Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

[durangodawood]

It's a tenuous argument in my view. Speech is speech. Buying politicians isn't really "speech". Citizens United should be overturned, in my view, The Court found that the "state’s interest in preventing corruption or the appearance of corruption" wasn't compelling enough. I think, given the vast corruption we are living under now, it is vastly compelling. The specious argument was that independent expenditures it banned were by definition "not coordinated or prearranged with a candidate or a campaign" and therefore was not a direct quid pro quo, in which votes are exchanged for money.

Although such expenditures could ingratiate a corporation with and lead to greater access to a candidate, “ingratiation and access…are not corruption.” Yeah, sure. Let's avoid that appearance of impropriety altogether and quit pretending corporations are people. People are people and can vote and speak as they like (well, they could, prior to 2020 when censorship was ubiquitous).

I would hope this is something people from all political "sides" could get behind.

But the precision of the liberal / conservative scotus split on this topic makes me wonder. It would be unusual for people from any side to cut against the sentiments of their own bloc in the supreme court.

 

[Aldebaran]

Let's test that by having President Biden testify in front of the House "Oversight" Committee.

Or better yet, let's test his ability to remain president by having him engage in a debate against his political opponents. Would his handlers allow such a thing? If not, then they realize he couldn't handle it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Or better yet, let's test his ability to remain president by having him engage in a debate against his political opponents. Would his handlers allow such a thing? If not, then they realize he couldn't handle it.

Just wait a year. He'll be debating ex-President Trump once they can work out a schedule around Trump's court dates.

 

[Aldebaran]

Just wait a year. He'll be debating ex-President Trump once they can work out a schedule around Trump's court dates.

Do you think biden can keep pretending to be able to hold it together for another year?

 

[NxNW]

Do you think biden can keep pretending to be able to hold it together for another year?

Among Biden, Trump, and McConnell, if I had to bet on who will be holding public office a year from now, I'd bet on Biden.

 

[Mayzoo]

I don't really think that 99% of us here have a normal party. I certainly don't.

I suspect most are like me who will vote for who they feel will do the best regardless of affiliation. Sadly, it appears I will have no one to vote for in 2024 as there is no "better of the two". Both choices will be unacceptable. It will be my first time not voting since I turned 18.

 

[RDKirk]

President Joseph R. Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll found more than three-quarters of adults surveyed, or 77%, believe Mr. Biden, 80, is too old to run for reelection.

Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

President Joe Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

www.washingtontimes.com

I thought he was too old the first time. And he is.

 

[RDKirk]

Shouldn't people be allowed to enjoy life in retirement once life gets towards the end, regardless if they are still mentally sharp or not? I think this should apply to politicians as well. People in their 80s+ deserve a break. And no, I'm not talking about only Biden here. This applies to both ends.

"Sharp" is a matter of perspective and directions.

I'm 70 years old. Old people can continue to be "sharp" in a particular field that they've been in all along. Warren Buffet is sharp in finance even in his old age.

But we're not as mentally agile as we once were. Fifty years ago, Buffet could have switched to law or medicine or computer programming. He can't do that now, at least not to gaining a degree of professional proficiency.

What's more, our psychological priorities were burned into place back in our 40s and 50s. What we held as top priorities back then...we will always hold as top priorities. We might intellectually understand that there are new urgencies today...but those won't be what keep us awake at night. The new urgencies of today won't be what pique the attention of a Biden or a Trump in tomorrow's daily briefing as things he must attend to right now, ahead of the old stuff he's accustomed to. Things that must be done today to prevent catastrophes 20 years from now will fly under their psychological radar.

 

[RDKirk]

In ineffective Biden is a far better world than an effective Trump.

It's a turnabout situation.

In a Biden presidency, I fear an ineffective president who allows his wing-nut staff to rubber stamp his name onto all sorts of wing-nut executive actions.

In a Trump presidency, I fear a wing-nut president who will override his conservative staff with all sorts of wing-nut executive actions.

 

[Yttrium]

I suspect most are like me who will vote for who they feel will do the best regardless of affiliation. Sadly, it appears I will have no one to vote for in 2024 as there is no "better of the two". Both choices will be unacceptable. It will be my first time not voting since I turned 18.

I don't want Biden to run, but at least if his health fails, I don't mind his replacement. I can certainly take him and Harris over Trump.

I wouldn't vote for Biden against any other Republican candidate, though. There are several Republican candidates I could easily vote for. There are a few I wouldn't vote for, and I've skipped presidential votes before.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do you think biden can keep pretending to be able to hold it together for another year?

Sure, dude, sure. Biden's more coherent than half of the posters here.

 

[RileyG]

Sure, dude, sure. Biden's more coherent than half of the posters here.

Good one!

 

[FireDragon76]

Compared to McConnell or Feinstein, Biden is in excellent health. Yesterday, Sen. McConnell appeared to have an absence seizure when asked what he planned to do about re-election. The second time this year that has happened.

 

[Aldebaran]

Among Biden, Trump, and McConnell, if I had to bet on who will be holding public office a year from now, I'd bet on Biden.

He may be in public office (meaning only that his term won't have ended by then), but the question is whether or not biden can keep pretending to be holding it together for that long. He can't even go to Hawaii and do the right thing without insulting the victims there and trivializing their situation. No wonder his handlers initially tried to prevent him from going there. That certainly won't help him retain support in that state.

 

[Aldebaran]

Sure, dude, sure. Biden's more coherent than half of the posters here.

Half the posters here don't equate a small kitchen fire to the loss of an entire town. Hardly coherent, especially when he started falling asleep while the actual fire victims were speaking.

 

[FireDragon76]

He may be in public office (meaning only that his term won't have ended by then), but the question is whether or not biden can keep pretending to be holding it together for that long. He can't even go to Hawaii and do the right thing without insulting the victims there and trivializing their situation. No wonder his handlers initially tried to prevent him from going there. That certainly won't help him retain support in that state.

When did he insult Hawaii? No credible news outlet has reported that.

Hawaii is deep blue, and it's demographics are predominantly Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders. In the last election, they voted against Trump by a large margin.

 

[Aldebaran]

When did he insult Hawaii? No credible news outlet has reported that.

Hawaii is deep blue, and it's demographics are predominantly Asian-Americans and Pacific Islanders. In the last election, they voted against Trump by a large margin.

That was before they lost everything and got to endure biden's visit where he thought his own experience with a minor kitchen fire that supposedly endangered his '67 Corvette and his cat equipped him with an understanding of what the people of Hawaii have gone through (losing homes, businesses, jobs, loved ones, etc.)

Giving them $700 to get them back on their feet while giving billions to Ukraine at the same time didn't help either.
It'll be interesting if Hawaiians show up at the polls to vote for biden after this.

 

[FireDragon76]

That was before they lost everything and got to endure biden's visit where he thought his own experience with a minor kitchen fire that supposedly endangered his '67 Corvette and his cat equipped him with an understanding of what the people of Hawaii have gone through (losing homes, businesses, jobs, loved ones, etc.)

That's not an insult. That's an attempt to relate to somebody else's situation.

Giving them $700 to get them back on their feet while giving billions to Ukraine at the same time didn't help either.

How do you know the majority of Hawaiians don't support Ukraine?

It'll be interesting if Hawaiians show up at the polls to vote for biden after this.

They almost certainly will, judging by past voting patterns. None of the other Republican candidates have much to offer Hawaii.

 

[Aldebaran]

That's not an insult. That's an attempt to relate to somebody else's situation.

Poorly, and with condescension.
Like hearing someone has cancer and replying, "Yeah, I know what you're going through. I just got over having a cold".
His "No comment" (twice) when asked about Hawaii before the trip certainly didn't help.

How do you know the majority of Hawaiians don't support Ukraine?

Enough to sit in the ashes while their tax dollars go to a foreign country for people to kill each other instead of immediately needed assistance for Hawaiians?

They almost certainly will, judging by past voting patterns. None of the other Republican candidates have much to offer Hawaii.

Are any of them the current president?

 

[wing2000]

Giving them $700 to get them back on their feet while giving billions to Ukraine at the same time didn't help either.

We gave "billions" to a Ukranian family to get back on their feet?