Shiloh Raven
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Is that the only respect expected from Donald?
I'm surprised he gave any sign of respect, to be honest.
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Is that the only respect expected from Donald?
If you could rig up a generator to run off their wriggling and tapdancing, we'd solve renewable energy.I'm enjoying this thread too. I think it's amusing to watch all of this mental gymnastics and bending over backwards to defend Trump. Trump and his followers were the ones going on about standing for the American flag as a sign of respect, but then Trump goes and does something like this. I think it's humorous to watch his followers here nervously deflect and scramble like this to defend him.
That's been my point about the liberals and anti-Trumpers on this forum for awhile now.It's really pretty simple. If you're going to use moralising and condemnation of others for political gain, that's a valid and venerable tactic.
But... you'd better make darn sure you are absolutely beyond reproach on those issues, or you'll be exposed as a hypocrite with no credibility. Again and again we see political and social leaders make use of the tactic while unable to maintain the second half of the equation. At what point do you think these people will learn from the mistakes of others?
Or are they just so insulated from the real world that they honestly can't see their hypocrisy?
Because I never again want you to respond to me. Ever. I want you to disappear and never see you again.
Any actual examples?That's been my point about the liberals and anti-Trumpers on this forum for awhile now.
You mean you're conscious of your deflections and you continue to do it anyway?Yeah, then the second I mention Obama or Hillary, they scramble like fighter jets ready to defend. Don't act like you're better than us.
We're going to keep holding the President to his words since it's become obvious we can't rely on his supporters to do that.That's alright. You guys can keep being intellectually dishonest. That's cool.
.... It could've been that it didn't click for him at that time what the song was for, because he flat out asked Hannity what the song was.
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Thank you for this post.Fair is fair and I have to give points for this. Of course it would have made a far better impact if not buried in the midst of several other excuses.
If I were defending Trump I'd also point out that Retreat is far less known than reveille or taps and is short. One easily could not click to it in time to do anything.
I'd also point out that in the short video I saw there was no flag being lowered that I could see. It is a rather different thing if the flagpole is right in front of Trump or on the other side of the base. It is rather curious that none of his supporters here have managed to make this pretty decent argument.
Of course it does not present Trump as perfect.
Fair is fair and I have to give points for this. Of course it would have made a far better impact if not buried in the midst of several other excuses.
If I were defending Trump I'd also point out that Retreat is far less known than reveille or taps and is short. One easily could not click to it in time to do anything.
I'd also point out that in the short video I saw there was no flag being lowered that I could see. It is a rather different thing if the flagpole is right in front of Trump or on the other side of the base. It is rather curious that none of his supporters here have managed to make this pretty decent argument.
Of course it does not present Trump as perfect.
They need a :baffled: smilie to comment on posts.That's alright. You guys can keep being intellectually dishonest. That's cool.
Hey this would be a really short thread without it. It just seems to be really bad timing and location for Trump to be having an interview with Hannity.I am sorry for my constant defense of Trump.
That same SOS said he never called Trump a moron.
The "kneeling/anthem" controversy is nothing more than "The Donald's" attempt to divert the American public's attention away from his own Secretary of State referring to him as a "MORON," and the Republican Senate Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee characterizing the White House as "adult day care!"
This President may not know how to conduct himself during a flag-lowering ceremony, but he does know how to manipulate a situation for his own benefit!
Here's the difference. When you're at a football game, they ask you to stand, remove your hat, and put your hand over your heart. There are NFL rules that state this. Most teams have rules that state this. This wasn't the national anthem. No one asked Trump or anyone to stand. It wasn't customary. There are no rules for it UNLESS you're a member of the military. Trump isn't a grunt. And it very well could've been that he forgot. It could've been that it didn't click for him at that time what the song was for, because he flat out asked Hannity what the song was.
So, in my opinion, to use this moment to attack Trump, when it wasn't customary for Trump to rise, when it wasn't customary for civilians to rise (I doubt Hannity did either), as if it's the same as the national anthem where they blatantly disrespect the anthem and the flag, is ridiculous. It's not even remotely the same. Intentionally kneeling is different than not standing for a song that's not customary to stand unless you're a member of the military. If it was the national anthem, I'd be right here saying he was disrespectful, but it wasn't the anthem. There are no rules or customs that said Trump had to stand, unlike at NFL games.
Military personnel and veterans who are present but not in uniform may salute when outdoors [during reveille and retreat] or stand at parade rest. Civilians should stand at attention and place their right hand - with a hat if they're wearing one - over their heart. All vehicles on military installations should come to a complete stop and wait until the last note of the music stops. Military members in their vehicles should sit at attention.
He went to New York Military Academy. I think he knew what that song was and what it meant. He's not a uniformed officer, so he wasn't required to stand and salute. Come on with this petty crap already.
I know. That was big news on CNN. "So and so didn't call Trump a moron, he says." Reading the comment to disavow it just implants it all the more. We all get frustrated with our bosses, but our comments don't usually end up on the national news.That same SOS said he never called Trump a moron.