Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

[Hentenza]

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

And yet a new covenant is upon us so the Lord did not change His mind but instituted a new and better way.

Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

But you miss Heb.4:5 where the writer of Hebrews says “And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. “ My rest is Jesus rest NOT the Jewish sabbath. So everything after that is talking about Jesus rest.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.

Sunday is the Lords rest. Every single appearance by Christ after the resurrection was on the first day NOT the 7th day. In fact it is TODAY when we can worship the lord not just on Saturday or even Sunday.

Let’s go into the future and see what the Lord expects in the future concerning his Sabbaths. Let turn to Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

And this again was meant for Israel and NOT for the Christian church.

56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

And this again was meant for Israel and NOT for the Christian church.

Now, we in the future in Jesus kingdom, what we call the millennium period where Christ will reign for a thousands years, this is that day of rest and it represent a Sabbath day. Let’s take a look in Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The rest of the dead? Really? This is your sabbath rest? There absolutely nothing here about the sabbath. I challenge you to find a verse that shows observant to the Jewish sabbath before Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.

 

[Aaron112]

And yet you cant post a verse prior to Moses that shows anyone keeping the Jewish sabbath.

Genesis 1 - 3 is good enough. Perfect. Light . Want to argue/debate? Listen to YHVH.

Fear no evil ?
Rather , do not fear man who can kill the body but cannot do more -
fear YHVH who can destroy both body and soul.

 

[Aaron112]

there’s no middle ground in the case, either you follow God (Jesus) or Satan. It’s written in Revelation 12: 9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Once a person realize they have been deceive that’s when the true change can come in.

Yes, the whole world is deceived. Posters, readers, members, priests, pastors, teachers, kings (that commit <spiritual> fornication routinely), students, children, teens...... many may be called as written; likewise as written few are chosen (for eternal life). Even forums and churches are not neutral nor safe ground, no one to trust!

 

[Hentenza]

Genesis 1 - 3 is good enough. Perfect. Light . Want to argue/debate? Listen to YHVH.

Is not good enough. That merely claims that God proclaimed it but not that He required it. No one between genesis and exodus kept the Jewish Sabbath because there was no mosaic law until Moses.

Fear no evil ?
Rather , do not fear man who can kill the body but cannot do more -
fear YHVH who can destroy both body and soul.

Irrelevant and unresponsive.

 

[Hentenza]

Paul explains in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

There is no Jewish law during Abraham. The only law that God gave Abraham is that of circumcision. Abraham did not keep thevJewidh sabbath. In fact, no one kept the Jewish sabbath until Moses received the commandments is stone tablets. If you have a verse thst proves that the people before Moses kept the sabbath I sure would like to see it.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

This is nonesense. Did you notice what Paul says about the law bring a curse? It is Jesus bring hung in a tree that he vompsres it to. Jesus died in the cross (a tree). Abraham was saved APART from his works

“For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.” Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,”
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Romans 4:4-5 Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteous | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Now to the one who works, the wages are not credited as a favor, but as what is due. But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteous

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Nothing here about Abraham keeping some invisible law that was not given until 430 years later.

Now pay attention,

You pay attention.

the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created

The 10 commandments were given to Israel at SanaI NOT before. If you have a verse that shows that the Jewish law including the 10 commandments were given before then I would love to see it.

. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

God doesn’t say that but you interpretation does. Big difference. The Jewish law includes all 613 laws including the Ten Commandments.

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

“For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.”
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Romans 4:14-15 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation. | New American Standard Bible - NASB (NASB2020) | D

For if those who are of the Law are heirs, then faith is made void and the promise is nullified; for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, there also is no violation.

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Learn what Jesus sacrifice actually means.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

Paul does not say what you interpret him to say, Paul states 5 chapters later:

“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, so that the requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.”
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Romans 8:2-4 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th | New American Standard Bible - NASB

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in th

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Is Paul bi polar? Is he defending the law in one place and then calling it weak and not effective in another? As I state before your interpretation adds quite a bit of tension to scripture that does not need to be there which means that your interpretation has severe problems.

I asked you before to provide verses that proves that the Sabbath was kept before Moses and a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment. I am surprised that after wasting so many words here you have not produced either one of the verses. You are condemning all Christians that do not worship on Saturday so it should be simple for you to provide the verses since they are of such importance.

 

[Aaron112]

YHVH Created the Sabbath. YHVH rested on the Sabbath not because He was ever tired , no, but in His Perfect Wisdom and Infinite Knowledge of everything including what humans think and do all the time.

“For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”

Kicking against the pricks is not helpful - arguing against God, arguing against Shabbat, is harmful and sinful, not helpful.

As written, Shabbat, seventh day shabbat, is from the beginning. God-made. God's idea. God's Instruction.

He watches to see who opposes Him.

for example: Genesis 1 and 2 - The Sabbath — Chalmers Presbyterian Church
"
So Israel was to keep the Sabbath because God made heaven and earth in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Although, Israel were already aware of the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. In Exodus 16, a few chapters earlier, while Israel was in the wilderness, God provided bread (or manna) from heaven.

God provided it every day except on the Sabbath. And because it wasn’t around on the Sabbath, on the day before the Sabbath they were to collect twice as much as usual. So here we see God’s people keeping the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. And the reason they kept the Sabbath before they received the Law is because the Sabbath has a stronger connection to creation than to the Law given through Moses."

 

[Aaron112]

Salvation for foreigners:
"Salvation for Foreigners

1This is what the LORD says:

“Maintain justice and do what is right,

for My salvation is coming soon,

and My righteousness will be revealed.

2Blessed is the man who does this,

and the son of man who holds it fast,

who keeps the Sabbath without profaning it

and keeps his hand from doing any evil.”

3Let no foreigner who has joined himself to the LORD say,

“The LORD will utterly exclude me from His people.”

And let the eunuch not say,

“I am but a dry tree.”

4For this is what the LORD says:

“To the eunuchs who keep My Sabbaths,

who choose what pleases Me

and hold fast to My covenant—

5I will give them, in My house and within My walls,

a memorial and a name

better than that of sons and daughters.

I will give them an everlasting name

that will not be cut off.

6And the foreigners who join themselves to the LORD

to minister to Him,

to love the name of the LORD,

and to be His servants—

all who keep the Sabbath without profaning it

and who hold fast to My covenant—

7I will bring them to My holy mountain

and make them joyful in My house of prayer."

 

[DamianWarS]

So when you sin, you transgress the law, what law? The Commandments brother and Sisters. And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it. Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1: 6,8,9)

You've added a non-scriptural nuance by turning "commandments" into a proper noun. Your point is clear that you're trying to isolate the 10 commandments from everything else but you've fail to add your scripture support this this highlight interpretive reasoning.

take a study of 1 Cor 7:19 for example to understand what the use of "commandments" can mean

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Paul intends the same meaning in all these examples. It is not in addition to, but there is only 1 thing that counts in all these verses. that one thing can be summed up by God's commandments but the context is not the 10 it is within the boundaries new covenant teaching and understanding, which is a focus of the new creation over the old.

there is a strong narrative, especially in Johannine texts (like John 15:12), of love of God demonstrated through love of others. Injecting the 10 commandments because the word "commandments" is used alone is irresponsible and sloppy. do you have anything else to go on by to support this 10 commandments link to 2 John 1:6 which seems to be the hinge of your argument?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You've added a non-scriptural nuance by turning "commandments" into a proper noun. Your point is clear that you're trying to isolate the 10 commandments from everything else but you've fail to add your scripture support this this highlight interpretive reasoning.

take a study of 1 Cor 7:19 for example to understand what the use of "commandments" can mean

1 Cor 7:19
Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commands is what counts.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Paul intends the same meaning in all these examples. It is not in addition to, but there is only 1 thing that counts in all these verses. that one thing can be summed up by God's commandments but the context is not the 10 it is within the boundaries new covenant teaching and understanding, which is a focus of the new creation over the old.

there is a strong narrative, especially in Johannine texts (like John 15:12), of love of God demonstrated through love of others. Injecting the 10 commandments because the word "commandments" is used alone is irresponsible and sloppy. do you have anything else to go on by to support this 10 commandments link to 2 John 1:6 which seems to be the hinge of your argument?

Something that is interchangeable means it works backwards and forwards- not I pick the definition I seem to agree with and voids out the other.

For example, God said the seventh day and the Sabbath day are interchangeable.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It keeps all things intact, not destroys which one we don't agree with. Its actually explains what one does seem to agree with, what it really means, the Bible's definition, not ours.


You are taking two things from Galatians and applying to Corinthians. That's fine, but lets keeps in mind Jesus who is God kept intact the definition of God's commandments quoting from the same unit of Ten. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Paul is not above Jesus to change a jot or tittle that Jesus said He would not.

But lets see if Paul is working against what God defined or in harmony.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Does faith void the law and redefine it., Not according to Paul's plain words.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Does love void the law?

Not according to Jesus.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. Same thing He said in the Ten Commandments Exo20:6

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Is becoming a new creation mean leaving your old life of sin and walking in Christ or does it mean we are worshipping others gods, and stealing from our neighbor and breaking God's commandments which is sin 1 John3:4

Lets see what Paul says

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

So someone who has faith though love and walks in newness of life is keeping God's commandments- which is just that commandments, means its not a suggestion. His version because He is God and we are not. Its what love and faith is all about, putting what God said above our own wants, will and desires because we love Him and He loves us and this faith is what makes us a new creation in Christ and reconciles us back to God Rev22:14

 

[SabbathBlessings]

YHVH Created the Sabbath. YHVH rested on the Sabbath not because He was ever tired , no, but in His Perfect Wisdom and Infinite Knowledge of everything including what humans think and do all the time.

Kicking against the pricks is not helpful - arguing against God, arguing against Shabbat, is harmful and sinful, not helpful.

As written, Shabbat, seventh day shabbat, is from the beginning. God-made. God's idea. God's Instruction.

He watches to see who opposes Him.

for example: Genesis 1 and 2 - The Sabbath — Chalmers Presbyterian Church
"
So Israel was to keep the Sabbath because God made heaven and earth in six days and then rested on the seventh day. Although, Israel were already aware of the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. In Exodus 16, a few chapters earlier, while Israel was in the wilderness, God provided bread (or manna) from heaven.

God provided it every day except on the Sabbath. And because it wasn’t around on the Sabbath, on the day before the Sabbath they were to collect twice as much as usual. So here we see God’s people keeping the Sabbath before they received the Ten Commandments. And the reason they kept the Sabbath before they received the Law is because the Sabbath has a stronger connection to creation than to the Law given through Moses."

The churches who teach the masses against God's commandments is not going to go unpunished by God. Like Jesus said both who teach and follow this teaching leads to a ditch Mat15:3-14 Its sad when they know the Truth but than try to apply all the blessings God gave to the Sabbath, which God said is the seventh day Exo20:10 written by God, to a day God never sanctified, made holy or commanded. Its really deceitful and a counterfeit to what God said so plainly.