which prove Wannabe's sacred name cult garbage for what it is.
"
THE ORIGINAL LANGUAGE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT WAS GREEK"
An entire book, a documented study, written by someone who rescued himself and his family from a sacred name cult.
http://www.sacrednamemovement.com/NTisGreekContents.htm
Restoration of the Sacred Name. But which one
? All of these names are used by sacred name groups, each one of them claiming their pronunciation is the
only correct one. They cannot all be right but according to Wannabe, and other sacred namers, if you say it wrong you are calling on a pagan deity and it doesnt matter what you believe in your heart. If you do not say the name exactly right YHWH is going to zap you.
RESTORATION OF THE SACRED NAME
YHVH YHWH Yahweh Yahveh Yaveh Yaweh Jehova Jehovah Jahova Jahovah Yahova Yahovah Jahowa Jahowah Yahavah Jahavah Yahowe Yahoweh Jahaveh Jahaweh Yahaveh Yahaweh Jahuweh Yahuweh Jahuwah Yahuwah Yahuah Yah Jah Yahu Yahoo Jahu Yahvah Jahvah Jahve Jahveh Yahve Yahwe Yawhu Iahu Iahou Iahoo Iahueh
Jeshua, Yeshua, Yeshuah, Yehshua, Yehshuah, Yeshouah, Y'shua, Y'shuah, Jeshu, Yeshu, Yehoshua, Yehoshuah, YHVHShua, YHVHShuah, Yhvhshua, Yhwhshua, YHWHShua, YHWHShuah, Yhvhshuah, Yhwhshuah, Yahvehshua, Yahwehshua, Yahvehshuah, Yahwehshuah, Yawhushua,Yahawshua, Jahshua, Jahshuah, Jahshuwah, Jahoshua, Jahoshuah, Jashua, Jashuah, Jehoshua, Jehoshuah, Yashua, Yashuah, Yahshua, Yahshuah, Yahushua, Yahushuah, Yahuahshua, Yahuahshuah, Yahoshua, Yahoshuah, Yaohushua, YAOHUSHUA, Yaohushuah, Iahoshua, Iahoshuah, Iahushua, Iahushuah
http://www.revelations.org.za/NotesS-Name.htm
2. God Is At Least Two
Elohim and YHVH Applied to Two Personalities.
As if to even make the case for plurality stronger, there are situations in the Hebrew Scriptures where the term Elohim is applied to two personalities in the same verse. One example is:
Psalm 45:7-8: "Thy throne, which is of God, shall stand for ever and ever: The sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: Therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."
It should be noted that the first Elohim is being addressed and the second Elohim is the God of the first Elohim. And so God's God has anointed Him with the oil of gladness.
A second example is:
Hosea 1:7 "But I will have mercy upon the house of Judah, and will save them by Jehovah their God, and will not save them by bow, nor by sword, nor by battle, by horses nor by horsemen."
The speaker is Elohim who says He will have mercy on the house of Judah and will save them by the instrumentality of Jehovah, their Elohim. So Elohim number one will save Israel by means of Elohim number two.
Not only is Elohim applied to two personalities in the same verse, but so is the very name of God. One example is:
Genesis 19:24 "Then Jehovah rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from Jehovah out of heaven."
Clearly we have Jehovah number one raining fire and brimstone from a second Jehovah who is in heaven, the first one being on earth. A second example is:
Zechariah 2:8-9 "For thus saith Jehovah of Hosts; for your glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you; for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. For, behold, I will shake my hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that Jehovah of hosts hath sent me."
Again we have one Jehovah sending another Jehovah to perform a specific task. The author of the Zohar sensed plurality in the Tetragrammaton ("Personal Name of God of Israel," written in Hebrew Bible with the four consonants YHWH. Pronunciation of name has been avoided since at least 3rd c. B.C.E.; initial substitute was 'Adonai' ('the Lord'), itself later replaced by 'ha-Shem' ('the Name'). The name Jehovah is a hybrid misreading of the original Hebrew letters with the vowels of 'Adonai.' Encyclopedia Dictionary of Judaica Page 593) and wrote:
"Come and see the mystery of the word YHVH: there are three steps, each existing by itself: nevertheless they are One, and so united that one cannot be separated from the other. The Ancient Holy One is revealed with three heads, which are united into one, and that head is three exalted. The Ancient One is described as being three: because the other lights emanating from him are included in the three. But how can three names be one? Are they really one because we call them one? How three can be one can only be known through the revelation of the Holy Spirit." (Zohar, Vol. III, pg 288, Vol. II, pg. 43)
http://www.familybiblestudy.net/b2_s10_c2.htm
This book, below, makes a scholarly inquiry into the subject of the so-called "sacred names," and uncovers the truth of the matter. Among other things, it shows that scholars from one generation to the next have been in disagreement regarding the proper pronunciation of the tetragrammaton (at one time, the accepted pronunciation was "ya-hoo"), and that, historically, the evil Jews has invoked the tetragrammaton when attempting to cast spells and curses. The book discusses at length the concept of name, showing that name is synonymous with the terms identity, reputation, character, authority, etc, and has relatively little to do with pronunciation.
"Sadly, arguments presented to encourage use of the sacred names typically are flawed, on several grounds.
First. The arguments almost always demonstrate failure to comprehend the basic concept of name.
Second. The arguments usually indicate confusion regarding the matters of translation and transliteration.
Third. The arguments often reveal fundamental misunderstanding concerning the identity of the God of Israel.
Fourth. The arguments indicate naivete with respect to the consequences of pursuing association and familiarity with the Hebrew language and the Hebrew Scriptures-entities from which the early Church by the providence of God was segregated, and of which she was rendered independent."
Concerning the Sacred Names, Russell L. Harris
http://www.broadcaster.org/books/book-01p.pdf
Note, the problem with strange codes appearing in posts, apparently results when copying material from some web sites. Evidently the html codes are hidden within the file and do not appear even in this forums edit mode. To correct this, I saved my post as a text file, which eliminates everything but the basic text, then opened it as a WP doc before reposting.
BTW the Greek word
bibloV/
Biblos simply means
book or scroll!