What Will It Take To Finally Admit Something Is Wrong With Our Understanding of the Gospel?

[Gideons300]

What will it take? An economic meltdown? A World war? Anarchy in the streets? Empty grocery shelves? Th stock market falling into a death spiral? How badly does the foundation under our feet have to be shaken to cry out to Him with ALL of our hearts to save us from sin, from self, from the pull of the world, from the wiles and accusations and temptations of the devil?

We Christians are for the most part “good people”. What is wrong with that, you ask? Well, we were never called to be good. We were called to be holy. And not only are we not walking in holiness, as living sacrifices, we are not really bothered that we are not. Truth? You bet.

Do we not see? The promises of God are meant to be our stepping stones to abiding in the vine, where we walk pleasing to Him, where we ask whatsoever we will and it will be done for us, where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

But instead of crying out for God to do as He has assured us He will do, we have set ourselves under preachers and teachers assuring us all is wonderful, and rallied around our mantras of unbelief and logic, our human wisdom. What mantras? Here’s two. We have espoused our excuses that no one is perfect and that we are only human, and with one fell swoop, we have gutted the promises of God to fill us, change us, set us free indeed and to plant our feet on the highway of holiness, making us victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. Welcome to modern day Christianity, possessing the basics of truth in our doctrines but lacking life overflowing.

And you know what? Actually, our mantras are right. We aren’t perfect. And yes, we are only human. We do still reside in bodies of flesh. So where have we erred? We have rested content in our prison cells of self, and quoted Romans 7 as our scriptural backing to excuse the one attribute that Paul did not possess in his battle with the flesh. Contentment to remain there.

Listen. Paul HATED his old carnal nature. He did not use it as an excuse to continue to sin every now and then. He did not rest short of what God had promised him.... free indeed. No, guys, he bemoaned the fact that his sins still ruled him. He longed to please God in everything he did and the fact that he could not left him in a dark place as he tried to defeat the sins that defined him. .

In fact, his struggle against the self-loving old carnal nature brought him to the point he despaired of life itself. He saw himself as a wretched man, declared innocent but still incarcerated, a prisoner to a fallen lower nature that refused to climb down off the throne of his life. He did not rejoice that grace allowed this. He wailed that for some reason, he failed to apprehend what the grace of God promised Him.... a brand new nature that not only wanted to obey, but actually DID obey!

How few there are in these ever darkening last days who are walking in real victory. How rare it is to find souls hungry for the secret of abiding in Jesus, in real victory, and for the love of God to actually flow through them. We are told that contentment with godliness is great gain. We have settled for modest gain and contentment, but without that pesky, elusive, impossible-to-actually-walk-in godliness.

And of all our sins, it is this contentment in our fleshly religious efforts and constant failings that has kept us from the answer we so desperately need. We have made our Christianity a huge machine that cannot have its course corrected because we have refused to heed all the warnings and exhortations God has given us. It has taken on a life of itself and if a major course correction is not taken soon, our end will not be a pretty one.

Do we not see? We are the people spoken of who are healed ‘only slightly’, saying ‘peace, peace’, when there is no peace. We are the ones spoken of in the last days heaping to ourselves teachers that will tickle our itching ears. We are the ones having a form of godliness, but with our lives denying the power of it. We are those who have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness, a license to sin with no fear. Oh, we may not be bold enough (yet) to say that out loud, but the thought has been planted and taken root in the hearts of millions, and with no way to get rid of the weeds, it is going to take a moldbore plow to break up our fallow ground. Delicate weeding will no longer cut it.

We are told that in the last days, men are going to love their own selves MORE than they love God. Their true treasure will be self, pleasure, security, and not God alone. Can we shake ourselves enough to awaken from our religious stupor? I pray so. But know this, if we will not do it willingly, God will do it for us for everything that can be shaken will be. Everything holding us back from absolute surrender and total faith in him to keep us, to change us, to free us from US will be shaken out of our lives.

Do you doubt that the God that loves us would do such a thing? Do not. It is because He loves us so that He will do so. The hour is late. The darkness approaches..... fast. Our doctrines or our error in our doctrines is not the issue and getting them corrected will do nothing to protect us from the coming whirlwind. You see, the problem lies in the condition of our hearts, because our continued sins have allowed a hardness to cover them.

There is an answer to our dilemma. Paul found it. Why? Because he sought it with ALL of his heart. He sowed in tears. And so he reaped in joy, just as God has promised him... and us. Blessed is the one who does not need an economic collapse or roving armed gangs in the streets before he or she turns to the Lord and cries out for God to do what He has so very clearly promised. And what is that? To set us free indeed!

Perilous times are ahead. We can continue to be religious ostriches, burying our heads in the sand, thinking that bing part of the TRUE church or denomination and having our doctrines all neatly sorted out will somehow make us impervious to falling. How we hope that all will continue as it always has, as we enjoy our Sunday services and then return to OUR lives. But it shall not be.

It is that ‘OUR lives’ part that is the problem. We are not our own any longer. We have been bought out of the hand of the devil by the precious blood of the Lord Jesus, to let Him live and love through us. He wants to be the potter of our lives. He wants to fill us with fruits of His own nature. He wants to cause us to obey Him, and smile doing it.

impossible you say? Well, get ready for impossible, ‘cause ready or not, here it comes. We are about to be amazed.... or terrified. It all depends upon who we want to own us and rule over us..... US or HIM in us.

Blessings,

Gideon

 

[food4thought]

I agree that we are not meant to dwell for long in Romans 7, but proceed in victory to Romans 8... I struggle still, though, and do not know how to enter into what God promised. Is it lack of faith? Is it just plain apathy? I just don't know...

 

[Dave L]

Here's my approach to walking in the Spirit.

“Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” (2 Corinthians 10:5) (KJV 1900)

We censor every impure thought or imagination. And change the channel in our thinking on any thought that does not conform to obedience to Christ.

And we replace it with:

“Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8)

Knowing Jesus is God and God is love, Jesus is lord of our lives when love rules our thoughts and actions.

 

[Hammster]

What will it take? An economic meltdown? A World war? Anarchy in the streets? Empty grocery shelves? Th stock market falling into a death spiral? How badly does the foundation under our feet have to be shaken to cry out to Him with ALL of our hearts to save us from sin, from self, from the pull of the world, from the wiles and accusations and temptations of the devil?

We Christians are for the most part “good people”. What is wrong with that, you ask? Well, we were never called to be good. We were called to be holy. And not only are we not walking in holiness, as living sacrifices, we are not really bothered that we are not. Truth? You bet.

Do we not see? The promises of God are meant to be our stepping stones to abiding in the vine, where we walk pleasing to Him, where we ask whatsoever we will and it will be done for us, where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

But instead of crying out for God to do as He has assured us He will do, we have set ourselves under preachers and teachers assuring us all is wonderful, and rallied around our mantras of unbelief and logic, our human wisdom. What mantras? Here’s two. We have espoused our excuses that no one is perfect and that we are only human, and with one fell swoop, we have gutted the promises of God to fill us, change us, set us free indeed and to plant our feet on the highway of holiness, making us victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. Welcome to modern day Christianity, possessing the basics of truth in our doctrines but lacking life overflowing.

And you know what? Actually, our mantras are right. We aren’t perfect. And yes, we are only human. We do still reside in bodies of flesh. So where have we erred? We have rested content in our prison cells of self, and quoted Romans 7 as our scriptural backing to excuse the one attribute that Paul did not possess in his battle with the flesh. Contentment to remain there.

Listen. Paul HATED his old carnal nature. He did not use it as an excuse to continue to sin every now and then. He did not rest short of what God had promised him.... free indeed. No, guys, he bemoaned the fact that his sins still ruled him. He longed to please God in everything he did and the fact that he could not left him in a dark place as he tried to defeat the sins that defined him. .

In fact, his struggle against the self-loving old carnal nature brought him to the point he despaired of life itself. He saw himself as a wretched man, declared innocent but still incarcerated, a prisoner to a fallen lower nature that refused to climb down off the throne of his life. He did not rejoice that grace allowed this. He wailed that for some reason, he failed to apprehend what the grace of God promised Him.... a brand new nature that not only wanted to obey, but actually DID obey!

How few there are in these ever darkening last days who are walking in real victory. How rare it is to find souls hungry for the secret of abiding in Jesus, in real victory, and for the love of God to actually flow through them. We are told that contentment with godliness is great gain. We have settled for modest gain and contentment, but without that pesky, elusive, impossible-to-actually-walk-in godliness.

And of all our sins, it is this contentment in our fleshly religious efforts and constant failings that has kept us from the answer we so desperately need. We have made our Christianity a huge machine that cannot have its course corrected because we have refused to heed all the warnings and exhortations God has given us. It has taken on a life of itself and if a major course correction is not taken soon, our end will not be a pretty one.

Do we not see? We are the people spoken of who are healed ‘only slightly’, saying ‘peace, peace’, when there is no peace. We are the ones spoken of in the last days heaping to ourselves teachers that will tickle our itching ears. We are the ones having a form of godliness, but with our lives denying the power of it. We are those who have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness, a license to sin with no fear. Oh, we may not be bold enough (yet) to say that out loud, but the thought has been planted and taken root in the hearts of millions, and with no way to get rid of the weeds, it is going to take a moldbore plow to break up our fallow ground. Delicate weeding will no longer cut it.

We are told that in the last days, men are going to love their own selves MORE than they love God. Their true treasure will be self, pleasure, security, and not God alone. Can we shake ourselves enough to awaken from our religious stupor? I pray so. But know this, if we will not do it willingly, God will do it for us for everything that can be shaken will be. Everything holding us back from absolute surrender and total faith in him to keep us, to change us, to free us from US will be shaken out of our lives.

Do you doubt that the God that loves us would do such a thing? Do not. It is because He loves us so that He will do so. The hour is late. The darkness approaches..... fast. Our doctrines or our error in our doctrines is not the issue and getting them corrected will do nothing to protect us from the coming whirlwind. You see, the problem lies in the condition of our hearts, because our continued sins have allowed a hardness to cover them.

There is an answer to our dilemma. Paul found it. Why? Because he sought it with ALL of his heart. He sowed in tears. And so he reaped in joy, just as God has promised him... and us. Blessed is the one who does not need an economic collapse or roving armed gangs in the streets before he or she turns to the Lord and cries out for God to do what He has so very clearly promised. And what is that? To set us free indeed!

Perilous times are ahead. We can continue to be religious ostriches, burying our heads in the sand, thinking that bing part of the TRUE church or denomination and having our doctrines all neatly sorted out will somehow make us impervious to falling. How we hope that all will continue as it always has, as we enjoy our Sunday services and then return to OUR lives. But it shall not be.

It is that ‘OUR lives’ part that is the problem. We are not our own any longer. We have been bought out of the hand of the devil by the precious blood of the Lord Jesus, to let Him live and love through us. He wants to be the potter of our lives. He wants to fill us with fruits of His own nature. He wants to cause us to obey Him, and smile doing it.

impossible you say? Well, get ready for impossible, ‘cause ready or not, here it comes. We are about to be amazed.... or terrified. It all depends upon who we want to own us and rule over us..... US or HIM in us.

Blessings,

Gideon

If your understanding of the gospel is wrong, you can correct it.

1 Corinthians 15

 

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[Kris Jordan]

What will it take? An economic meltdown? A World war? Anarchy in the streets? Empty grocery shelves? Th stock market falling into a death spiral? How badly does the foundation under our feet have to be shaken to cry out to Him with ALL of our hearts to save us from sin, from self, from the pull of the world, from the wiles and accusations and temptations of the devil?

We Christians are for the most part “good people”. What is wrong with that, you ask? Well, we were never called to be good. We were called to be holy. And not only are we not walking in holiness, as living sacrifices, we are not really bothered that we are not. Truth? You bet.

Do we not see? The promises of God are meant to be our stepping stones to abiding in the vine, where we walk pleasing to Him, where we ask whatsoever we will and it will be done for us, where we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

But instead of crying out for God to do as He has assured us He will do, we have set ourselves under preachers and teachers assuring us all is wonderful, and rallied around our mantras of unbelief and logic, our human wisdom. What mantras? Here’s two. We have espoused our excuses that no one is perfect and that we are only human, and with one fell swoop, we have gutted the promises of God to fill us, change us, set us free indeed and to plant our feet on the highway of holiness, making us victorious over the world, the flesh and the devil. Welcome to modern day Christianity, possessing the basics of truth in our doctrines but lacking life overflowing.

And you know what? Actually, our mantras are right. We aren’t perfect. And yes, we are only human. We do still reside in bodies of flesh. So where have we erred? We have rested content in our prison cells of self, and quoted Romans 7 as our scriptural backing to excuse the one attribute that Paul did not possess in his battle with the flesh. Contentment to remain there.

Listen. Paul HATED his old carnal nature. He did not use it as an excuse to continue to sin every now and then. He did not rest short of what God had promised him.... free indeed. No, guys, he bemoaned the fact that his sins still ruled him. He longed to please God in everything he did and the fact that he could not left him in a dark place as he tried to defeat the sins that defined him. .

In fact, his struggle against the self-loving old carnal nature brought him to the point he despaired of life itself. He saw himself as a wretched man, declared innocent but still incarcerated, a prisoner to a fallen lower nature that refused to climb down off the throne of his life. He did not rejoice that grace allowed this. He wailed that for some reason, he failed to apprehend what the grace of God promised Him.... a brand new nature that not only wanted to obey, but actually DID obey!

How few there are in these ever darkening last days who are walking in real victory. How rare it is to find souls hungry for the secret of abiding in Jesus, in real victory, and for the love of God to actually flow through them. We are told that contentment with godliness is great gain. We have settled for modest gain and contentment, but without that pesky, elusive, impossible-to-actually-walk-in godliness.

And of all our sins, it is this contentment in our fleshly religious efforts and constant failings that has kept us from the answer we so desperately need. We have made our Christianity a huge machine that cannot have its course corrected because we have refused to heed all the warnings and exhortations God has given us. It has taken on a life of itself and if a major course correction is not taken soon, our end will not be a pretty one.

Do we not see? We are the people spoken of who are healed ‘only slightly’, saying ‘peace, peace’, when there is no peace. We are the ones spoken of in the last days heaping to ourselves teachers that will tickle our itching ears. We are the ones having a form of godliness, but with our lives denying the power of it. We are those who have turned the grace of God into lasciviousness, a license to sin with no fear. Oh, we may not be bold enough (yet) to say that out loud, but the thought has been planted and taken root in the hearts of millions, and with no way to get rid of the weeds, it is going to take a moldbore plow to break up our fallow ground. Delicate weeding will no longer cut it.

We are told that in the last days, men are going to love their own selves MORE than they love God. Their true treasure will be self, pleasure, security, and not God alone. Can we shake ourselves enough to awaken from our religious stupor? I pray so. But know this, if we will not do it willingly, God will do it for us for everything that can be shaken will be. Everything holding us back from absolute surrender and total faith in him to keep us, to change us, to free us from US will be shaken out of our lives.

Do you doubt that the God that loves us would do such a thing? Do not. It is because He loves us so that He will do so. The hour is late. The darkness approaches..... fast. Our doctrines or our error in our doctrines is not the issue and getting them corrected will do nothing to protect us from the coming whirlwind. You see, the problem lies in the condition of our hearts, because our continued sins have allowed a hardness to cover them.

There is an answer to our dilemma. Paul found it. Why? Because he sought it with ALL of his heart. He sowed in tears. And so he reaped in joy, just as God has promised him... and us. Blessed is the one who does not need an economic collapse or roving armed gangs in the streets before he or she turns to the Lord and cries out for God to do what He has so very clearly promised. And what is that? To set us free indeed!

Perilous times are ahead. We can continue to be religious ostriches, burying our heads in the sand, thinking that bing part of the TRUE church or denomination and having our doctrines all neatly sorted out will somehow make us impervious to falling. How we hope that all will continue as it always has, as we enjoy our Sunday services and then return to OUR lives. But it shall not be.

It is that ‘OUR lives’ part that is the problem. We are not our own any longer. We have been bought out of the hand of the devil by the precious blood of the Lord Jesus, to let Him live and love through us. He wants to be the potter of our lives. He wants to fill us with fruits of His own nature. He wants to cause us to obey Him, and smile doing it.

impossible you say? Well, get ready for impossible, ‘cause ready or not, here it comes. We are about to be amazed.... or terrified. It all depends upon who we want to own us and rule over us..... US or HIM in us.

Blessings,

Gideon

Hi Gideon,

I really appreciate your heart and passion which was expressed through your words. I can tell you have a real hunger and desire to see believers grab ahold of Jesus and run with Him.

In all sincerity, it has always been a struggle for me to understand how any believer...someone who has truly been born again by the Spirit of God...doesn't hunger for Jesus and want to live for Him in every sense of the word. But I guess it's hard for me to relate to that because when I got saved at 20, my life literally did a complete 180 overnight - I mean, literally.

I was a "good girl" (according to my definition, ha!), but was living for self. The night I got saved, it was around 1:00am, and when I woke up the next day, I KNEW something was different inside of me. Everything I had hungered for up until that point (success, climbing the corporate ladder, making money, doing my own thing, etc.) was gone. And all I wanted to do was follow Jesus and be around those who were doing the same. I just couldn't get enough.

The pastor who led me to Jesus told me to get into the Word and I did. I ate it up. And it was through reading God's Word and through the Holy Spirit working inside of me that Jesus began transforming my thinking and helping me understand what the Christian life is all about. It's about dying to self and living for Jesus (2 Cor 5:15). That is why I am such a huge "Word" girl - because it had such a huge impact in my life and spiritual growth.

Anyway, I'm sure you didn't intend your post to be a testimonial thread, but I just wanted to tell you that I share (what I believe to be) your same passion for other believers to really grab ahold of Jesus and never let go...and run their race with perseverance and godliness, knowing to Whom we must give an account.

So for whatever that's worth...

 

[GospelS]

What Will It Take To Finally Admit Something Is Wrong With Our Understanding of the Gospel?

It takes eyes that can see and ears that can hear, always. This is what i see all through the bible (Isaiah 6, in all the parables through the NT, and in Rev 2, 3, 13). God was expressing in Isaiah 6:9-10 'You will be ever hearing, but never understanding; you will be ever seeing, but never perceiving.' This people's heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Hebrew; Septuagint

“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their playmates,

“‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’

For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.” (Matt 11:16-19)

 

[anna ~ grace]

Hey, Gideon. Yes, there is much more to the spiritual life than we often sense, admit, and are willing to live out. God be with you, and give all of us strength and grace to finish well.

Our Christian brothers and sisters in Iraq, Syria, North Korea, Egypt, Nigeria, Pakistan, India, and many other countries have a *lot* to teach us. We need to start seeing their trials as our own, because they are. I don't think things will stay quiet here for much longer.

Christ grant us grace, obedience, love, forgetfulness of self, a capacity to forgive, more time in prayer, and true humility and poverty of spirit.

 

[Jen35]

I don't know but I know one way a person can correct themselves is by minding thier own business..what God has for one believer is another thing God has for you..and unless someone first decide to walk and put thier feet in that person's shoes, that person have no right to step on them...and that is not one way to be a good Christian but its a way to practice righteousness in the righteousness of Christ..

 

[Gideons300]

I don't know but I know one way a person can correct themselves is by minding thier own business..what God has for one believer is another thing God has for you..and unless someone first decide to walk and put thier feet in that person's shoes, that person have no right to step on them...and that is not one way to be a good Christian but its a way to practice righteousness in the righteousness of Christ..

Sister, I appreciate you voicing your opinion. Thank you. However, many of us have forgotten that we are our brother's keeper. The key is doing it in love, not in negative judgment.

Many think the parable of the sower is a nice way of saying "Mind your own business", but on further examination of the words of Jesus, we discover the reason we are to remove the beam from our own eye is so that we CAN help another get the mote out of theirs.

If one sees a fire in a house and knows the inhabitant is in great danger, sleeping and possibly dying, should we mind our own business? After all, we do not know them, right? But love and concern constrains us to act.

And as the situation gets more dire, we will even break down their locked door, run upstairs where they sleep and shake them so that they will not die in the fire.

When those who are asleep are awakened by this crazy person shaking them, telling them they are in great danger, their first reaction is to get angry. They do not see the danger. No flames... yet.

Does it really matter how they react? No, not if there is love on your heart. If they choose to remain asleep, it is their choice, but the man who sees the danger and does not warn them will have the blood of those souls inside the house on his hands.

if you think all is A-OK with the church, that is your opinion and you are certainly entitled to it. But God has told me to speak, and speak I must. Woe unto me if I do not.

Does it seem strange to you when a preacher shares a positive message when danger lurks, no one tells them to mind their own business, do they? That is the nature of itching ears, which say "Do not tell me anything negative, such as warnings, exhortations, or the need for repentance and a thorough searching of the heart. I have need of nothing, thank you very much".

Welcome to the world of Laodeciaville It is time we awoke to righteousness and sin not. Now, the pressing question is "How exactly is that done?"

blessings,

Gideon

 

[Jen35]

Yeah but what does a house fire and all that have to do with anything you posted? That's two totally different things. And of course there's nothing wrong with an act of love, no one should have to mind ones business when it comes to an act of kindness or love, those things are always welcome anytime or anyday of our lifetime. And even though we are not suppose to work on the sabbath cause its the Lord day and should be a day of resting and worship, he said that doing good on the sabbath is good because doing something good should never be done with. So whether it's the Sabbath or not , an act of kindness should never stop in our lifetime. This something we should all try to do at least a few times in our life, if not a few times, at least once. We don't have to do many great things because the Lord sees everything and the Bible says he doesn't forget our kindness. And besides Jesus did say, whatever we do to our brothers and sisters, we do it unto him. Because we are his people who belong to him and he doesn't want us to hurt each other cause it hurts him too. And but who is the church? Is the church on this forum? Who are you trying to correct on here for you to make such a post? Can you show me the house fire on here? And well I don't know you or know what people do to see if they have a mote or not..and to be honest theres no righteousness in our own eyes, only beams and motes... It's easy to say you would save some one in a house fire but when that truth becomes a reality can you honestly say to yourself that you will go in that house to save that person? My point is easier said then done. And sometimes we find ourselves in the complete opposite of what we spoke... Someone can say when they get to mickey ds they will order some fries but in the end when they get thier they find themselves ordering something else. Bad example i know but the Bible does say for us not to love with just words but actions and truth as well..

 

[Jen35]

Lol ok I take that back that mickey ds example was bad..haha please ignore that...just try to see my point which was that what I was saying is that its easy for one to talk until one find themselves in the exact situation...

 

[Jen35]

And well let God judge the man then and there could be many reasons the man didn't warn them and turned away, I mean he is a man with human emotions just like Peter who was not only Jesus disciple but a man also with human emotions who betrayed Jesus, the one whom he loved and was close to....and I believe there is also a saying that goes " Innocent Until Proven Guilty'

 

[Hammster]

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
— Romans 10:4

I just want to give a reminder to those who may feel threads like this put a heavy yoke upon them. While the law is the standard by which we live, it’s not a requirement for justification. Christ has ended any requirement of the law for righteousness.

You are now free to love.

 

[Gideons300]

For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
— Romans 10:4

I just want to give a reminder to those who may feel threads like this put a heavy yoke upon them. While the law is the standard by which we live, it’s not a requirement for justification. Christ has ended any requirement of the law for righteousness.

You are now free to love.

I fully agree there is no heavy yoke, but we have been taught there is no yoke at all, and that is no small error.

We have forgotten that we are not our own, we have been bought with a price. We have ignored the call for us to present our bodies as living sacrifices, and assumed that cannot be Christianity because it does not tickle our ears.

The sad part of this shallowness is that in doing so, we rob ourselves of the joy of the Lord, which is only found when we drop all OUR pearls, and let God as the master potter, have His way with us.

You say we are now free to love. But try putting that into practice when someone wrongs us. How free are we then? God has a walk for us called FREE INDEED. But it is discovered only when we reach the point we lay everything at the feet of the Master in order to walk as new creatures.

We are NOT free to live for self. We are rather called to mortify the deeds of the body, to flee all sin, to come to the point we HATE our old nature. As long as we avoid this clear direction from God, we can try to live for self and still seek freedom but no freedom will be found, for there we serve sin and self. The old nature will never bow the knee. It must be put off.

Ahh, but when we bow before Him and like Paul, cry out to deliver us from US, from self rule, from self love, praise God, He answers. There is a land of rest for even the weakest among us, but until our hunger for victory over sin exceeds our contentment without it, we will remain healed only slightly, saying 'peace peace' when there is no peace.

blessings,

walk

 

[Hammster]

I fully agree there is no heavy yoke, but we have been taught there is no yoke at all, and that is no small error.

We have forgotten that we are not our own, we have been bought with a price. We have ignored the call for us to present our bodies as living sacrifices, and assumed that cannot be Christianity because it does not tickle our ears.

The sad part of this shallowness is that in doing so, we rob ourselves of the joy of the Lord, which is only found when we drop all OUR pearls, and let God as the master potter, have His way with us.

You say we are now free to love. But try putting that into practice when someone wrongs us. How free are we then? God has a walk for us called FREE INDEED. But it is discovered only when we reach the point we lay everything at the feet of the Master in order to walk as new creatures.

We are NOT free to live for self. We are rather called to mortify the deeds of the body, to flee all sin, to come to the point we HATE our old nature. As long as we avoid this clear direction from God, we can try to live for self and still seek freedom but no freedom will be found, for there we serve sin and self. The old nature will never bow the knee. It must be put off.

Ahh, but when we bow before Him and like Paul, cry out to deliver us from US, from self rule, from self love, praise God, He answers. There is a land of rest for even the weakest among us, but until our hunger for victory over sin exceeds our contentment without it, we will remain healed only slightly, saying 'peace peace' when there is no peace.

blessings,

walk

Do you think that God is capable of of completing the work He started?

 

[Gideons300]

Yeah but what does a house fire and all that have to do with anything you posted? That's two totally different things. And of course there's nothing wrong with an act of love, no one should have to mind ones business when it comes to an act of kindness or love, those things are always welcome anytime or anyday of our lifetime. And even though we are not suppose to work on the sabbath cause its the Lord day and should be a day of resting and worship, he said that doing good on the sabbath is good because doing something good should never be done with. So whether it's the Sabbath or not , an act of kindness should never stop in our lifetime. This something we should all try to do at least a few times in our life, if not a few times, at least once. We don't have to do many great things because the Lord sees everything and the Bible says he doesn't forget our kindness. And besides Jesus did say, whatever we do to our brothers and sisters, we do it unto him. Because we are his people who belong to him and he doesn't want us to hurt each other cause it hurts him too. And but who is the church? Is the church on this forum? Who are you trying to correct on here for you to make such a post? Can you show me the house fire on here? And well I don't know you or know what people do to see if they have a mote or not..and to be honest theres no righteousness in our own eyes, only beams and motes... It's easy to say you would save some one in a house fire but when that truth becomes a reality can you honestly say to yourself that you will go in that house to save that person? My point is easier said then done. And sometimes we find ourselves in the complete opposite of what we spoke... Someone can say when they get to mickey ds they will order some fries but in the end when they get thier they find themselves ordering something else. Bad example i know but the Bible does say for us not to love with just words but actions and truth as well..

The Laodecian church was told that they made God sick. That unless they repented, He would spew them out of His mouth. Why? Because they were lukewarm to Him and worse yet, were content that way.

That is the house on fire... our house. And how do we react when we hear such words? We get defensive, and angry, and argue that because of our deep understanding of grace, we have need of nothing.That sounds strangely familiar, which riles us up even more.

Can you now see how a house on fire fits?

blessings,

Gids

 

[Gideons300]

Do you think that God is capable of of completing the work He started?

Absolutely! But are you insinuating He will do it in a vacuum, without using men? If that is the case, why witness? Or go to church? Why do anything, for God will do it all, correct? Do you not see that He will use men and women to accomplish His purposes, just as He did in the book of Acts.

Back to the OP, do you see the church walking in 'the glorious liberty of the children of God'? Do you find God's promise to not allow us to be tempted above our ability to stand without caving in to evil's pull effective in the lives of your brothers and sisters? And if not, does that somehow not raise a red flag for you? It should... for every single one of us.

blessings,

Gids

 

[Hazelelponi]

I'm just curious, what makes you think that society being given over to her delusions and perversions is something a believing Christian should prevent?

I mean, what if this is God's Will?

 

[Hammster]

Absolutely! But are you insinuating He will do it in a vacuum, without using men? If that is the case, why witness? Or go to church? Why do anything, for God will do it all, correct? Do you not see that He will use men and women to accomplish His purposes, just as He did in the book of Acts.

Back to the OP, do you see the church walking in 'the glorious liberty of the children of God'? Do you find God's promise to not allow us to be tempted above our ability to stand without caving in to evil's pull effective in the lives of your brothers and sisters? And if not, does that somehow not raise a red flag for you? It should... for every single one of us.

blessings,

Gids

You raise a red flag because you don’t proclaim the gospel as the answer. Paul said that he determined to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified. Everything he preached and taught was done so through that lens. I encourage you to do the same.