Sabbath Obligation?

[klutedavid]

True, we're not required to rest, but it's good for us to do so. Resting on the Sabbath is more effective than on any other day. And getting much needed rest does wonders for one spiritually.

We gather to celebrate the risen Christ and to remember what He did for us. We worship and praise Jesus and break the bread on that day.

If you want to lay around all day and rest from work, then find another day to do that on. Christians gather to worship and not to rest.

 

[eleos1954]

Jesus kept the Sabbath because it was still in effect until He was crucified and risen.

please reference bible verses say that is the case?

 

[BlessedCreator]

No I am not wrong.

The will of God is to believe in Jesus Christ and that is the life that I live. The blood of bulls cannot save anyone. The law is weak and useless for salvation and for seeking righteousness.

Hebrews 7:18
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness.

Let's take a close look at your next quotation.You threw six hundred laws from Moses into the bin and ignored the law of Moses. That is despising the law of Moses and you have condemned yourself.

Were not under the law of Moses or the 10 commandments given to Moses either just as scripture says. Were under grace. Grace means simply the favor of God.

Without obedience to Him you do not have His favor.

Faith means to have trust and confidence in God. To be able to trust in God you have to have a good conscience toward God (1 Peter 3:21) If you want to have a good conscience toward God you have to obey Him.

 

[Aussie Pete]

God never said that. All throughout the Bible, God wanted His people to repent and to return to obedience to His law, so it would be absurd to think that He holds those who do that in contempt by viewing our actions as filthy rags. In Isaiah 64:6, it is not God speaking, but rather it is the people complaining about God not coming down and making His presence known. The reality is that the righteous deeds of the saints are like fine white linen (Revelation 19:8).

Nothing absurd about the truth.

No I am not wrong.

The will of God is to believe in Jesus Christ and that is the life that I live. The blood of bulls cannot save anyone. The law is weak and useless for salvation and for seeking righteousness.

Hebrews 7:18
For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness.

Let's take a close look at your next quotation.You threw six hundred laws from Moses into the bin and ignored the law of Moses. That is despising the law of Moses and you have condemned yourself.

You cannot pick and choose which laws to obey. Yet you cannot obey all 613 laws because the temple does not exist. If you break one law, you break them all. You condemn yourself. Romans 3:19-21

"19Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. 20Therefore no one will be justified in His sight by works of the Law. For the Law merely brings awareness of sin. 21But now, apart from the law, the righteousness of God has been revealed, as attested by the Law and the Prophets.…"

 

[OldWiseGuy]

We gather to celebrate the risen Christ and to remember what He did for us. We worship and praise Jesus and break the bread on that day.

If you want to lay around all day and rest from work, then find another day to do that on. Christians gather to worship and not to rest.

Christians gather on Sunday. Saturday is the Sabbath. A great day to get needed rest (so you're wide awake for church on Sunday). The Sabbath day is unique in that it is "holy time", to be "remembered" and "kept holy" by us. How we keep it is up to us. For me personally the best use of that time is for rest. God hallowed, and rested on, that day and so do I.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You must practice the new moon day as a day of rest. Then you count six more days and you have the Sabbath day. Always six days of work and a day of rest.

Exodus was written under the format of a lunar calendar.

You are more than likely using a papal calendar. A solar calendar has extra days and a continuous cycles of weeks.
Passover is celebrated by a lunar reckoning and not by a papal calendar. That says it all as far as I am concerned.

There is only one "seventh day" today. It's called Saturday in the West.

 

[Soyeong]

It is God's will that you repent and believe in Jesus Christ. That is what the law and the prophets are all really about. The arrival of the messiah. Obeying the law in part or fully, will not ever meet God's perfect requirement for immortality.Christ was the one who achieved perfect legal obedience, perfect righteousness. That is the righteousness that we receive as a gift from God Himself.

Surely you will not arrive at the wedding wearing your own wedding clothes? Stained with your own failure to meet the law in full and perfect obedience. Tell me your not going to do that.

The white linen is the righteousness of Christ that we wear.

Romans 4:6
Just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works.

Romans 4:13
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 5:17
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

In Acts 2:38, when Peter told his audience to repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of sins, the Mosaic Law was how they knew what sin is. Repentance doesn't change the fact that we have already failed to have perfect obedience, so the fact that repentance has value disproves our need for perfect obedience. The law leads us to Christ because everything in it teaches us about who he is, how to walk as he walked, and how to grow in a relationship with Him.

Righteousness is a character trait of God that is expressed by doing what is righteous and God's law is His instructions for how to express that character trait, not for how to earn it. When we have a character trait, then we will express it through our actions, so when God declares us to be righteous by grace through faith, He is also declaring us to be someone who expresses His righteousness through our actions in obedience to His instructions for how to do that found in His law. In other words, the reason why we have received the righteousness of God was not in order to hide it under a bushel, but in order to let it shine through our obedience.

 

[TzephanYahu]

The word is clear we do not have to keep the Sabbath. That is not to say you cant because it is implied that that is allowed, if you want to.

So, if that was the case, why would you not eant to observe it?

If knowing observing it pleases Him and you can freely join in this celebration with the angels (according to the book of jubilees), what work or purchase would come before that to you, that couldn't be done another day?

Or to put it another way, if the Messiah was physically present with His disciples around you, would you keep it then or would you say "sorry, i need to buy or sell this today and I need to do these chores".

Just some food for thought. If you don't want to celebrate it or it would seem like hassle to you, then don't. The Sabbath should be enjoyed and appreciated with joy rather than approached with a reluvtant heart (not saying that's you btw).

Love & Shalom

 

[TzephanYahu]

You must practice the new moon day as a day of rest. Then you count six more days and you have the Sabbath day. Always six days of work and a day of rest

That's for you but not for me (after studying the matter out).

The moon AND the sun were given as signs of times. The sun for the days of the week to orchestrate our Sabbaths by and the Moon for the months and Feasts.

So our friday evening to saturday evening is the Sabbath. For more supportive evidence, check how the day has been memorialised in many languages across the world here: Names for Saturday in Many Languages Prove Which Day Is the True Sabbath

I know the lunar calendar can appear as the best way to observe the Sabbath initially - good arguments have been made. But it just doesn't measure out in the long run to a consistent six days work and one day rest. That cycle eventually changes when patterning it on the New moon.

Love & Shalom

 

[BlessedCreator]

So, if that was the case, why would you not eant to observe it?

If knowing observing it pleases Him and you can freely join in this celebration with the angels (according to the book of jubilees), what work or purchase would come before that to you, that couldn't be done another day?

Or to put it another way, if the Messiah was physically present with His disciples around you, would you keep it then or would you say "sorry, i need to buy or sell this today and I need to do these chores".

Just some food for thought. If you don't want to celebrate it or it would seem like hassle to you, then don't. The Sabbath should be enjoyed and appreciated with joy rather than approached with a reluvtant heart (not saying that's you btw).

Love & Shalom

I don't observe the weekly Sabbath because 1) it's not required 2) I already spend all my time devoted to God already. I don't need to follow the rules of the Jewish Sabbath to honor God. God knows I love Him and spend all my free time devoted to Him. He doesn't care if I keep the Sabbath or not, as His word tells us. I honor Him much more than only 1 day a week. If I were to keep the Sabbath strictly as did the Jews, it would be a hindrance to the ministry and good works God has set for me to do.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I don't observe the weekly Sabbath because 1) it's not required 2) I already spend all my time devoted to God already. I don't need to follow the rules of the Jewish Sabbath to honor God. God knows I love Him and spend all my free time devoted to Him. He doesn't care if I keep the Sabbath or not, as His word tells us. I honor Him much more than only 1 day a week. If I were to keep the Sabbath strictly as did the Jews, it would be a hindrance to the ministry and good works God has set for me to do.

I serve God all seven days; six days of serving others, one day of resting the ox.

 

[HARK!]

We did indeed enter that eternal rest with Christ.

Can you prove this with scripture?

The Levite priesthood was a shadow of Christ's High Priesthood in the eternal realms.

The Levite priesthood will be operating in the Kingdom to come.

The food laws were a shadow of the approaching bread from heaven.

Can you prove this with scripture?

The moral law restrained people until the law of Christ liberated people into the true freedom of love, written on our hearts.

That's the LAW! He writes the LAW on our hearts. This is at the heart of the renewed covenant.

The Old Testament, the prophecies, the law, has all been fulfilled in Christ. We are not under the law now for we are under grace.

Now it's our turn:

(CLV) Ro 8:3
For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, -sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

Flesh: OC
Spirit: NC

 

[klutedavid]

Hebrews 10:26-29 KJB
"26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?"

This verse Hebrews 10:26 is talking about the regenerated Christian who has apostasized from the faith (walking in obedience unto God).

Apostasy defined by the Marriam Webster Dictionary:

"1: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
2: abandonment of a previous loyalty :"

That is not to say that willful sin is okay, because it is not at all. Do not tempt the Lord.

Please read chapter ten of Hebrews again and again. Until you understand what the author of Hebrews is talking about.

That verse Hebrews 10:26 has an entirely different meaning, if you lift that verse out of the embedded context of chapter ten.

 

[klutedavid]

Flesh: OC
Spirit: NC

That is the shortest summary of the O.T and the N.T, that I have ever seen.

 

[klutedavid]

Can you prove this with scripture?

Yes I can illustrate from the scripture that we are indeed citizens of the new creation.

Colossians 1:13
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

Ephesians 2:6
and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus.

Why are you opposed to the declaration of the apostle Paul that we are a new creation in Christ. That we are no longer citizens of this world but are seated in the heavenly realms.

The Levite priesthood will be operating in the Kingdom to come.

That is not true.

Revelation 1:6
And made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion, forever and ever. Amen.

We are all priests now.

Your not seeing the clear distinction between the earthly shadow of Mt Sinai and the clarity of Mt Zion.

That's the LAW! He writes the LAW on our hearts. This is at the heart of the renewed covenant.

The text states, 'New Covenant', not a renewed covenant.

God writes love into our hearts, God does not write, 'do not covet your neighbors oxen', on our hearts.

The same lack of clarity in your replies.

Your choice of Bible translation gives the game away.

(CLV) Ro 8:3
For what was impossible to the law, in which it was infirm through the flesh, did God, -sending His own Son in the likeness of sin's flesh and concerning sin, He condemns sin in the flesh,

The law cannot save or sanctify and that is very clear.

(CLV) Ro 8:4
that the just requirement of the law may be fulfilled in us, who are not walking in accord with flesh, but in accord with spirit.

If you try to obey the law, then you are walking according to the flesh. Christ fulfills the requirements of the law in us, through His sacrifice for us.

Hebrews 10:14
For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified.

Did you see the word, 'perfected', in the verse above?

 

[BlessedCreator]

This verse Hebrews 10:26 is talking about the regenerated Christian who has apostasized from the faith (walking in obedience unto God).

Apostasy defined by the Marriam Webster Dictionary:

"1: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
2: abandonment of a previous loyalty :"

That is not to say that willful sin is okay, because it is not at all. Do not tempt the Lord.

 

[TzephanYahu]

I don't observe the weekly Sabbath because 1) it's not required 2) I already spend all my time devoted to God already. I don't need to follow the rules of the Jewish Sabbath to honor God. God knows I love Him and spend all my free time devoted to Him. He doesn't care if I keep the Sabbath or not, as His word tells us. I honor Him much more than only 1 day a week. If I were to keep the Sabbath strictly as did the Jews, it would be a hindrance to the ministry and good works God has set for me to do.

Shalom friend,

So you say you don't observe it because "(1) it's not required"...

If you want to do only what is required of you, that's a shame. Does an employee ever get rewarded or promoted for just doung what is required? Or, to put it another way, if we are willing to die for Him shouldn't we be even more eager to live for Him?

Consider your heart on this attitude of just doing what is required and the parable of the talents. I don't mean to be rude, ao don't misread my heart, but it's an attitude you should be watchful over.

Besides, it certainly reads as if it is required to walk in truth and righteousness, according to the whole Word.

You second poi t was that you already devote every day to Gid. My friend, with all due respect, so what. Do you think you live your life to Him with more dedication than Moses, Aaron, David, Daniel or Messiah? And they all observed the Sabbath. Are you implying your working week is full of Hod more than these?

You call it the "Jewish Sabbath". Incorrect. The Sabbath existed before the Jews and all of Israel (not just the Jews) observed it. It's an ordained yime of the Father, not of the Jews. And, if you would be graftef into true Israel (that is, the believers in Messiah even from gentile origin) a little respect for the house we're joining seems more than appropriate and scriptural.

If you don't want to observe the Sabbath, then don't. But it's a shame you're missing out on it as it is a gift. I study His Word and praise Him every day, and almost every waking thought is on Him, His Word, His ways or His creation. But Sabbath is a day where He instucts me "stop, just rest today" - who am I to argue? And why would I when it's commanded rest!

I'm more than happy to work my week around His day (HIS, not a Jewish day). It's not too much to ask of me. And though salvation doesn't depend on it, I'll still observe it with gladness and eagerness - not dragging my feet saying "do I HAVE to do this?"

With this in mind, imagine you were having a Birthday Party and invited your son and they responded "is it required for me to attend to remain your son?"

You reply "if course, I love you anyway, but I'd love you to"

Your son jumps back "good! If it is not required, then I won't! I talk you every day anyway. Anyway, I love you, see you later"

My friend, I realise you probably won't respond favourably to the Sabbath based on my post. I hope you don't misunderstand my reason for writing to you - which is concern and help, not criticism and judgement. I used to not observe it either. And ecen if you don't, you are probably still a better person than I. But even a fool like me can see just how important the Sabbath is to our Father in His Word.


Love & Shalom

 

[klutedavid]

This verse Hebrews 10:26 is talking about the regenerated Christian who has apostasized from the faith (walking in obedience unto God).

Apostasy defined by the Marriam Webster Dictionary:

"1: an act of refusing to continue to follow, obey, or recognize a religious faith
2: abandonment of a previous loyalty :"

That is not to say that willful sin is okay, because it is not at all. Do not tempt the Lord.

No it's not because every Christian on earth commits willful sin!

The author of Hebrews is stating that falling away from Jesus and returning to the law is that willful sin.

Hebrews 10:29
How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Your quoting Hebrews 10:26 out of the context of what the author is saying.

So in effect your actually saying, that a Christian has not been sanctified by the blood of the covenant. Because if a Christian commits a willful sin, then that sanctification is lost.

That is what you are teaching; any Christian is one willful sin away from damnation. That is not what chapter ten is saying.

 

[BlessedCreator]

No it's not because every Christian on earth commits willful sin!

The author of Hebrews is stating that falling away from Jesus and returning to the law is that willful sin.

Hebrews 10:29
How much severer punishment do you think he will deserve who has trampled under foot the Son of God, and has regarded as unclean the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Your quoting Hebrews 10:26 out of the context of what the author is saying.

So in effect your actually saying, that a Christian has not been sanctified by the blood of the covenant. Because if a Christian commits a willful sin, then that sanctification is lost.

That is what you are teaching; any Christian is one willful sin away from damnation. That is not what chapter ten is saying.

No I am not. Did you even read my post. Willful sin should not happen but there is mercy with God. That doesnt mean we are allowed to abuse His grace.

Are trying to teach we can abuse God's grace?