preacher cuts up Harry Potter books

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Force
your an athiest I wouldnt expect you to understand it

Indeed!

 

[EliasEmmanuel]

Originally posted by seebs
I think you could find some evidence for this, but with one crucial limitation: Children know the difference between make-believe and real stories. You will see kids who want to be a firefighter because they read about it and think it's cool. You will not generally see kids who plan to study real magic because they read about wizards. You occasionally see "wow, if magic were real, it'd be fun", but if you tell them about real magic, the normal instinct kicks in and they say "eww, that doesn't sound fun". Real magic is not like the stuff in fairy tales.

True. And with one other consideration: offering anecdotal evidence is falicious logic; offering a situation where a kid got involved in the occult after reading HP or a DnD player committing suicide doesn't make a good case against either, mostly because other considerations are ignored. Did the kid have a preexisting interest in the occult, was he looking at a lot of other sources, did our DnD player have a lot of other problems..?

My roommate says something that's a humorous illusteration of this.... "Doing stuff is overrated. Hitler did stuff, and don't we all wish he'd just stayed in bed?"

;-)

-Elias

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by GraftMeIn
Realy when it comes right down to it. It doesn't matter what others think, it only matters what God thinks.

I read that as "it only matters what I think"

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by E-beth
When Harry Potter became popular, I joined teh ranks of those saying that it was evil and promoted witchcraft, etc.
Then I was in the bookstore finding a book to take to the hospital with me when I had my baby. The first HP was there by the checkout, in paperback, so I grabbed it.

Thanks for reading it and coming up with your own opinion. How many other people here have actually read the books before making up their mind?

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Gerry
It is not me you agree or disgree with.

Uh, yes it is. You're the one talking.

Like I mentioned in another forum, we'll argue with your God once he/she/it registers an account.

 

[alphatronics]

Originally posted by Susan
BTW I do not read the Potter books. I think they are stupid, idiotic, and a waste of time

Originally posted by Susan
I have a challenge for everyone here. While I am neutral in this, not supporting or attacking Potter itself, I would be against it if someone gave some evidence.

Which is it? Why can't you come up with your own opinion by actually reading the books?

 

[Blindfaith]

[mod hat on]

Let's post nicely, and not be insulting towards the Lord.  I'd like the posts to be tempered with kindness please.

Thank you

[mod hat off]

 

[stillsmallvoice]

Hi all!

I would never advocate censorship; what I do not like, I do not read/watch and do not let my kids watch (they're not old enough to read yet). People who cut up or burn books are one step away from cutting up or burning people (and plenty of my people have been "cut up" over the centuries by over-zealous Christians; we've also seen our sacred books publicly condemned and burned). I want to teach my children to be discerning, to think analytically & to be able to sift wheat from chaff. Every time I read about nitwits who want to ban "Huckleberry Finn" or "Lord of the Flies" or "Anne Frank's Diary" from public school reading lists, I want to wince & shake my head in disbelief. Harry Potter is harmless fun; my word to those who are getting their Fruit-of-the-Looms in a twist over it: Lighten up.

Be well!

ssv

 

[Rae]

MJF:
Though it is fictional, it sounds more similar to a Christian worldview than a Pagan one.

Rae:
This is not surprising, considering that the author IS a Christian! She is not a Witch and never has been one. Sheesh.

 

[MyJhongFist]

Originally posted by GraftMeIn
Realy when it comes right down to it. It doesn't matter what others think, it only matters what God thinks.

Originally posted by alphatronics
I read that as "it only matters what I think"

I think it would be better stated:

"It only matters what I think God thinks."   

 

[GraftMeIn]

I find it rather sad that people put words in someones mouth that they never said, or change the meaning of what they have said completely.



When I said it doesn't matter what others think, This also goes for what I think. Am I not not considered one of those others in someone elses eyes? It truly only matters what God thinks. And no one else, not even myself. I would much rather people seek the guidance they need from God on any issue they aren't sure of. All it takes is to ask him to open your eyes to such things.

No one should listen to what I say, or what anyone else says. Instead they should pay close attention to the things God has to show them, and seek guidance from Him and Him Only.

 

 

[laumelilu]

I'm interested what you guys read as Kids? Can't then we say that all fiction books are instruments of the devil!?? It's getting a bit up tight I'm thinking!
I read the Magic Faraway tree, loved every minute of it... sure it didnt say the word "witch or magician" but there was lots of magic involve..

Do we now discard of all fairytales? Snow white and the 7 dwarves, contains a witch - yes she is seen as evil, but the princes magical breathe awakes snow white
Hansel and Grettle - again a witch

The list goes on...

I am under the impression that their is way to much energy being wasted on condeming authors for the contents of their books, especially if it is fiction, and it is very clear that is just that- fiction!

 

[Susan]

Amen lau.

If I started a thread in Prayer on the issue of child hunger. . .I would believe that it would only get 5 to 10 replies at the most before it died away to the back page. This thread has almost 200 (193 to be exact) replies.

Children throughout the world actually die of hunger every 20 seconds, every single day (many without even knowing Who Jesus is! ), and we would not even bother to pray about it.

However, we will debate Harry Potter for hundreds and hundreds of replies, when it is at worst bad reading material that may be a bad influence. (And if you are any kind of parent, you should be able to explain that REAL witchcraft as defined in the Bible is evil.)

No child yet has died from Harry Potter, and there are not enough documented instances of it turning people away from Christ to make it a real concern.

Yet we would rather debate Harry Potter than consider the plight of, pray for, and give to the hungry.

Something is wrong in our priorities as Christians.

 

[conceived in fire]

Amen!!!

Very good point!

 

[seebs]

Well, I think the point is, we all *agree* that hunger is a bad thing, and that it would be really nice if certain dictators stopped starving their people, so there's not much to discuss. You can't have much of a discussion without disagreement.

 

[laumelilu]

Thankyou Susan,

There seems to be a trend in the world at the moment to complain an whinge about anything we possibly can. We can see it in litigation and court cases everywhere suing people for the most ridiculous things i have ever heard, AND WINNING! eg. suing maccas for making them fat! don't get me wrong I want them to sue maccas for all they are worth so they go out of business but not because they are unhealthy an make you fat, there are plenty of other reasons!

I think we need to see the Christian faith turned around, to stop complaining about things that really don't matter and focus on the people of this earth. not just through out money but through our actions, through standing against companies that steal from the poor etc.

Thats what I would like to see before I die

laume

 

[l33tace]

I’m not meaning to start this thread burning again but I have a question that has nothing to do with Witch Craft.

I have not read the books or seen the movies and myself I have no plans to do so since my time is of value to me in concern to other things. I did hear another issue concerning this story that sent alarm to me and that had to do with lying and disobedience to parents.

I heard that lil Harry told a lie/s and made it out as an ethical decision to save a friend or something along those lines. If this is true than is this considered as a good role model example with how the writer depicted this character and action?

And I heard something about disobedience to parents but I know even less about this report.

I’m asking this as a legitimate and sincere question out of my lack of first hand knowledge concerning these stories and I didn’t catch any comments about it in previous posts.

Peace

 

[Rae]

Your question about the lie is too general. Did whoever claimed this about the books give a citation for it? If so, can you find it?

Also, Harry can't disobey his parents. They died when he was 1 year old.

 

[seebs]

Harry is arguably disobedient to his abusive foster parents. As to lying, that is a concern I have; Harry does lie sometimes, although I think they do a good job of making it clear that it's not always the right thing to do. Hermione lies to a teacher to get Harry and Ron out of trouble; this is portrayed as self-sacrifice for friends (a good thing). I don't much approve, but then, self-sacrifice *is* a virtue sometimes.

I wouldn't say it's a real problem from a role-model standpoint. I plan to tell my kids (if/when I have any) that, if they ever find the entire world in danger of being destroyed by an evil sorcerer, that they have my permission to lie or be out after curfew to deal with it, if for some reason no one else can.

 

[coastie]

Originally posted by seebs


I wouldn't say it's a real problem from a role-model standpoint. I plan to tell my kids (if/when I have any) that, if they ever find the entire world in danger of being destroyed by an evil sorcerer, that they have my permission to lie or be out after curfew to deal with it, if for some reason no one else can.

LOL, you mind if I put that in my sig line?