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Isn’t that the point jgr was making? That after 2000 years since the Jews were scattered by the romans how could their be someone 100% Jewish?

So this is the whole Jews aren’t real discussion?!?

Oh dear.... and then reality set in.
 
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I was actually hoping for an interesting discussion on this subject, hence I stated in the previous post:



So maybe you could help me understand how/why you believe people are currently in the presence of the father if the rising again has not occurred yet.

Or why Jesus ascended AFTER the resurrection, while believers will ascend before the ressurection?

Acts 1 and Zechariah 14 are a good start.

Revelation is the next linknin the chain... as long as Joel and Isaiah are in hand.

Hosea is fantastic too.
 
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Where does it say the physical kingdom of Israel will be restored in Acts 1?

If the physical kingdom of Israel was to be restored, shouldn't we be able to find something about this throughout the epistles of Paul, John, or Peter?
 
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So this is the whole Jews aren’t real discussion?!?

Who said Jews aren't real?

If someone is a quarter dutch, not 100%, does that mean that person is not dutch?

I think his point was that Jewish DNA is found all over the world.
 
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Where do these chapters mention that believers are in heaven in the presence of the Father before the resurrection?

That’s a more specific way tfor ask what you were asking...

Revelation 6:10 is pretty direct.

Also... Many dead were raised when Christ died and He took captives captive when He ascended.

That is a very personal study and I recommend you take time to see it through from all possible perspectives and then draw conclusion from prayer...

All the best to you.
 
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Who said Jews aren't real?

If someone is a quarter dutch, not 100%, does that mean that person is not dutch?

I think his point was that Jewish DNA is found all over the world.

But where is it relocating to currently in vast numbers?
 
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Where does it say the physical kingdom of Israel will be restored in Acts 1?

If the physical kingdom of Israel was to be restored, shouldn't we be able to find something about this throughout the epistles of Paul, John, or Peter?

Jesus answers by explaining He won’t reveal things that the Father appointed when the disciples asked Him “when”.

That answer binds to “no man knows the day nor hour”.

He doesn’t say Israel is now “Spiritual” Supersession...

He affirms Jewish eschatology with His answer and binds it to “The Day of the Lord”...

Or “Second Coming”
 
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Would you be able to provide New Testament scripture showing that the physical land of Israel is a promise yet to be fulfilled to the body of Christ?
Romans 9:24-26..... And it shall come to pass, that in the very place [the holy Land] it was said unto them, [ethnic Israel] You are no sons of Mine, they [those called from faithful Jews and Gentiles, as stated in verse 24] will be called the children of the Living God.
The vast multitude
of Revelation 7:9 & 14 are seen by John, in the holy Land. Proved by Revelation 14:1, where Jesus is revealed to His people. I Thessalonians 1:10
 
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Romans 9:24-26..... And it shall come to pass, that in the very place [the holy Land] it was said unto them, [ethnic Israel] You are no sons of Mine, they [those called from faithful Jews and Gentiles, as stated in verse 24] will be called the children of the Living God.
The vast multitude
of Revelation 7:9 & 14 are seen by John, in the holy Land. Proved by Revelation 14:1, where Jesus is revealed to His people. I Thessalonians 1:10

At Caesarea(town in Israel) there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion of what was known as the Italian Cohort,
Acts 10:1

While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word. And the believers from among the circumcised who had come with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit was poured out even on the Gentiles.
Acts 10:44-45

Gentiles became sons of the living God, starting in Israel.

Even the verses right after the ones you posted from romans show this.

What shall we say, then? That Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith;
Romans 9:30
 
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Revelation 6:11 states they were to rest a little longer.

Also... Many dead were raised when Christ died and He took captives captive when He ascended.

And you were dead in the trespasses and sins
Ephesians 2:1

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.
Galatians 5:1

Christ freed us from sin and gave us gifts through the Holy Spirit

Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men.” ( In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.) And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the shepherds and teachers, to equip the saints for the work of ministry, for building up the body of Christ,
Ephesians 4:8-12

That is a very personal study and I recommend you take time to see it through from all possible perspectives and then draw conclusion from prayer...

It may personal but if your trying to debunk Preterism, it’s important to establish that the no one is currently in the presence of The father.
 
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Jesus answers by explaining He won’t reveal things that the Father appointed when the disciples asked Him “when”.

That answer binds to “no man knows the day nor hour”.

He doesn’t say Israel is now “Spiritual” Supersession...

He affirms Jewish eschatology with His answer and binds it to “The Day of the Lord”...

Or “Second Coming”
Does this mean the kingdom of God is the same as the kingdom of Israel?
 
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Acts 1
11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”
 
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Acts 1
11 They also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into the sky? This Jesus, who has been taken up from you into heaven, will come in just the same way as you have watched Him go into heaven.”

So does that mean the kingdom of God will not come or be established until Jesus’ 2nd coming?
 
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So does that mean the kingdom of God will not come or be established until Jesus’ 2nd coming?
Luke 17:21
Nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst.
 
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Jesus... “No man knows the day nor the hour”...

Acts 1... “it is not for me to reveal things the Father has appointed”

Revelation... The dead are raised in Physical Corpreal Form

Full and Partial Preterism claim 70 AD is the fulfillment of the day and the hour...

Problem! The dead haven’t been raised in physical Corpreal form yet...

Thus... the Day and the Hour remains UNKNOWN while preterists seem to think they know more than God the Son while He walked this earth, before His Death, Burial and Ressurection...
Yeah what baloney. That the general doctrine of resurrection is talking about every molecule and atom of all dead bodies turned to dust in the world will be put back together someday and that is the "hope" of resurrection. You need to become way more familiar with scripture and get a little heavenly help with your eye sight.

The aim of this article is to show what resurrection is through its contextual usage in scripture.
That fact that there is resurrection is not controversial amongst professing Christians. The what, when, where, and how's, are controversial. There will be five main points in this article to show that the word resurrection is used to describe different things; and that the meaning of those things are shown in the context of that particular scripture. This as opposed to the idea or "hermeneutic" that seeks to make resurrection a one time future event based on a small number of the scriptures on the subject. There is also no need to go into the Greek words for resurrection, arose, rise, raised ect ect. These are used interchangeably so often to describe the same events it renders it unnecessary. The five points in order will be:
1. That depending on the context of the verses the word resurrection is used to convey the idea that there is immediate life after death that includes a physical body. (Not physical as we know physical, but a physical body none the less.)
2. Again, depending on the context of those scriptures the word resurrection is used to convey the idea of a flesh and bone body dying and that same body miraculously restored to life as in the case of Lazarus.
3. Or, as the context dictates, that resurrection can mean a flesh and bone body dying and that same body being restored to life; but then also becoming a "glorified" body like Jesus. This would also include the case of one never dying first but being caught up or "raptured" like Elijah.
4. Then resurrection depending on the context is used illustratively to describe those who are "dead" in sin yet physically alive, becoming "alive" to God or resurrected. In other words a "spiritual" resurrection that occurs while still in our body.
5. Finally, as the context dictates, a word or a vision of resurrection is used to teach the realities of points #1, #2, #3 or #4. Unfortunately though, like all words or visions from God; there is a natural tendency to interpret them as an event; rather than the use of illustrative language or pictures to describe basic truth.



1. That depending on the context of the verses the word resurrection is used to convey the idea that there is immediate life after death that includes a physical body. (Not physical as we know physical, but a physical body none the less.)


Matthew 22: 23-32. The same day the Sadducees came to him (Jesus), which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him………… 29. Jesus answered and said to them, You err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken to you by God, saying, 32. I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living 33. And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. Jesus directly used the term “the resurrection” to describe the fact that the patriarchs were alive, not dead and the multitude was astonished by this statement. Why would that be? The belief that there was life after death was held by the vast majority of the multitude. They were certainly not astonished that Jesus would say the Patriarchs were alive anymore than Christians today would not be astonished; it is something they already believe. One can only assume they were astonished because they understood Jesus to say the Patriarchs were already resurrected, something that they understood to be a one time future event at the end of the world. As Martha states here: John 11: 23. Jesus said to her, Your brother shall rise again. 24. Martha said to him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25. Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: It was not unusual for Christ to differ with the culturally accepted beliefs of his day. What is strange, is that this scripture messes with consensus views of Christians today; as if nothing has ever changed in what believers hold to be true.
Here's an example to bring the significance of this scripture to light. Say there was a funeral of a child who from a family where they were all professing Christians. How often would their fellow Christians seek to comfort them with the words, "your child is in a better place , he is with Jesus now alive and happy and will be in heaven waiting for you." It's comforting and true! Yet if someone said the same words like this: "He is with Jesus now resurrected and happy and will be in heaven waiting for you." There would be looks of puzzlement, people may be offended, in fact the person in question may get a call from the pastor. Yet this is exactly how Jesus used the word resurrection, to describe the fact of immediate life after death that has nothing to do with dead bodies made alive, graves opening or future events.

There is something further to notice about Jesus’ answer in Matthew 22:30 concerning the physical nature of the simple life after death resurrected body: For in the resurrection they ….. are as the angels of God in heaven. The Bible calls angels spirits in Hebrews 1:14. Are they not all ministering spirits..... Yet angels throughout the scripture have physical bodies. They may not be physical as we understand physical, but in the scriptures they eat, drink, appear, disappear, walk through walls, are constantly mistaken for men, and take on different form, walk in fire, etc. etc. The point being is that our "inward" man is a spirit, just like the angels are spirits. We are not a cloud or a mist that floats around when these bodies die. When we step out of these bodies we step out on feet, we have legs, we have a body. It is physical, just not flesh and bone as we know physical right now. This can be seen in great detail in the scriptures below.
Here are three Bible stories that demonstrate point #1 again but also point #3 where a mans earthy physical body was changed into a heavenly physical body. Deuteronomy 34: 5. So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab , according to the word of the Lord. 6. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knows of his tomb unto this day. 2 Kings 2:11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, which separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Luke 9: 28. About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up to a mountain to pray. 29. As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30. Two men, Moses and Elijah, 31.Appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem.: We have two men. One of them, Moses; died, buried, his body still in the ground. The other Elijah, caught away to heaven. Yet here they are, both speaking to Jesus with the same bodies: they are alive, resurrected, and they have the appearance of angels. If resurrection is a one time future event how did this make it into the Bible? Moses has the same body as Elijah, Moses dead and buried and Elijah "raptured." See how this fits into the narrative of Jesus that in the resurrection they are physically. like the angels?
In another example of point #1 we have a story that includes someone who did not go to heaven but hell: Luke 16: 19. There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. 20. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21. And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25. But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. 26. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. 27. Then he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house: 28. For I have five brothers; that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment. 29. Abraham answered him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30. And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will repent. 31. And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. This is not the end of the world; the rich man still has unbelieving kinfolk on earth, and Jesus said there "was" a certain rich man, indicating this happened in the past, before Christ and the NT. Also these individuals have physical bodies that are recognizable; the rich man recognizes both Lazarus and Abraham. Then there is the use of this language: he lifted up his eyes and saw; he is thirsty and wants a drop of water on his tongue because he is tormented in fire, clearly indicating a body. Plus he still cares for the welfare of his family even though he is in hell. These are not awaiting resurrection, they are already resurrected and it is the past. So how can it be said that the Bible teaches a one time future event called the resurrection when we have these examples of people already resurrected?
The Biblical doctrine or teaching about resurrection is a doctrine or teaching about life after death as opposed to: The teaching that there is no life after death, materialism, agnosticism, reincarnation, and the many other pagan and non-pagan "isms" that exist in the world. Physical as in "flesh" bodies being raised from the dead is incidental to the great truth of life after death and what becomes of us once we die. Resurrection is not a prophetic event. The fact that there are scenarios in the scripture that great edifices of "faith" are built around should not hinder one from the simplicity of immediate life after death called the resurrection lived out in our spiritual bodies that are far superior to the one we are "clothed" with now.

The rest of the article covering points 2-4 is here:
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Vast numbers might be an overstatement. But I get your point. Israel became a nation.

Does this mean the old covenant is still in place?

Has it been “fulfilled” or “abolished”... according to Jesus?

Indeed... the New Covenant is in place and the old Covenant never saves a single soul, but by the Death, Burial and Ressurection of Jesus...

But... Covenant means “Promise” and those promises were made to Jacobs people...

Israel of location and people will still play a part in Things too great for us to comprehend...

There is a verse in Joel that says...

“Even now if you turn to me”...

It was an eye opener for me.
 
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Yeah what baloney. That the general doctrine of resurrection is talking about every molecule and atom of all dead bodies turned to dust in the world will be put back together someday and that is the "hope" of resurrection. You need to become way more familiar with scripture and get a little heavenly help with your eye sight.

The aim of this article is to show what resurrection is through its contextual usage in scripture.
That fact that there is resurrection is not controversial amongst professing Christians. The what, when, where, and how's, are controversial. There will be five main points in this article to show that the word resurrection is used to describe different things; and that the meaning of those things are shown in the context of that particular scripture. This as opposed to the idea or "hermeneutic" that seeks to make resurrection a one time future event based on a small number of the scriptures on the subject. There is also no need to go into the Greek words for resurrection, arose, rise, raised ect ect. These are used interchangeably so often to describe the same events it renders it unnecessary. The five points in order will be:
1. That depending on the context of the verses the word resurrection is used to convey the idea that there is immediate life after death that includes a physical body. (Not physical as we know physical, but a physical body none the less.)
2. Again, depending on the context of those scriptures the word resurrection is used to convey the idea of a flesh and bone body dying and that same body miraculously restored to life as in the case of Lazarus.
3. Or, as the context dictates, that resurrection can mean a flesh and bone body dying and that same body being restored to life; but then also becoming a "glorified" body like Jesus. This would also include the case of one never dying first but being caught up or "raptured" like Elijah.
4. Then resurrection depending on the context is used illustratively to describe those who are "dead" in sin yet physically alive, becoming "alive" to God or resurrected. In other words a "spiritual" resurrection that occurs while still in our body.
5. Finally, as the context dictates, a word or a vision of resurrection is used to teach the realities of points #1, #2, #3 or #4. Unfortunately though, like all words or visions from God; there is a natural tendency to interpret them as an event; rather than the use of illustrative language or pictures to describe basic truth.



1. That depending on the context of the verses the word resurrection is used to convey the idea that there is immediate life after death that includes a physical body. (Not physical as we know physical, but a physical body none the less.)


Matthew 22: 23-32. The same day the Sadducees came to him (Jesus), which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him………… 29. Jesus answered and said to them, You err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. 31. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have you not read that which was spoken to you by God, saying, 32. I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living 33. And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. Jesus directly used the term “the resurrection” to describe the fact that the patriarchs were alive, not dead and the multitude was astonished by this statement. Why would that be? The belief that there was life after death was held by the vast majority of the multitude. They were certainly not astonished that Jesus would say the Patriarchs were alive anymore than Christians today would not be astonished; it is something they already believe. One can only assume they were astonished because they understood Jesus to say the Patriarchs were already resurrected, something that they understood to be a one time future event at the end of the world. As Martha states here: John 11: 23. Jesus said to her, Your brother shall rise again. 24. Martha said to him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25. Jesus said to her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: It was not unusual for Christ to differ with the culturally accepted beliefs of his day. What is strange, is that this scripture messes with consensus views of Christians today; as if nothing has ever changed in what believers hold to be true.
Here's an example to bring the significance of this scripture to light. Say there was a funeral of a child who from a family where they were all professing Christians. How often would their fellow Christians seek to comfort them with the words, "your child is in a better place , he is with Jesus now alive and happy and will be in heaven waiting for you." It's comforting and true! Yet if someone said the same words like this: "He is with Jesus now resurrected and happy and will be in heaven waiting for you." There would be looks of puzzlement, people may be offended, in fact the person in question may get a call from the pastor. Yet this is exactly how Jesus used the word resurrection, to describe the fact of immediate life after death that has nothing to do with dead bodies made alive, graves opening or future events.
There is something further to notice about Jesus’ answer in Matthew 22:30 concerning the physical nature of the simple life after death resurrected body: For in the resurrection they ….. are as the angels of God in heaven. The Bible calls angels spirits in Hebrews 1:14. Are they not all ministering spirits..... Yet angels throughout the scripture have physical bodies. They may not be physical as we understand physical, but in the scriptures they eat, drink, appear, disappear, walk through walls, are constantly mistaken for men, and take on different form, walk in fire, etc. etc. The point being is that our "inward" man is a spirit, just like the angels are spirits. We are not a cloud or a mist that floats around when these bodies die. When we step out of these bodies we step out on feet, we have legs, we have a body. It is physical, just not flesh and bone as we know physical right now. This can be seen in great detail in the scriptures below.
Here are three Bible stories that demonstrate point #1 again but also point #3 where a mans earthy physical body was changed into a heavenly physical body. Deuteronomy 34: 5. So Moses the servant of the Lord died there in the land of Moab , according to the word of the Lord. 6. And he buried him in a valley in the land of Moab, over against Bethpeor: but no man knows of his tomb unto this day. 2 Kings 2:11. And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, which separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven. Luke 9: 28. About eight days after Jesus said this, he took Peter, John and James with him and went up to a mountain to pray. 29. As he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothes became as bright as a flash of lightning. 30. Two men, Moses and Elijah, 31.Appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem.: We have two men. One of them, Moses; died, buried, his body still in the ground. The other Elijah, caught away to heaven. Yet here they are, both speaking to Jesus with the same bodies: they are alive, resurrected, and they have the appearance of angels. If resurrection is a one time future event how did this make it into the Bible? Moses has the same body as Elijah, Moses dead and buried and Elijah "raptured." See how this fits into the narrative of Jesus that in the resurrection they are physically. like the angels?
In another example of point #1 we have a story that includes someone who did not go to heaven but hell: Luke 16: 19. There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day. 20. And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, 21. And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. 22. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; 23. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and sees Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. 25. But Abraham said, Son, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and you are tormented. 26. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from here to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from there. 27. Then he said, I beg you therefore, father, that you would send him to my father's house: 28. For I have five brothers; that he may testify to them, lest they also come to this place of torment. 29. Abraham answered him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. 30. And he said, No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will repent. 31. And he said to him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead. This is not the end of the world; the rich man still has unbelieving kinfolk on earth, and Jesus said there "was" a certain rich man, indicating this happened in the past, before Christ and the NT. Also these individuals have physical bodies that are recognizable; the rich man recognizes both Lazarus and Abraham. Then there is the use of this language: he lifted up his eyes and saw; he is thirsty and wants a drop of water on his tongue because he is tormented in fire, clearly indicating a body. Plus he still cares for the welfare of his family even though he is in hell. These are not awaiting resurrection, they are already resurrected and it is the past. So how can it be said that the Bible teaches a one time future event called the resurrection when we have these examples of people already resurrected?
The Biblical doctrine or teaching about resurrection is a doctrine or teaching about life after death as opposed to: The teaching that there is no life after death, materialism, agnosticism, reincarnation, and the many other pagan and non-pagan "isms" that exist in the world. Physical as in "flesh" bodies being raised from the dead is incidental to the great truth of life after death and what becomes of us once we die. Resurrection is not a prophetic event. The fact that there are scenarios in the scripture that great edifices of "faith" are built around should not hinder one from the simplicity of immediate life after death called the resurrection lived out in our spiritual bodies that are far superior to the one we are "clothed" with now.

The rest of the article covering points 2-4 is here:
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My Balogna has a first name... It’s Jesus’

My balongna has a second name... M-E-R-C-Y

And if you ask me, here’s what I say... Israel has it in every way...

You wrote a lot of words in response to something so simple and Scriptural...

Ehhhhhh... Its just our fully ressurected Lord speaking...

Those preterism theological commentaries you cling to must be way more accurate. ;)
 
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Has it been “fulfilled” or “abolished”... according to Jesus?

Indeed... the New Covenant is in place and the old Covenant never saves a single soul, but by the Death, Burial and Ressurection of Jesus...

But... Covenant means “Promise” and those promises were made to Jacobs people...

Israel of location and people will still play a part in Things too great for us to comprehend...

There is a verse in Joel that says...

“Even now if you turn to me”...

It was an eye opener for me.
The old covenant, the promises were conditional on obedience.

Israel failed to be obedient and lost the promised land.

The old covenant was terminated, replaced by the new covenant.

The house of David is desolate, the axe has already felled the tree.

There will never again be a theocratic Israel, never again another temple.

I am amazed that people still think democratic, modern Israel, will rebuild the temple on the temple mount. An astounding claim, Israel will start shedding the blood of thousands of animals for their sin. This is such a profoundly incorrect interpretation, I am just amazed that anyone could believe such a thing.
 
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