Preterism Debunked

[Grip Docility]

Scripture cannot debunk itself.

What are God's criteria for identifying His Own Israel?

It’s Gods criteria and it’s in Scripture.

As in ALL scripture.

He isn’t done with the “Enemies of the Gospel” yet... (Romans 11:27-36)



Supersession is an attempt to usurp a people’s promise that have gone through thousands of years of trials...

God ain’t done with them... yet... either...

 

[klutedavid]

Israel today from the "Jewish" community itself:

Abraham lineage

DNA Tests Could Fulfill God’s Promise to Abraham by Revealing Millions of Jews. But How Jewish is Jewish Enough?

Israel in all of Us? Research finds 'Jewish genes' in unusual places

Abraham's DNA is now found in every member of the human race.

How will God distinguish His Own Israel from among them?

As He always has -- by faith and obedience, as Paul declares.

God slew "purebred" Israelites by the thousands in the exodus when they disbelieved, disobeyed, and rebelled. His criteria then were the same as His criteria now.

Faith and obedience.

As the beloved hymn verbalizes, "Trust and Obey".

God never has and never will throw away that Israel. They are the Israel of God, His Church.

I don't think that the article says that Abraham's DNA, is found in everyone?

 

[Grip Docility]

I don't think that the article says that Abraham's DNA, is found in everyone?

That... and Abe wasn’t a “Jew”.

Jacob was the beginning of Israel...

Good old Supersessionalists like to complicate implicity...

All the best to you, friend and thank you for representing the tangent perspective so well!

 

[klutedavid]

That... and Abe wasn’t a “Jew”.

Jacob was the beginning of Israel...

I never said Abram was a Jew?

I know Jacob was Israel.

 

[Grip Docility]

I never said Abram was a Jew?

I know Jacob was Israel.

Indeed you didn’t...

I may have been covertly poking fun at... cough... cough... the first person you quoted...

 

[jgr]

It’s Gods criteria and it’s in Scripture.

You are correct.

Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 11, Galatians 3:28-29 et al.

 

[jgr]

I don't think that the article says that Abraham's DNA, is found in everyone?

The first article, which is over ten years old, acknowledged at that time an estimate of hundreds of millions with Abrahamic DNA. This was when genetic testing was in its infancy. The other articles essentially concur.

After 4000 years and 100 generations, global genetic dispersal is a virtual certainty.

 

[klutedavid]

The first article, which is over ten years old, acknowledged at that time an estimate of hundreds of millions with Abrahamic DNA. This was when genetic testing was in its infancy. The other articles essentially concur.

After 4000 years and 100 generations, global genetic dispersal is a virtual certainty.

Not sure that I would agree.

When Abraham walked on this earth there were other civilizations, Abraham came from Ur a city. Also millions of other people around the world that had no genetic link to his offspring. The article is stretching the credibility and reliability of DNA testing, beyond what can actually be known.

How would anyone know what DNA was authentic Jewish DNA?

 

[jgr]

Not sure that I would agree.

When Abraham walked on this earth there were other civilizations, Abraham came from Ur a city. Also millions of other people around the world that had no genetic link to his offspring. The article is stretching the credibility and reliability of DNA testing, beyond what can actually be known.

How would anyone know what DNA was authentic Jewish DNA?

The Jewish community appears to have decided what is authentic.

 

[BABerean2]

PS... God has unfulfilled Land promises to Israel and Zechariah 14 hasn’t happened yet...

Who is the "heir" to the land?

The heir Himself revealed who now owns the title deed, in the passage below.

He paid for it with His blood at Calvary.

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus said the kingdom would be taken and given to another nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone".

That holy nation is described by Peter in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

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[klutedavid]

The Jewish community appears to have decided what is authentic.

Honestly jgr, who would know who was an authentic Jew?

Israel has been conquered many times in history, how could you identify pure Jewish DNA?

The Jews might claim they are pure Jews, but how would they know they were not the descendants of proselytes?

 

[Truth7t7]

The first article, which is over ten years old, acknowledged at that time an estimate of hundreds of millions with Abrahamic DNA. This was when genetic testing was in its infancy. The other articles essentially concur.

After 4000 years and 100 generations, global genetic dispersal is a virtual certainty.

From The Book Of Unsaved Jewish "Josephus" To The Confines Of Modern Secular Science, "Poof" They Will Lead Us In Defining God's Truth.

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[BABerean2]

From The Book Of Unsaved Jewish "Josephus" To The Confines Of Modern Secular Science, "Poof" They Will Lead Us In Defining God's Truth.

2 Timothy 3:16-17KJV
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

At least Josephus would have understood John 10:22, which is much more than some of us can do.

When verse 16 above refers to "All scripture", would that include John 10:22, and Luke 19:41-44, and Luke 23:27-31?

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[Grip Docility]

At least Josephus would have understood John 10:22, which is much more than some of us can do.

When verse 16 above refers to "All scripture", would that include John 10:22, and Luke 19:41-44, and Luke 23:27-31?

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Where did ya rent that cherry picker?

 

[Grip Docility]

You are correct.

Romans 2:28-29, Romans 9:6-8, Romans 11, Galatians 3:28-29 et al.

Oops... ya missed some verses in between!

Pesky Bible! Awwww... just cut Romans 11:27-36 out and all the contextual verses that really shed “LIGHT” on the verses you are quoting.

 

[Grip Docility]

Who is the "heir" to the land?

The heir Himself revealed who now owns the title deed, in the passage below.

He paid for it with His blood at Calvary.

Mat 21:37 But last of all he sent unto them his son, saying, They will reverence my son.

Mat 21:38 But when the husbandmen saw the son, they said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and let us seize on his inheritance.

Mat 21:39 And they caught him, and cast him out of the vineyard, and slew him.

Mat 21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen?

Mat 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons.

Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

Mat 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Jesus said the kingdom would be taken and given to another nation which accepted the "chief cornerstone".

That holy nation is described by Peter in 1 Peter 2:4-10.

.

Read Zechariah and Joel to answer your first question... it’s a thrill ride.

 

[jgr]

Oops... ya missed some verses in between!

Pesky Bible! Awwww... just cut Romans 11:27-36 out and all the contextual verses that really shed “LIGHT” on the verses you are quoting.

Have you "seen" your optometrist lately?

Romans 11 just happens to mean the whole chapter.

Verse 28: Before becoming believers, they were enemies of the gospel. After becoming believers, i.e. becoming the elect, they were beloved (Colossians 3:12, 1 Thessalonians 1:4) on account of the fathers.

Verse 32: God has mercy on them all. Will they all become believers because of His mercy? Sadly, no. God has mercy on the entire world. Will the entire world become believers because of His mercy? Sadly, no.

 

[jgr]

Honestly jgr, who would know who was an authentic Jew?

Israel has been conquered many times in history, how could you identify pure Jewish DNA?

The Jews might claim they are pure Jews, but how would they know they were not the descendants of proselytes?

Did you read the articles, particularly the first? They use the Aaronic Cohen haplotype genetic marker.

Check out Brother BAB2's post and video here.

 

[jgr]

Read Zechariah and Joel to answer your first question... it’s a thrill ride.

Hebrews 1
1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

His Son is the Heir of all things. That includes the land and all other OT promises without exception. That is the ultimate fulfillment of Zechariah, Joel, and the whole of the OT.

 

[klutedavid]

Did you read the articles, particularly the first? They use the Aaronic Cohen haplotype genetic marker.

Check out Brother BAB2's post and video here.

The first thing to keep in mind is: DNA testing will not magically build a family tree for you. Ancestry.com is clearly aware of this, because their advertisements for DNA testing emphasize identifying your ethnicity, not identifying ancestors. If all four of your grandparents are Ashkenazim (Jew whose ancestors came from Central or Eastern Europe), Ancestry's ethnicity piece will only tell you that you are 93-98% European Jewish with trace amounts of other things. If you are not Jewish but you have reason to suspect that, like former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, you or one of your ancestors converted to survive the Holocaust, this will very definitely show it. If you were adopted and have reason to believe one or both of your birth parents was Jewish, ethnicity will certainly show it. If you have a family story about a relatively recent intermarriage, this might also confirm it for you. But other than that, basic ethnicity isn't going to tell an Ashkenazi anything useful. So what else can DNA testing do for you?
(jewfaq.blogspot.com)