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President Disrespects the Flag at Military Base

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by SummerMadness, Oct 12, 2017.

  1. Emerald Flame

    Emerald Flame "After all this time?" "Always."

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    I'm surprised he gave any sign of respect, to be honest.
     
  2. Armoured

    Armoured So is America great again yet? Supporter

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    If you could rig up a generator to run off their wriggling and tapdancing, we'd solve renewable energy.
     
  3. Armoured

    Armoured So is America great again yet? Supporter

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    It's really pretty simple. If you're going to use moralising and condemnation of others for political gain, that's a valid and venerable tactic.

    But... you'd better make darn sure you are absolutely beyond reproach on those issues, or you'll be exposed as a hypocrite with no credibility. Again and again we see political and social leaders make use of the tactic while unable to maintain the second half of the equation. At what point do you think these people will learn from the mistakes of others?

    Or are they just so insulated from the real world that they honestly can't see their hypocrisy?
     
  4. Saucy

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    That's been my point about the liberals and anti-Trumpers on this forum for awhile now.
     
  5. PeachyKeane

    PeachyKeane Newbie

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    Well, sorry to disappoint. You could just post without the hyperbole and unsubstantiated claims...
     
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  6. Armoured

    Armoured So is America great again yet? Supporter

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    Any actual examples?
     
  7. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    You mean you're conscious of your deflections and you continue to do it anyway?
     
  8. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    We're going to keep holding the President to his words since it's become obvious we can't rely on his supporters to do that.
     
  9. keith99

    keith99 sola dosis facit venenum

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    Fair is fair and I have to give points for this. Of course it would have made a far better impact if not buried in the midst of several other excuses.

    If I were defending Trump I'd also point out that Retreat is far less known than reveille or taps and is short. One easily could not click to it in time to do anything.

    I'd also point out that in the short video I saw there was no flag being lowered that I could see. It is a rather different thing if the flagpole is right in front of Trump or on the other side of the base. It is rather curious that none of his supporters here have managed to make this pretty decent argument.

    Of course it does not present Trump as perfect.
     
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  10. Saucy

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    Thank you for this post.

    You guys are probably right about the way I defend Trump. I tell others all the time I have no idea why I just ardently jump to his defense, but it's probably seeing things like this happen. In my mind, there are reasons to defend the president, reasons to not jump at the media every time they post stuff like this. In the interview, it wasn't just one-on-one with Hannity. It was like a rally, but a sit-down interview instead of standing, so there were hundreds of people there watching. They most likely had a time constraint to fit it on Hannity's show, and as you said, he probably didn't recognize or know the song, or it didn't click.
     
  11. 1000Flames

    1000Flames Gloria Perpetua

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    Didn't Trump go to military school? If he did, is there any excuse NOT to know it practically immediately? I don't really know anything about military school, so I suppose it's entirely possible they didn't do those protocols ore songs at the school vs doing them on a base.
     
  12. Saucy

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    I am sorry for my constant defense of Trump.
     
  13. jgarden

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    The "kneeling/anthem" controversy is nothing more than "The Donald's" attempt to divert the American public's attention away from his own Secretary of State referring to him as a "MORON," and the Republican Senate Chair of the Foreign Relations Committee characterizing the White House as "adult day care!"

    This President may not know how to conduct himself during a flag-lowering ceremony, but he does know how to manipulate a situation for his own benefit!
     
  14. Christie insb

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    They need a :baffled: smilie to comment on posts.
     
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  15. Goonie

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    Hey this would be a really short thread without it:). It just seems to be really bad timing and location for Trump to be having an interview with Hannity.
     
  16. Douger

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    Reading this thread has me conflicted. I can't tell if the national religion of the United States is flag worship or observance of tit for tat.
    Maybe it's both.
     
  17. Saucy

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    That same SOS said he never called Trump a moron.
     
  18. Belk

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    That is incorrect.

    Customs and Courtesies: What to do during reveille, retreat, taps > Malmstrom Air Force Base > Display
     
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  19. Stanfordella

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    Which is precisely why he should have known what to do, and done it. My dad also graduated from NYMA (albeit a generation after Trump) where every morning began with the playing of "Reveille", and at precisely the same time each evening "Retreat" was played. They were trained on the etiquette for honoring both traditions, to the extent that it became like a Pavlovian response. It was unequivocally unacceptable to be in breach. Trump is the Commander-in-Chief, and was on a military base. Even if he was an ordinary citizen, his actions would have been construed as disrespectful by those at NYMA. All visitors to the campus were expected to render the proper courtesies to these ceremonies.

    My parents were serving in the military when I was born, and I vividly remember being on bases as a young child while the songs were performed, and watching everyone reverently adhere to the courtesies. We weren't expected to follow the protocols precisely as preschoolers, but we were still taught them. Civilians are to stop, silence themselves, turn towards the flag, and come to a position of attention and remain there for the duration.

    I do think the interview was poorly planned, but I also think the criticism is valid and fair. As for "petty crap"..... when I have more time I'll detail my thoughts on Trump's obsession with NFL players and the National Anthem in one of the plethora of threads about it.
     
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  20. Christie insb

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    I know. That was big news on CNN. "So and so didn't call Trump a moron, he says." Reading the comment to disavow it just implants it all the more. We all get frustrated with our bosses, but our comments don't usually end up on the national news.
     
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