Do Your Actions Speaks Louder then your knowledge?

[DamianWarS]

Something that is interchangeable means it works backwards and forwards- not I pick the definition I seem to agree with and voids out the other.

For example, God said the seventh day and the Sabbath day are interchangeable.

Exo 20:11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

It keeps all things intact, not destroys which one we don't agree with. Its actually explains what one does seem to agree with, what it really means, the Bible's definition, not ours.


You are taking two things from Galatians and applying to Corinthians. That's fine, but lets keeps in mind Jesus who is God kept intact the definition of God's commandments quoting from the same unit of Ten. Mat 15:3-14 Mark7:7-13 Paul is not above Jesus to change a jot or tittle that Jesus said He would not.

But lets see if Paul is working in harmony or against what God of the universe defined.

Gal 5:6
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

Does faith void the law and redefine it., Not according to Paul's plain words.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Does love void the law?

Not according to Jesus.
John 14:15 If you love Me, keep My commandments. Same thing He said in the Ten Commandments Exo20:6

Gal 6:15
Neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything; what counts is the new creation.

Is becoming a new creation mean leaving your old life of sin and walking in Christ or does it mean we are worshipping others gods, and stealing from our neighbor and breaking God's commandments which is sin 1 John3:4

Lets see what Paul says

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

So someone who has faith though love and walks in newness of life is keeping God's commandments- which is just that commandments, means its not a suggestion. His version because He is God and we are not. Its what love and faith is all about, putting what God said above our own wants, will and desires because we love Him and He loves us and this faith is what makes us a new creation in Christ and reconciles us back to God Rev22:14

Your conflating, with no support. The translated word "commandment" does immediately envoke the 10 (even if you really really want it to) There needs to be more support than this. Support like what? Support like how 1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 shows "commandments" (at least as it applies to that context) is not a direct reference to the 10 but instead NT values consistent with new creation (as Gal 5:6 and 6:15 shows).

Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 speak of the exact same thing as 1 Cor 7:19, they are not different things or in addition to, they are exactly the same thing. They must all agree. Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 (and their contexts) can help to unpack the meaning of commandments in 1 Cor 7:19.

How it is used in 2 John may be different but regardless what you point to, support is still needed and we can't just say it is something without showing that connection. 100 verses that say "commandments" is not support, it just exposes the lack of support going back to the ten 100 times.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Your conflating, with no support. The translated word "commandment" does immediately envoke the 10 (even if you really really want it to) There needs to be more support than this. Support like what? Support like how 1 Cor 7:19, Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 shows "commandments" (at least as it applies to that context) is not a direct reference to the 10 but instead NT values consistent with new creation (as Gal 5:6 and 6:15 shows).

Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 speak of the exact same thing as 1 Cor 7:19, they are not different things or in addition to, they are exactly the same thing. They must all agree. Gal 5:6 and Gal 6:15 (and their contexts) can help to unpack the meaning of commandments in 1 Cor 7:19.

How it is used in 2 John may be different but regardless what you point to, support is still needed and we can't just say it is something without showing that connection. 100 verses that say "commandments" is not support, it just exposes the lack of support going back to the ten 100 times.

Actually its you are conflating with no support. You took three verses with separated meanings and reduced it to the ones you like and claim the one God defined no longer means what He said. And when Paul explains exactly what these other two things mean verbatim, you claim they don't really mean that.

 

[Hentenza]

It does make the distinction of two different rests not one, so we can agree on this. The Sabbath rest is according to the commandment Luke23:56. Christ rest is from rebellion and sin Mat11:28 Psa38:3 why those who enter into Christs rest ALSO means they are doing something in addition and it tells us verbatim what that is, they ALSO cease from their works as God did Heb4:10 on the seventh day Heb4:4 Exo20:11 Gen 2:1-3.

You have it backwards. The reason why humanity needed a savior was because of disobedience and sin. Those that enter Jesus rest enter because of obedience by having faith.

“For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:10-11 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same e | New American Standard Bible - N

For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same e

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“That rest” is Jesus rest NOT the sabbath rest. The contrast between the two proves this clearly.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You have it backwards. The reason why humanity needed a savior was because of disobedience and sin. Those that enter Jesus rest enter because of obedience by having faith.

“For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same example of disobedience.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭4‬:‭10‬-‭11‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Hebrews 4:10-11 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same e | New American Standard Bible - N

For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Therefore let’s make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will fall by following the same e

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“That rest” is Jesus rest NOT the sabbath rest. The contrast between the two proves this clearly.

Its faith we enter into His rest, which He gives us from our disobedience and sin if we have not hardened our hearts. Its not backwards. If our heart is harden to sin unbelief and rebellion, we do not hear His voice calling us. Heb3:7-19 Heb4:7 What the passage is about.

By faith we obey Him, not disobey. Luke6:46

 

[Hentenza]

Its faith we enter into His rest, which He gives us from our disobedience and sin if we have not hardened our hearts.

That’s the thing those in Christ enter into His rest by faith BECAUSE they don’t have a hardened heart. So, yes, you have it backwards.

It’s not backwards. If our heart is harden to sin unbelief and rebellion, we do not hear His voice calling us. Heb3:7-19 Heb4:7 What the passage is about.

By faith we obey Him, not disobey. Luke6:46

Exactly. By faith we enter Christ rest since the Sabbath is of the law and the law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12).

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That’s the thing those in Christ enter into His rest by faith BECAUSE they don’t have a hardened heart.

Exactly because they are keeping God's law, not rebelling Rom8:7-8

Exactly. By faith we enter Christ rest since the Sabbath is of the law and the law is not of faith (Gal. 3:12).

The law does not void the law, it establishes it Rom3:31 Why Jesus will say why do you call Me, Lord a Lord and not do what I say Luke6:46. Its why the deceitfulness of sin is so deceitful one can literally convince themselves they can disobey God's commandments and be in the faith, when in reality its sin rebellion and unbelief.

Anyway, its time for me to move on once again.

 

[DamianWarS]

...and claim the one God defined no longer means what He said...

Can you be more careful with your words. This is inflammatory plus unsubstantiated. If you have a point to make rather than accusing me of blasphemy, can you break it down and show me your support (this time without the insult)

 

[Hentenza]

Exactly because they are keeping God's law, not rebelling Rom8:7-8

The law does not void the law, it established it Rom3:31 Why Jesus will say why do you call Me, Lord a Lord and do what I say Luke6:46.

Jesus fulfilled (completed) ALL of the law. If He did not then we are still in our sins and His sacrifice was for nothing.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Can you be more careful with your words. This is inflammatory plus unsubstantiated. If you have a point to make rather than accusing me of blasphemy, can you break it down and show me your support (this time without the insult)

Are you not claiming that the Ten Commandments no longer means what God said they were but now mean something different according to how you are interpreting Paul? I am only repeating what you said.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Jesus fulfilled (completed) ALL of the law. If He did not then we are still in our sins and His sacrifice was for nothing.

He shows us the righteous way of keeping them. His sacrifice was not so we can continue in sin. If we do not change our ways and be converted in Christ living as He lived for our example, than His death is in vain for those. If He could have just removed the law, He had not to die. As long as there is sin in the world, there is God's law Rom4:15- Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 not save us in our sins. Continuing down that path there remains no more sacrifice Heb10:26-30

 

[Hentenza]

He shows us the righteous way of keeping them.

No. We are not under the law, period. The scriptures are very clear about that.

His sacrifice was not so we can continue in sin.

And yet all still sin including you and me.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all | New American Standard Bible - NAS

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all

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If we do not change our ways and be converted in Christ living as He lived for our example, than His death is in vain for those.

We do that through the process of sanctification not by following the law.

If He could have just removed the law, He had not to die.

He died the propitiation of our sins. Do you know what that means?

As long as there is sin in the world, there is God's law Rom4:15- Jesus came to save us from our sins Mat1:21 not save us in our sins. Continuing down that path there remains no more sacrifice Heb10:26-30

Nah. You need the gospel of good news instead of the bondage of the law. There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ,

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:1-3 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

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[SabbathBlessings]

No. We are not under the law, period. The scriptures are very clear about that.

According to Scripture whatever our view of 'not under the law' means- it doesn't mean sinning and breaking God's laws 1John3:4 James2:11

Rom 6:15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

As it clearly shows that those who break the law, those living in the flesh will not inherit the Kingdom of God.


Gal 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, 20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, 21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Paul clearly shows not under the law does not mean not keeping the law and those who practice these things will not inherit the Kingdom of God, just as Jesus said. Rev22:14-15 1John2:4 Mat7:23

And yet all still sin including you and me.

That's for God to decide

God said He has a people who overcomes as shown all throughout Revelation.

“If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬-‭10‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

1 John 1:8-10 If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all | New American Standard Bible - NAS

If we say that we have no sin, we are deceiving ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous, so that He will forgive us our sins and cleanse us from all

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Sinned, not continuing in sin. Through Christ, we can turn from sin and keep God's commandments if we are abiding in Him. John 15:5-10 John 14:15-18

We do that through the process of sanctification not by following the law.

Sin is breaking God's law, so no one is sanctified by continuing in the path without seeking His help in forsaking themPro28:13 (sanctification) breaking God's laws is sin and separates us from God. Isa 59:2 The Sabbath is a sign of God's sanctification, so not keeping it, is not the way back to cleansing and joining ourselves Him. Isa 56:6

He died the propitiation of our sins. Do you know what that means?

I do, but Jesus never died so we can worship another god, or steal from our neighbor. The sad thing is most people who promote lawlessness, never focus on the life Jesus lived, what He did, what He taught. They only focus on the Cross on what Jesus did for them. They don't try to change their ways, its a one-way relationship and no relationship can survive on a one-way relationship. Why Jesus used a lot "If's" in His teachings because not everyone who says Lord Lord shall enter into the Kingdom, but those who does His will. To claim the written and spoken Testimony of God that is in the Most Holy of His Temple is not His will sadly does not know Him 1John2:3-4

Nah. You need the gospel of good news instead of the bondage of the law.

Its the opposite, Sin is bondage, keeping God's law sets us free from sin, why its called the law of liberty James2:11-12

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ,

Amen! And God sorts out the wheat from the tares.

“Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭8‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬

Romans 8:1-3 Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c | New American Standard Bible - NASB

Therefore there is now no condemnation at all for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death. For what the Law c

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Heres a few more verses that gives clarification what 8-1 means

Rom 8:4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be [b]carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life (Mat19:17-19) and peace. (Isa 48:18 Psa119:165) 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Obviously from Paul's plain teaching under the law does not mean not keeping it, that makes one an enmity to God.