Why are you changing the subject?
How important is it to you?
Its not a subject change... it simply puts the nails into the coffin of your argument against my view... which is clearly why you won't answer, and continue to dodge, the question..
Mark 13:34 KJV: For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
I don't have an argument.
Christ said his journey would be long.
The writer of Hebrews said it was VERY short:You say it was very short.
You just don't have any witnesses for anything nor have you witnessed anything.
Yet in every parable of the "long Journey and return" He returns within the lifetimes of, and directly to the Same people alive when He left... Not some other people 20 centuries removed... That's strictly a later invention of men, found nowhere in scripture.
The writer of Hebrews said it was VERY short:
Hebrews 10:37
Matthew Says it was short:
Matthew 3:7
Mark Says it was short:
Mark 1:15
Luke Says it was Short:
Luke 21:22
Paul says it was Short:
Romans 16:20
Peter Says it was Short:
1 Peter 4:7
James Said it was short:
James 5:8
John Says it was Short:
Revelation 1:1-3
Rather, I have Apostolic EyeWitness account of the First century arrival of the Tribulation and Day of the Lord, Apostolic eyewitness testimony which you choose to reject.
Revelation 1:9-10
I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day, and I heard behind me a loud voice, as of a trumpet,
There are over 100 NT passages admonishing fist century Christians to be ready for His coming as it was to be soon, was at hand, about to take place etc... I'd say anything taught in scripture over 100 times is pretty important, wouldn't you?
Can you name any other Biblical doctrine explicitly taught in over 100 separate and distinct passages?
I can't.
Jesus and the Apostles clearly thought it was of the utmost importance.
I think it wise to find important what THEY found important... don't you?
Correct. Not to us, but to them.
And no, Christ did not return in thier lifetimes as you claim. If he had, they would have told us.
Like I said. You provide no witnesses because there were none.
Correct. Not to us, but to them.
He had to have, or He and the Apostles are all false prophets.
You preach apostolic error, and a savior that issues empty threats. I reject the notion, as should every honest Bible expositor.
Who is it you are working for when you preach the belief that the apostles were WRONG, and Jesus LIED??
Rather, John Witnessed it and told His flocks it was happening before their eyes.
But again, you preach John was WRONG!
Talk about deceitful!
Correct. Not to us, but to them.
He had to have, or He and the Apostles are all false prophets.
You preach apostolic error, and a savior that issues empty threats. I reject the notion, as should every honest Bible expositor.
Who is it you are working for when you preach the belief that the apostles were WRONG, and Jesus LIED??
Rather, John Witnessed it and told His flocks it was happening before their eyes.
But again, you preach John was WRONG!
Talk about deceitful!
So either Rome was the recepiant, or one other plausible nation.Matthew 21:33-45
33 “Hear another parable: There was a certain landowner who planted a vineyard and set a hedge around it, dug a winepress in it and built a tower. And he leased it to vinedressers and went into a far country. 34 Now when vintage-time drew near, he sent his servants to the vinedressers, that they might receive its fruit. 35 And the vinedressers took his servants, beat one, killed one, and stoned another. 36 Again he sent other servants, more than the first, and they did likewise to them. 37 Then last of all he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’ 38 But when the vinedressers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir. Come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’ 39 So they took him and cast him out of the vineyard and killed him.
40 “Therefore, when the Lord of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vinedressers?”
41 They said to Him, “He will destroy those wicked men miserably, and lease his vineyard to other vinedressers who will render to him the fruits in their seasons.”
42 Jesus said to them, “Have you never read in the Scriptures:
‘The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone.
This was the Lord’s doing,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?
43 “Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it. 44 And whoever falls on this stone will be broken; but on whomever it falls, it will grind him to powder.”
45 Now when the chief priests and Pharisees heard His parables, they understood that He was speaking of them.
This passage is universally understood by all Honest Bible expositors to have been fulfilled in the 1st century.
Even the Chief Priests and Pharisees UNDERSTOOD He was speaking about what was to befall THEM back THEN, via "The coming of the Lord of the Vineyard"
Odd how some here still Don't.
You say christ returned before Peter died which was in 64-66 ce and if he didn't you accuse Jesus and the apostles of being false prophets.
So exactly what was the date you say christ came before peter died?
The promise was always to the seed of Abraham.
So either Rome was the recepiant, or one other plausible nation.
Matthew 16:27-28
For the Son of Man will come in His Father’s glory with His angels, and then He will repay each one according to what he has done.
Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”
Correct. Not to us, but to them.
He had to have, or He and the Apostles are all false prophets.
You preach apostolic error, and a savior that issues empty threats. I reject the notion, as should every honest Bible expositor.
Who is it you are working for when you preach the belief that the apostles were WRONG, and Jesus LIED??
Rather, John Witnessed it and told His flocks it was happening before their eyes.
But again, you preach John was WRONG!
Talk about deceitful!
Posts #481 and #482 where he falsely accuses Keras and timtofly of teaching the apostles were wrong when it's parousia70 who's claiming they were wrong by claiming they believed the return of Christ was so near it was in their life time. Yet we read Paul stating very clearly that His return will not come until there first comes the apostasy and the man of sin will be revealed, etc - which clearly shows Paul not expecting the Lord's return before the very signs he himself gave us.
Do you stand by your word that Jesus is a false prophet if he didn't do exactly what you claim he did?
I don't think I put it quite like that!(just a little heads up, Keras, in other threads, has stated the apostles were wrong in regards to their time statements).