Trump Could Be Doomed If Convicted - A Trial Occur in Time?

[sprknjc]

An interesting read from the last couple of weeks ANALYSIS: Polls Show Trump Could Be Doomed If He’s Convicted. Will a Trial Happen in Time?

Some summary (both from article and my insights): They express concern if Trump is convicted he could lose 1/3 of support. Article position is other trials not as much concern, as the January 6, 2021 insurrection trial which I generally agree with. With the January 6 trial, first questions to answer is will the insurrection clause of 14th amendment prevent Trump being on state ballots which the Supreme Court currently reviewing, and then they to consider the presidential immunity question, similar to diplomats intentionally murdering others which not 100% immunity from that. If then when that trial goes to court in DC, I understand why Trump did to prevent problematic Biden from getting into office, and he said to the crowd we will march down to the Capitol peacefully. Reality is the insurrection resulted in five deaths, more injuries and some serious, and property damage, which Trump failing his Constitutional Oath of Office not stopping the riot from progressing that afternoon, similar analogy to fire crew and chief showing up to a fire an apartment building and choose do nothing and let people die and the building burn to the ground, which is not right in the eyes of God. Also at last check 749 people convicted, many with jail and prison time. This builds the prosecutors case, plus a jury which will be hard to balance politically, 90%+ within the city voted for Hillary and Biden. The next thing is different scenarios if this happens by March 5 when least several state primaries which also depends if Trump or Haley is ahead at that point, the mid July Republican convention, and the November election. If after the mid-July convention, a real Constitutional mess if Trump is selected and then convicted.

 

[Petros2015]

They express concern if Trump is convicted he could lose 1/3 of support.

I doubt that 1 in 3 current Trump supporters care whether a court convicts him on anything enough to withdraw their vote/support.
Possibly(?) more like 1 in 10, but I doubt it.
Maybe 1 in 3 (supporters and detractors) will foam at the mouth a little more, but that's not the same as losing support.
Also, not looking great as to the conviction (if any) coming before presidential campaign.
The only way he gets "doomed" is if 1 in 3 states take him completely off the ballot at their own discretion, and I don't see that happening.

 

[sprknjc]

Hope Trump learned from the sexual assault trial not to storm out of the court room like he did in the sexual assault trial. The jury did not look favorably on that.

 

[Veloman]

I certainly hope he makes a wise VP choice should he win the GOP nomination. I have a feeling that if Trump were to win the general election, that his opposition will do all they can to imprison him.

 

[Fantine]

Let's talk about personal responsibility. This is not due to a witch hunt or political persecution.
If convicted, it will be the natural consequences of 91 felonies, determined by a jury of his peers based on evidence.
Similarly if he owes $83 million to a woman he molested, defamed, and double downed and defamed again...
If his corporation owes New York $350 million and can no longer do business in NY it is due to years of tax fraud.
Having paid taxes in NY until I was 40, I was one of those defrauded.
The opposition is not doing all it can to imprison him. He was indicted by four separate grand juries not "the opposition."
The FBI chief who raided Mar a Lago was a Trump appointee.
You are referring to "justice."

 

[Pommer]

Article position is other trials not as much concern, as the January 6, 2021 insurrection trial which I generally agree with. With the January 6 trial, first questions to answer is will the insurrection clause of 14th amendment prevent Trump being on state ballots which the Supreme Court currently reviewing, and then they to consider the presidential immunity question, similar to diplomats intentionally murdering others which not 100% immunity from that.

I saw that an amicus brief was sent to SCOTUS relied more on the “fake-electors scheme” than anything to do with the ”events” of January 6th, with regard to §3 of the 14th Amendment.

 

[crixus]

Hope Trump learned from the sexual assault trial not to storm out of the court room like he did in the sexual assault trial. The jury did not look favorably on that.

Trump learn? I highly doubt he'll change. Dramatic stunts are another part of his tired act. It's all about ego (hey, look at me) with him.

 

[Ragdoll]

An interesting read from the last couple of weeks ANALYSIS: Polls Show Trump Could Be Doomed If He’s Convicted. Will a Trial Happen in Time?

Some summary (both from article and my insights): They express concern if Trump is convicted he could lose 1/3 of support. Article position is other trials not as much concern, as the January 6, 2021 insurrection trial which I generally agree with. With the January 6 trial, first questions to answer is will the insurrection clause of 14th amendment prevent Trump being on state ballots which the Supreme Court currently reviewing, and then they to consider the presidential immunity question, similar to diplomats intentionally murdering others which not 100% immunity from that. If then when that trial goes to court in DC, I understand why Trump did to prevent problematic Biden from getting into office, and he said to the crowd we will march down to the Capitol peacefully. Reality is the insurrection resulted in five deaths, more injuries and some serious, and property damage, which Trump failing his Constitutional Oath of Office not stopping the riot from progressing that afternoon, similar analogy to fire crew and chief showing up to a fire an apartment building and choose do nothing and let people die and the building burn to the ground, which is not right in the eyes of God. Also at last check 749 people convicted, many with jail and prison time. This builds the prosecutors case, plus a jury which will be hard to balance politically, 90%+ within the city voted for Hillary and Biden. The next thing is different scenarios if this happens by March 5 when least several state primaries which also depends if Trump or Haley is ahead at that point, the mid July Republican convention, and the November election. If after the mid-July convention, a real Constitutional mess if Trump is selected and then convicted.

Anyone who loses interest in Trump after being put on trial by the mob who had a guilty verdict long before the trial began, is not paying attention to the real issues of the nation. I will be voting for Trump even if convicted. For I know full well who is running this clown show and why this is not a fair trial. Its election interference. Biden wants to arrest his political opponent and throw him in prison just like they do in all socialist countries. Consider that before you cower to the socialist agenda. Not many of us are gonna cower.

 

[Ragdoll]

Let's talk about personal responsibility. This is not due to a witch hunt or political persecution.
If convicted, it will be the natural consequences of 91 felonies, determined by a jury of his peers based on evidence.
Similarly if he owes $83 million to a woman he molested, defamed, and double downed and defamed again...
If his corporation owes New York $350 million and can no longer do business in NY it is due to years of tax fraud.
Having paid taxes in NY until I was 40, I was one of those defrauded.
The opposition is not doing all it can to imprison him. He was indicted by four separate grand juries not "the opposition."
The FBI chief who raided Mar a Lago was a Trump appointee.
You are referring to "justice."

All lies. But the jury is hand picked by the Democrats from an all Democrat city. So they can accuse Trump of anything and the jury is gonna buy it. Just think for a moment, if they can frame a man like Donald Trump for false charges and arrange a fake trial and pick an all anti-Trump jury, just think what they can do to little you! Trump is not the one being put on trial. Its us on trial. Its America. They have wanted to hang Trump since the day he got elected. All those fake Russian collusion tales and none of it was true. But did you learn anything from all those lies spread by the Democrats? If you think you are not misled, then please tell me how it was that Russia got me and other people to vote Trump in 2016? Oh, nevermind, I know you cannot supply a real answer. No Democrat ever does. Yet you still cheer on the demise of our country.

 

[A2SG]

All lies.

No, they're not. You do not seem to understand what's going on out here, in reality.

But the jury is hand picked by the Democrats from an all Democrat city.

Nope. First, juries are selected by BOTH legal teams. Look up the term voie dire sometime. I can guarantee you, both Trump's attorneys and Jean Carroll's attorneys chose the jury. Second, New York is far from "all" Democrat. It's about as diverse a city as a city can get.

So they can accuse Trump of anything and the jury is gonna buy it.

Well, it did help that Trump continued to defame Ms Carroll right there in front of them.

Just think for a moment, if they can frame a man like Donald Trump for false charges

The charges were not false. Even after he was found liable for sexual assault and defamation, he continued to defame her while the second trial was happening!

Kind of hard to frame someone for doing something while they're actually doing it.

and arrange a fake trial and pick an all anti-Trump jury,

Again, false. Voie Dire. Seriously, look it up.

just think what they can do to little you!

No one's doing anything to Fantine.

Trump is not the one being put on trial. Its us on trial. Its America.

Nope. America didn't defame E. Jean Carroll. Trump did that. All by himself.

They have wanted to hang Trump since the day he got elected.

Who, exactly, are "they"? E. Jean Carroll was the only plaintiff here.

All those fake Russian collusion tales and none of it was true.

Um, the Mueller Report says otherwise. There definitely was interference in the 2016 election coming from Russia, and people from Trump's campaign team did meet with Russian officials. The report did say there wasn't sufficient evidence to charge Trump, specifically, of collusion, especially considering collusion "is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."

So, not a fake. Just not enough evidence to charge Trump personally.

But did you learn anything from all those lies spread by the Democrats?

What lies? Please, be specific. Oh, and it would be nice if you could document the falsehoods, so we can be sure they are in fact lies.

If you think you are not misled, then please tell me how it was that Russia got me and other people to vote Trump in 2016?

You weren't responsible for your own actions back then? Seriously, if you don't know why you voted for Trump, how can we be expected to know? Your guess is as good as ours.

Oh, nevermind, I know you cannot supply a real answer. No Democrat ever does.

Hey, we're trying. We've done our part, but it's up to you to actually listen to what we're really saying, instead of listening to stuff Trump and others make up about us.

Yet you still cheer on the demise of our country.

The US is still standing, and it doesn't look like it's going anywhere any time soon.

With or without Trump.

-- A2SG, though it doesn't look like he's gonna help it much...

 

[sprknjc]

Trump had a personal choice and decision only he could in his God given heart make as Commander in Chief and upholding his Oarh of Office to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States that afternoon of January 6, 2021. He did not do so timely, and regardless of court outcome, if he has any Moral Compass, he will have to live with his conscience that loss of life and those lives changed on his right put into jail and prison. As in my OP, it only makes common isense he ends up being convicted in that case.

The rest of the cases, recently and while in office, I more agree were imitated by his opponents for political purposes. The $83 million awarded in a sexual assault case from the last century, come on. Yes, punishment for him storming out of the courtroom, tens of millions is absurdly crazy. The cases about election interference in GA (Trump asked but not bribed), and the classified documents which every President has done at least accidentally to a lesser or greater extent are quite questionable.

Common sense is that cannot take yet another four yesrs of this legal drama and political infighting and not getting things done for the people. As IMO and others a better alternative, maybe some others too can contact FL Governor DeSantis office by email Email the Governor to gently encourage him to resurrect his suspended campaign (I am only one already have). He is strong willed to fight evils, as in immigration working with both sides of the aisle, supports building the border wall, also to reduce/stop indoctrination of children working with the legislature, and other good accomplishments for the people of FL as several Right good friends there have shared with me. He endorsed the good in Trump he done for the people as President before 2021, am sure not the bad personality issues. DeSantis clearly has more connection to God DeSantis Speaks With EWTN About Power of Prayer, Family as ‘Centerpiece’ of American Life , though none of us are perfect.

We need as a nation to put Trump's situations to prayer and see what God says.

 

[JustOneWay]

I can tell you are severely misinformed so I will tell you straight up what is going to happen if Trump is not our next President. First of all, the Democrats will have the power they desire over everyone

Like now?

. They will push every policy they want unchecked and unchallenged.

It is not happening now, and won't happen when Biden gets four more years.

They will arrest people like for on charges for Jan.6 when I was in Wisconsin at work the whole day.

What? This makes no sense.

But none of that matters when there is no more law or order.

We have law and order now.

Just like they framed Trump they can do that so much easier to little people like you and me.

Yes, if people break the law they are arrested.

The country will economically collapse and it won't take much time after Democrats get their victory.

Dems are in charge now and the economy is soaring!

Their entire agenda is to destroy this country which is very obvious to us more informed folks.

I see little information coming from people like you.

Ultimately, there will be another civil war in which conservatives will win and take back the country and banning all Democrat thought forever. That is how this all ends.

Sounds like a fantasy like winning the lottery.

If Trump wins, socialism is forever banned.

Getting rid of the military structure, social security and privatization of all American roads? LOL

The economy is saved and nobody will miss brutal socialism.

The economy is already saved.

Life will return to normal and people will find out all it takes to get rich is to work a job....any job.

Republicans want to hold wages down.

For we will be living in a 1970s economy but making the wages we earn today.

There was a gas crisis in the 70's. Were you around to witness it?

All Trump has to do is cut all wasteful spending, take us out of the Paris Climate Accord, stop money from going to Iran etc., etc., and our lives return to normal, happy and prosperous, American dream.

Another conservative fantasy?

Now for a clear thinking person this is a very easy choice. I mean, who wants to vote for a civil war they can't win?

The only people talking about civil war are Trump supporters. The rest of us see the stunt as a cry for help. Biden can make it better for you

Not many.
Who wants to live in a booming economy? Everybody!!

The economy is booming now.

 

[JustOneWay]

We need as a nation to put Trump's situations to prayer and see what God says.

God has spoken. He placed Joe Biden in charge and directed man to punish Trump for his crimes on the country.

 

[A2SG]

Ok there. If its not all lies then socialism but be holy. Look. Trump represents Americans. Socialism represents Democrats. That is the reality. With that said, nothing you can say to me here is gonna change my mind.

What does socialism have to do with Trump's legal issues?

Nope. Jury is picked by Dems in an all Democrat state.

Wrong on both counts. One, the jury is picked by both sides (see voie dire), and two, NY is not an "all Democrat" state.

Defame? Boy can I sue people for saying bad things about me or calling me names?

Sure, if it meets the legal standard of defamation.

No I can't.

You may want to check with a lawyer first. They'd know what the legal standard of defamation is, even if you do not.

Ms.Carroll is a fake. Her testimony is based on made up stories.

Two different juries heard her story, and believed her. The second one, in fact, heard Trump defame her directly, in court.

The motive is to keep Trump from running so they can forced socialism. Wise up bud.

Suing Trump for defamation won't prevent him from running. No one thinks it will.

And socialism still has nothing to do with anything here. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Who is she that she can sue over name calling?

A person he defamed. And he kept on defaming her, not only after he was found liable for defaming her, but while he was being tried for defaming her!!

None of us can sue for that. Sounds like more lies to me.

Anyone can sue for defamation. Whether or not you can prove defamation is a different matter, though.

I don't why I even reply sometimes. People in this country are either leftists or conservatives.

There's middle ground. It can be hard to hear them over the noise, but they are there.

Don't need to. Documents made up by Democrats.

Uh, no. Voie dire is a specific legal term, and it's been around for a while. Pretty much as long as we've had a legal system.

That after years of lies about Russian collusion? Yeah, I'm not fooled by this at all.

What lies? I assume you have evidence to back up your assertion?

Sounds like more made up lies to justify our corrupt justice system.

Nope. The jury decided Trump defamed Jean Carroll. The second jury actually heard him doing it.

We've seen many of these cases in the past and all of them were framed by Democrats to destroy another politician.

Give me an example.

You do know that report was found to be false, right? How did Russia get us people to vote Trump? Can you answer that one?

Who found the report to be false? When did they do that? Show me, please.

Enough fabircated evidence to keep this circus going.

What specific evidence was fabricated?

What documents are you looking for, the ones fabricated by Democrats?

You're the one claiming the documents are fabricated, which documents are you talking about? What evidence do you have they were fabricated?

I know why I voted Trump.

Then why did you ask me to tell you why you voted for him? How am I supposed to know?

I know why many others voted Trump. I have yet to meet a single conservative who did not make a conscience vote. Nobody I know was swayed into voting Trump because of Russia. And if you want to entertain this lie of Russian collusion then why not add France or Britain to the charge? For those countries wanted Hillary to win. So if you want to accuse Russia for colluding just because they would rather see Trump win over Hillary, then why not France or Britain accused for colluding for Hillary as well? Be consistent.

I didn't file the report, so don't complain to me. Talk to the one who made it, if you have problems with it.

I can tell you are severely misinformed so I will tell you straight up what is going to happen if Trump is not our next President. First of all, the Democrats will have the power they desire over everyone. They will push every policy they want unchecked and unchallenged. They will arrest people like for on charges for Jan.6 when I was in Wisconsin at work the whole day. But none of that matters when there is no more law or order. Just like they framed Trump they can do that so much easier to little people like you and me. The country will economically collapse and it won't take much time after Democrats get their victory. Their entire agenda is to destroy this country which is very obvious to us more informed folks. Ultimately, there will be another civil war in which conservatives will win and take back the country and banning all Democrat thought forever. That is how this all ends.
If Trump wins, socialism is forever banned. The economy is saved and nobody will miss brutal socialism. Life will return to normal and people will find out all it takes to get rich is to work a job....any job. For we will be living in a 1970s economy but making the wages we earn today. All Trump has to do is cut all wasteful spending, take us out of the Paris Climate Accord, stop money from going to Iran etc., etc., and our lives return to normal, happy and prosperous, American dream.

Hey, you're free to believe whatever you wish, whether it has any relation to reality or not.

Now for a clear thinking person this is a very easy choice. I mean, who wants to vote for a civil war they can't win? Not many.
Who wants to live in a booming economy? Everybody!!

The economy is doing better now than when Trump left office, so...

-- A2SG, not that that's the only reason not to vote for him....

 

[Ragdoll]

Like now?

Dems have a ton of power right now but they are still challenged in the courts. They have lost every gun battle last year and continue to lose this year so far. But if Biden wins that will all end and the Demcorats will have power over everyone's lives.

It is not happening now, and won't happen when Biden gets four more years.

Because if Biden wins that also means Democrats will also win the majority of seats. This means unchecked power.

What? This makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense when you have so many Dems on MSN telling us conservatives that after Biden wins the next election we conservatives will be purged for what we all did on Jan.6. I'm still wondering how the capital building can hold every conservative in the nation??

We have law and order now.

Yes, if people break the law they are arrested.

Breaking the law is as simple as not conforming to woke culture.

Dems are in charge now and the economy is soaring!

You must be a very wealthy person to say that. The rest of us cannot afford to buy groceries and we work for a living. You won't find many working class people willing to vote for 4 more years of this hell. But you haven't noticed it because you are that wealthy where you are getting all the breaks that Biden gave for you. Yes, the wealthy are doing very well under Biden. Unfortunately the rest of us are not.

I see little information coming from people like you.

This requires wisdom over information. Anyone who has insight can see what is happening to our country and know that the Democrats are destroying the country on purpose. I remember back in 2016 while trolling Hillary's page on facebook how I noticed her main trolls defending her positions that lost the election for her. I profiled one of her main trolls and the first post I see on this woman's status is this short little sentence: "America must fall!" So every once and a while you can see how the trolls of these Democrats who promote them openly call for America's destruction. They hate this country to begin with and have all kinds of excuses as to why this country is so bad.

Sounds like a fantasy like winning the lottery.

A fantasy? A civil war? This has nothing in common with a lottery ticket. This is where we're headed as a nation. How long do you think conservatives are gonna take this abuse from these radicals in the White House before all hell breaks loose? Think..

Getting rid of the military structure, social security and privatization of all American roads? LOL

We've had military and roads long long before Marx. Social Security is not a socialist policy that we recognize as socialist today. Whatever you think is socialism in the past is not what is strongly contested today. Socialism is mass extermination of half of the population. History demonstrates that this happens in all socialist countries. Socialism has failed. So why would we want to live in a socialist country? A civil war will break out over this. Is socialism worth all that to you? Are you ready to fight and die for socialism? Stop and think....its healthy.

The economy is already saved.

What? That is definitely not the concensus of the working class. But I suppose you mock them just like all other Democrats mock the working class. Yeah, listening to their mocking the working class makes me want to vote for them

Republicans want to hold wages down.

Who told you that? I went from poverty to middle class almost overnight because of Trump's economy. The economy is doing real good for the wealthy. Biden created many government jobs for the wealthy class. But he did not do anything for the working class! We are spending more on the cost of living than we make. Where is your conscience at? Do you even care that everyone is going broke?

There was a gas crisis in the 70's. Were you around to witness it?

No I wasn't around to witness that. But the cost of living was much better back in the 70s than it is today. Now if Trump had his 2nd term like he should have, we'd already be living in a 1960s economy making the same wages we earn today. But Biden has done much to destroy our country so, in my opinion, I think the best Trump will be able to do is bring our country back to the economy of the 1970s. But I could be wrong. Trump has surprised even us most loyal supporters many times.

Another conservative fantasy?

How do you think Trump saved our economy during his 1st term? Oh, nevermind. You're very wealthy so you don't notice these things.

The only people talking about civil war are Trump supporters. The rest of us see the stunt as a cry for help. Biden can make it better for you

Nope. The left has already initiated war. They brag about war and how they think they can beat us. But in reality they will lose very badly. Biden can make nothing better for anybody. He can't even take care of himself.

The economy is booming now.

Delusional.

 

[sprknjc]

God has spoken. He placed Joe Biden in charge and directed man to punish Trump for his crimes on the country.

God is expected to speak again in this election season, Romans 13:1

 

[JustOneWay]

No I wasn't around to witness that. But the cost of living was much better back in the 70s than it is today. Now if Trump had his 2nd term like he should have, we'd already be living in a 1960s economy making the same wages we earn today. But Biden has done much to destroy our country so, in my opinion, I think the best Trump will be able to do is bring our country back to the economy of the 1970s. But I could be wrong. Trump has surprised even us most loyal supporters many times.

Inflation in the 70's was terrible.

I understand the reason you swoon over Trump, but as far as I can tell you really do not have a firm grasp on the reality of today. Enjoy your time here at CF.

 

[JustOneWay]

God is expected to speak again in this election season, Romans 13:1

God spoke the other day when God allowed man to determine Trump has no immunity from his criminal activity.

 

[Ragdoll]

What does socialism have to do with Trump's legal issues?

Think...

Wrong on both counts. One, the jury is picked by both sides (see voie dire), and two, NY is not an "all Democrat" state.

There are very very few conservatives living in New York. The chances of a jury having any conservatives at all is very slim considering the mathematical odds.

Sure, if it meets the legal standard of defamation.

Not true. I know a great deal about defamation suits and they are the hardest law suits to win! We little folk do not have the power to arrest people based on their political beliefs and then accuse them of defamation to get them thrown into prison. Sorry but we cannot sue over defamation. That's the hardest law suit to win besides trying to prove, in a court of law, that your employer discriminated against you.

You may want to check with a lawyer first. They'd know what the legal standard of defamation is, even if you do not.

I know a great deal about defamation cases. The average person cannot win a defamation case. This is all a circus put on by the Democrats.

Two different juries heard her story, and believed her. The second one, in fact, heard Trump defame her directly, in court.

Both juries hand picked bu the Democrats. This case is not blind justice.

Suing Trump for defamation won't prevent him from running. No one thinks it will.

Maybe not,. But it will drain him of money based on false allegations. Again, the little man cannot sue and win a defamation case.

And socialism still has nothing to do with anything here. Why do you keep bringing it up?

Open your eyes a little

A person he defamed. And he kept on defaming her, not only after he was found liable for defaming her, but while he was being tried for defaming her!!

And you are willfully gullible enough to believe that.

Anyone can sue for defamation. Whether or not you can prove defamation is a different matter, though.

Not true. A law suit over defamation is only something the wealthy can do. There are certain conditions you need to meet to win a defamation suit. There is no way the little man can win such a law suit. The little man does not have the resources to prove s/he was defamed, as defamation tends to be hashed by those who do the defaming.

Nope. The jury decided Trump defamed Jean Carroll. The second jury actually heard him doing it.

An all Democrat jury that suffered with Trump Derangement Disorder.

The economy is doing better now than when Trump left office, so...

Is this what you keep telling yourself?

 

[GreatLakes4Ever]

God is expected to speak again in this election season, Romans 13:1

So much for thinking humans have free will.