Why Christians should reject Partial Preterism

[sovereigngrace]

You mean "accusing you" of having very similar posts to another member (one that happens to be banned)? That's not false - it's true. I used quotes because it's not an accusation, but an observation.

No, you accused me of being him/her.

 

[parousia70]

Wow! So you are a Full Preterist! I and others have suspected that for a while! So sad!!! You are deceived by heresy.

Nope. Sorry to Disappoint.
I'm Catholic.
We aren't full preterists. We adhere to the Future Consummation attested to in the creeds... perhaps you missed my affirming statement in my post #626 of this thread where I said:
Yes, this foreshadows an even greater *final* judgment of God in the future....
None of this in any way negates or usurps the FUTURE RESURRECTION to the FINAL state of all creation.

 

[parousia70]

Why would any Christian that has nothing to hide repeatedly ignore these simple questions?

1. Is the second coming of Christ an ongoing process or a literal future physical climactic event?
2. Is the resurrection of the dead an ongoing process or a literal future physical climactic event?

1) Yes
2) Yes

 

[DavidPT]

1) Yes
2) Yes

It looks like to me there are 4 questions total. 2 questions in the first one and 2 questions in the 2nd one. Which question in each set of questions are you answering yes to?



1 Is the second coming of Christ an ongoing process?
2 or a literal future physical climactic event?

3 Is the resurrection of the dead an ongoing process?
4 or a literal future physical climactic event?

 

[parousia70]

1 Is the second coming of Christ an ongoing process?
2 or a literal future physical climactic event?

3 Is the resurrection of the dead an ongoing process?
4 or a literal future physical climactic event?

I reject the premise that each question is mutually exclusive.
It's a yes to all 4

 

[mkgal1]

Is the second coming of Christ an ongoing process?

We're way past the #2 coming. Some of us believe in Christophanies - like Melchizedek being an appearing of Christ. Then there're the visitors Sarah and Abraham had recorded in Genesis 18; the vision that Steven had at his stoning....the visit Saul/Paul had....the Presence of Christ whenever 2 or more are gathered in His name etc. I doubt we can even accurately know how many "coming of Christ" events there have been or can expect.

 

[Christian Gedge]

A quick note to help this thread not to be sidetracked from the OP. I personally know SovereignGrace as well as BABerean. They are not the same person and they live many miles from each other.

Two good guys BTW.

 

[JLB777]

Saying all that, having debated with Partial Preterists over the years, and most recently on this site, I have many real deep biblical concerns about Partial Preterist teaching which I believe are dangerous, and which lead many into the heresy of Full Preterism. Much of what is advocated on this board by Partial Preterists is only a thin paper wall away from Full Preterism. Partial Preterists even freely quote their writers.

Full Preterism = Heresy

Partial Preterism = Partial Heresy




JLB

 

[claninja]

It is the same doctrine and it is heretical!

Associating the resurrection with the events of Daniel 12 and the Olivet discourse is heretical?

 

[sovereigngrace]

Associating the resurrection with the events of Daniel 12 and the Olivet discourse is heretical?

What are you talking about? Who’s resurrection?

 

[sovereigngrace]

A quick note to help this thread not to be sidetracked from the OP. I personally know SovereignGrace as well as BABerean. They are not the same person and they live many miles from each other.

Two good guys BTW.

This is a deliberate effort by mkgal to misrepresent me and to discredit my message. Sadly, she refuses to apologize for this.

 

[sovereigngrace]

We're way past the #2 coming. Some of us believe in Christophanies - like Melchizedek being an appearing of Christ. Then there're the visitors Sarah and Abraham had recorded in Genesis 18; the vision that Steven had at his stoning....the visit Saul/Paul had....the Presence of Christ whenever 2 or more are gathered in His name etc. I doubt we can even accurately know how many "coming of Christ" events there have been or can expect.

It doesn’t matter what do you think. The truth still stands solid and unwavering. You are doing your best to diminish and belittle the importance of the one final future literal physical visible audible second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. But scripture is very clear: it is the climax of history. It is the introduction of the perfect and eternal state.

 

[mkgal1]

This is a deliberate effort by mkgal to misrepresent me and to discredit my message. Sadly, she refuses to apologize for this.

It was merely an observation.

And what should we call your repeated accusations of full preterism when you've been told numerous of times that's not accurate?

 

[mkgal1]

It doesn’t matter what do you think. The truth still stands solid and unwavering. You are doing your best to diminish and belittle the importance of the one final future literal physical visible audible second coming of the Lord Jesus Christ. But scripture is very clear: it is the climax of history. It is the introduction of the perfect and eternal state.

You seem to be missing my point about the assigned number.

 

[sovereigngrace]

It was merely an observation.

It was a false accusation. I suspected with your previous record that there is no way that you were going to apologize. That is who you are.

 

[sovereigngrace]

I reject the premise that each question is mutually exclusive.
It's a yes to all 4

This is why many of us stand so strong against Preterism. It is a confusing mess. You make the argument for the Op better than i could possibly could. This is why all right-minded Bible believing Christians should renounce this Jesuit doctrine. It was invented by Spanish Jesuit Luis De Alcazar (1554–1613) who wrote a commentary titled Vestigio Arcani Sensus in Apocaplysi or Investigation of the Hidden Sense of the Apocalypse and was published a year after his death.

 

[claninja]

What are you talking about? Who’s resurrection?

It is heretical to associate the resurrection of the just and unjust with the events of Daniel 12 and the Olivet discourse?

It was a false accusation. I suspected with your previous record that there is no way that you were going to apologize. That is who you are.

where did mkgal, specifically call you Baberean in order for it to be an “accusation”? I can’t seem to find that post. do you have specific post number?

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[sovereigngrace]

It is heretical to associate the resurrection of the just and unjust with the events of Daniel 12 and the Olivet discourse?

How so? You are going to have to explain.

 

[sovereigngrace]

I agree Hymenaean was in error. Hymenaean preached the resurrection prior to the events of Daniel 12 the olivet discourse. Thus his error was divorcing the resurrection with the events stated in Daniel 12 and the olivet discourse.

Thus anyone who dissociates the general resurrection with the events of Daniel 12 and the olivet discourse commits the error of Hymenaean.

So, it is heretical to apply the general resurrection to before AD70 but sound to apply it to AD70?

 

[FreeinChrist]

ADVISOR HAT

This thread is closed for staff review. There is WAY too much flaming in this thread of other members, other views, and of churches.

Edit - this thread is staying closed. ​