Thank You To Ex-President Trump

[mark46]

In a major rally last night, Trump asks everyone to take the vaccine. After receiving some muttering (boos?) from the crowd, he doubled down saying that he had received the shot (pointing to his arm) and he would tell them if there is any problem with the vaccine.

 

[pescador]

In a major rally last night, Trump asks everyone to take the vaccine. After receiving some muttering (boos?) from the crowd, he doubled down saying that he had received the shot (pointing to his arm) and he would tell them if there is any problem with the vaccine.

"A day late and a dollar short". Why didn't trump ask people to vaccinated at the beginning of the virus outbreak and throughout?

 

[Nithavela]

"A day late and a dollar short". Why didn't trump ask people to vaccinated at the beginning of the virus outbreak and throughout?

You mean before there was a vaccine?

If Trump has been consistent about anything besides him being the best thing since sliced bread, it's that people should take the vaccine.

 

[MorkandMindy]

On the plus side Pres Trump didn't start any major wars, true he was somewhat undiplomatic on many occasions, but no new wars (read my lips).

He guessed wrong on COVID, would have been OK on that if he had avoided giving so many opinions on so many things, but he wasn't evil like the one he ran against, and that's why he got the job.

Looking to the future, the results of years of neoliberalism have so destroyed the nation that we need to become a lot more like the rest of the world and become far less destructive of others and ourselves

 

[ArmenianJohn]

On the plus side Pres Trump didn't start any major wars, true he was somewhat undiplomatic on many occasions, but no new wars (read my lips).

Trump continued to pay ISIS, Al Qaeda, and Turkey to commit genocide against the Syrian people including millions of Christians. It would have been better if he DID start a new war, one against ISIS and Al Qaeda, at least.

 

[pescador]

On the plus side Pres Trump didn't start any major wars, true he was somewhat undiplomatic on many occasions, but no new wars (read my lips).

He guessed wrong on COVID, would have been OK on that if he had avoided giving so many opinions on so many things, but he wasn't evil like the one he ran against, and that's why he got the job.

Looking to the future, the results of years of neoliberalism have so destroyed the nation that we need to become a lot more like the rest of the world and become far less destructive of others and ourselves

Trump was responsible for many military actions during his presidency. He didn't start WWIII, but he did cozy up to those who might start another major war: Russia and North Korea.

He knew COVID-19 was a deadly virus. Listen to the interview that he gave to Bob Woodward. BTW, that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton, whom he illegally defeated. "Russia, if you're listening..."

"Looking to the future, the results of years of neoliberalism have so destroyed the nation that we need to become a lot more like the rest of the world and become far less destructive of others and ourselves". Where do you suggest we start? Russia, China, N Korea, Afghanistan, other terrorist-led states?

How do you define the "neoliberalism" that you claim has "so destroyed the nation"? Should we start with the open, free, and fair elections that is the right of all the people?

 

[mark46]

"A day late and a dollar short". Why didn't trump ask people to vaccinated at the beginning of the virus outbreak and throughout?

Perhaps Trump didn't ask people to be vaccinated "at the beginning of the virus outbreak" because the vaccine wasn't available for the first since it wasn't available for the first year of the outbreak or until after the election.

Yes, should have focused on promoted the vaccine this year, after it was available. Obviously, he had other priorities that were much more important to him.

But let's be clear. Trump hasn't been president. The Republican leaders and FOX are much more to blame than Trump for the low vaccination rates.

And, yes, Biden could have done more. He could ordered the mandate for federal workers and the military many months ago. And yes, months ago Biden could have promoted (NOT mandated) the use of a vaccine passport or app as has been done in NYC. Finally, there could have been a much better effort from the start in major cities, especially among minorities (their numbers are still low).

Make no mistake, Biden will be judged on his handling of COVID. As of now, less than 50% of independents approve of his handling of the crisis (53% or so overall). Folks rightly give credit to Trump for speeding up the development of vaccines. And they properly greatly dislike his other rhetoric and actions before there was a vaccine.

 

[Nithavela]

On the plus side Pres Trump didn't start any major wars, true he was somewhat undiplomatic on many occasions, but no new wars (read my lips).

He guessed wrong on COVID, would have been OK on that if he had avoided giving so many opinions on so many things, but he wasn't evil like the one he ran against, and that's why he got the job.

Looking to the future, the results of years of neoliberalism have so destroyed the nation that we need to become a lot more like the rest of the world and become far less destructive of others and ourselves

He may not have started a war, but he sure tried.

Assassination of Qasem Soleimani - Wikipedia

 

[Bobber]

"A day late and a dollar short". Why didn't trump ask people to vaccinated at the beginning of the virus outbreak and throughout?

Come off it! I remember him distinctly being mad and expressing it that the drug companies were holding back the vaccines until after Nov 3. What does that tell you? He wanted the vaccine out tand distributed before the election if possible. One would have to be pretty disingenuous to claim he didn't.

 

[mark46]

GRADES

Trump's actions regarding the virus while president. F

Trump's actions regarding vaccines. A

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Trump had lots of chance to lead on this issue. Other than the vaccine, he failed at every opportunity. Basically, he handed over all responsibilities to the states. Kushner and the Committee advised that N95 masks be produced and sent out to every citizen in the US. Trump considered this and then rejected the idea (he wanted to leave the Democratic states on their own).

Biden has been much different. HOWEVER, he too is leaving too much to the states. He has failed to lead in mandates (he was a late follower). Also, he failed to give the country an app or a vax ID card. And yes, he could have given out federal incentives directly to local entities fighting their states months ago. Many are doing a good job, and should have gotten more help.

And what about masks? Yes, the masks that greatly helped against COVID19 are of some help against the much more powerful variant, but not really very effective. Why isn't this made clear? Why isn't federal government recommending huge production and availability of N95 masks. They aren't even promoting their use. Certainly, at least some parts of the country and some occupations/situations are going to need EFFECTIVE masks for many months.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Come off it! I remember him distinctly being mad and expressing it that the drug companies were holding back the vaccines until after Nov 3. What does that tell you? He wanted the vaccine out tand distributed before the election if possible. One would have to be pretty disingenuous to claim he didn't.

He did, of course, and when it didn't happen he had no use for the vaccine politically so he didn't promote it, He went out of his way to ignore the vaccinations, in fact. He screwed it up bigly.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

GRADES

Trump's actions regarding the virus while president. F

Trump's actions regarding vaccines. A

More like a C- regarding vaccines...

Thanking him for anything he just did recently is like thanking the person who burglarized your home for only taking 90% of your valuables and leaving you 10% of them.

 

[Nithavela]

In a major rally last night, Trump asks everyone to take the vaccine. After receiving some muttering (boos?) from the crowd, he doubled down saying that he had received the shot (pointing to his arm) and he would tell them if there is any problem with the vaccine.

I think the proper term is "former president", with ex-president being a president who was kicked out of office?

 

[ranunculus]

If Trump has been consistent about anything besides him being the best thing since sliced bread, it's that people should take the vaccine.

If only he had been as vocal about taking the vaccine as he has been about how the election was stolen from him.

 

[pescador]

Come off it! I remember him distinctly being mad and expressing it that the drug companies were holding back the vaccines until after Nov 3. What does that tell you? He wanted the vaccine out tand distributed before the election if possible. One would have to be pretty disingenuous to claim he didn't.

You wrote, "I remember him distinctly being mad and expressing it that the drug companies were holding back the vaccines until after Nov 3." When and where and to whom did trump say this? Was he really implying that the drug manufacturers were holding back the COVID-19 vaccines until after the election to insure his defeat? One would have to be pretty disingenuous to claim he didn't.

 

[mark46]

I think the proper term is "former president", with ex-president being a president who was kicked out of office?

The proper title is "President". Jimmy Carter is "President Carter" and will always be so. Given the political implications of Trump's title, and the obvious implication that he is still president, I didn't use the proper term.

If "ex-president" has negative implications because he is the only president in US history to be impeached twice, then I have used the term that I wanted to use.

 

[mark46]

If only he had been as vocal about taking the vaccine as he has been about how the election was stolen from him.

Agreed. But that isn't Trump. He doesn't care about helping people and certainly not Biden. But we need to be clear.

Trump wanted the vaccine before the election.

The vaccine became available in December.

Biden was inaugurated in January.

Since Inauguration Day, there has been absolutely no question. Biden is responsible for vaccinations (or lack thereof), for re-opening the country, and for everything to do with the vaccine and its consequences.

This is all on his watch. Biden was elected to take care of the COVID crisis. He was given the tools of the vaccine, the availability of effective masks, and the availability of a powerful and effective treatment. Unless Trump himself is running, Biden will have no one to compare with. The COVID crisis is for him to deal with. AND, as of now, barely 50% of Americans think that he is doing a good job in dealing with COVID.

 

[Estrid]

"A day late and a dollar short". Why didn't trump ask people to vaccinated at the beginning of the virus outbreak and throughout?

Wasn't he talking warp speed to get the vaccine going?

There's enough about T- man to criticize without inventing
new ones.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Agreed. But that isn't Trump. He doesn't care about helping people and certainly not Biden. But we need to be clear.

Trump wanted the vaccine before the election.

The vaccine became available in December.

Biden was inaugurated in January.

Since Inauguration Day, there has been absolutely no question. Biden is responsible for vaccinations (or lack thereof), for re-opening the county, and for everything to do with the vaccine and its consequences.

This is all on his watch. Biden was elected to take care of the COVID crisis. He was given the tools or the vaccine, the availability of effective masks, and the availability of a powerful and effective treatment. Unless Trump himself is running, Biden will have no one to compare with. The COVID crisis is for him to deal with. AND, as of now, barely 50% of Americans think that he is doing a good job in dealing with COVID.

So if it's all on Biden's watch and has nothing to do with Trump then what are you thanking Trump for?

Unless Trump himself is running, Biden will have no one to compare with. The COVID crisis is for him to deal with. So what are you thanking Trump for, exactly? He's not even in the picture.

 

[Strathos]

Good for him. I'm definitely not going to refuse to give credit where credit is due.