President Disrespects the Flag at Military Base

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I voted for Jill Stein in 2012 because I thought Obama messed up. So.... I don't know what you're on about.

I voted for Jill Stein during the last presidential election because I couldn't in good conscience vote for either Trump or Clinton. I find Clinton almost as corrupt and vile as I find Trump. I also refused to succumb to the 'lesser of two evils' nonsense that seems to plague U.S. presidential elections.
 
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Where was the majority of the press constantly calling him Hitler?

You really should know better by now. I would like statistics to back up your claim that the majority of the press constantly calls Trump Hitler.
 
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Please answer honestly. You don't need to reply but look into your heart. Imagine if instead of trump this had been some of the football players that have been protesting or Obama or Hilary or anyone else you don't like (and keep in mind none of them have ever attacked someone using their freedom to stand or not to stand.). Would you still think it is not disrespectful?

I fully support the free speech of everyone and if trump had done this as a protest I would applaud his bravery, although I doubt I'd agree with his reasoning for doing so.

I find this disgusting because he is being a big fat hypocrite and he, as commander in chief, is either super ignorant of basic military traditions (but as you pointed out, he went to a huge military school) or he feels his time on TV is more important than standing for a minute for the flag, even though he has repeatedly attacked people for peaceful protesting to make the USA a better country for everyone, by also not standing.
Here's the difference. When you're at a football game, they ask you to stand, remove your hat, and put your hand over your heart. There are NFL rules that state this. Most teams have rules that state this. This wasn't the national anthem. No one asked Trump or anyone to stand. It wasn't customary. There are no rules for it UNLESS you're a member of the military. Trump isn't a grunt. And it very well could've been that he forgot. It could've been that it didn't click for him at that time what the song was for, because he flat out asked Hannity what the song was.

So, in my opinion, to use this moment to attack Trump, when it wasn't customary for Trump to rise, when it wasn't customary for civilians to rise (I doubt Hannity did either), as if it's the same as the national anthem where they blatantly disrespect the anthem and the flag, is ridiculous. It's not even remotely the same. Intentionally kneeling is different than not standing for a song that's not customary to stand unless you're a member of the military. If it was the national anthem, I'd be right here saying he was disrespectful, but it wasn't the anthem. There are no rules or customs that said Trump had to stand, unlike at NFL games.
 
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You really should know better by now. I would like statistics to back up your claim that the majority of the press constantly calls Trump Hitler.
Not playing that game with you again. I could give you 101 different sources and you'd just shrug at them all. I would like you to put me on ignore please.
 
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Uh,

He was on base. When on base you follow their rules. At least that was the expectation when I've been on base in California and Hawaii.

But perhaps those rules only apply to the peons, not his trumpness.
Yeah, I'd like to see you say that to Trump's face while on base.
 
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Nah, dude... You're a liberal now.

You'll be receiving your Birkenstocks, Antifa membership card and some illegal vote ballots in the mail within a few days.
Ah the Clinton Foundation starter kit. Excellent choice!
 
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At this point it just sounds like ya'll are bitter, angry people who have nothing better to do than stalk his every move, eat up every negative news story, and insult him every opportunity you get.
Bitter?.... I'm enjoying every moment of this thread! The only one that seems to be upset or bitter at all here is you, my friend.

You'll also notice it wasn't bitter Hillary lovers that initially pointed this out. It wasn't the liberal MSM either.

It was a military website.

You just can't make up stuff this good... This is Divine Providence in action. This is the universe winking at the world saying, "I got this."
 
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Bitter?.... I'm enjoying every moment of this thread! The only one that seems to be upset or bitter at all here is you, my friend.

You'll also notice it wasn't bitter Hillary lovers that initially pointed this out. It wasn't the liberal MSM either.

It was a military website.

You just can't make up stuff this good... This is Divine Providence in action. This is the universe winking at the world saying, "I got this."
That's alright. You guys can keep being intellectually dishonest. That's cool.
 
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Not playing that game with you again. I could give you 101 different sources and you'd just shrug at them all. I would like you to put me on ignore please.

One hundred and one sources all saying the majority of the press constantly calls Trump Hitler. I would very much like to see evidence of this claim of yours? And no, random anonymous people on the radio don't count.

Why would I put you on ignore?
 
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One hundred and one sources all saying the majority of the press constantly calls Trump Hitler. I would very much like to see evidence of this claim of yours? And no, random anonymous people on the radio don't count.

Why would I put you on ignore?
Because I never again want you to respond to me. Ever. I want you to disappear and never see you again.
 
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There is something I don't understand.

In every other situation I can think of kneeling is a sign of respect. In recent years it has become more and more common for players in several sports to kneel when a player is injured. With royality one can have problems if they stand or remain standing instead of kneeling as standing does not show sufficient respect.

Yet when NFL players kneel instead of stand they are accused of disrespect. If teh flag code had been written by the founding fathers they might very well have specifically said not to kneel, not because it failed to show respect but because it showed subservience, because it showed the citizens to exist to support the flag rather than the flag existing to protect the citizens.
 
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Oh Lord. You wasted a vote on Jill Stein? And you're in here going on and on about Trump?

It's like tipping a bad waitress. If you leave nothing, they may think you just forgot. But leave a quarter and there is a message.

I was very critical of Hillary on here prior to the election. I just thought Trump was worse because I f figured he'd try to silence the press, get us in a nuclear war, and be a bigger embarrassment.

Also, nice personal attack when your theory was shown to be a bit incorrect. A+ there.
 
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Yeah, I'd like to see you say that to Trump's face while on base.

No problem, just arrange the chance. Generally I respect the office or uniform until such time as the holder or wearer has done enough to lose that respect. Trump is the only President in my lifetime that has sunk to the level of losing all respect.
 
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Unless you're a liberal, right? It only applies to the other side, not your own. Lord knows if we started making liberals feel the pain of their own standards, they'd beat themselves up for being racists and bigots.
Oh, y'all are too kind!
 
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Bitter?.... I'm enjoying every moment of this thread! The only one that seems to be upset or bitter at all here is you, my friend.

You'll also notice it wasn't bitter Hillary lovers that initially pointed this out. It wasn't the liberal MSM either.

It was a military website.

You just can't make up stuff this good... This is Divine Providence in action. This is the universe winking at the world saying, "I got this."

I'm enjoying this thread too. I think it's amusing to watch all of this mental gymnastics and bending over backwards to defend Trump. Trump and his followers were the ones going on about standing for the American flag as a sign of respect, but then Trump goes and does something like this. I think it's humorous to watch his followers here nervously deflect and scramble like this to defend him.
 
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I'm enjoying this thread too. I think it's amusing to watch all of this mental gymnastics and bending over backwards to defend Trump. Trump and his followers were the ones going on about standing for the American flag as a sign of respect, but then Trump goes and does something like this. I think it's humorous to watch his followers scramble like this to defend him.
Yeah, then the second I mention Obama or Hillary, they scramble like fighter jets ready to defend. Don't act like you're better than us.
 
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Yeah, then the second I mention Obama or Hillary, they scramble like fighter jets ready to defend. Don't act like you're better than us.

Yes, I saw the desperate attempts deflecting to Clinton and Obama. I'm not sure who you think scrambled like fighter jets ready to defend them, because you certainly didn't see me do that.
 
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Yeah, then the second I mention Obama or Hillary, they scramble like fighter jets ready to defend. Don't act like you're better than us.

Us?
 
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