Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

[MotoToTheMax]

That's ageism. It's also foolish. Older people have alot of experience of the world, and potentially alot of wisdom.

I just told you I was shamelessly ageist. They're free to give experience, advice, wisdom or whatever to a President who is younger and asks for it.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That's ageism. It's also foolish. Older people have alot of experience of the world, and potentially alot of wisdom.

It depends on the one hand they have a lot of wisdom on the other some of them are either so set in their ways they are out of touch ( making them not very good leaders OR their health is to the point where it would be reasonable that they may not be able to complete their term if that is the case and you know it then you do not need to be running.

 

[FireDragon76]

It depends on the one hand they have a lot of wisdom on the other some of them are either so set in their ways they are out of touch ( making them not very good leaders OR their health is to the point where it would be reasonable that they may not be able to complete their term if that is the case and you know it then you do not need to be running.

I go to church with quite a few people in their 70's and 80's. One guy is even in his 90's. They may be set in their ways in certain respects, but not in important ways that matter.

The idea that older people are intransigently conservative and set in their ways reflects an unhealthy kind of aging, but it isn't inevitable.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Honestly, pretty much anyone but the two choices we got. :/

The republicans in particular still have a number of choices, Even though it CERTAINLY appears it will be Trump on the final ballot, but the reality is that not a single primary has been held which means that we have not even begun to officially make any choices.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I go to church with quite a few people in their 70's and 80's. One guy is even in his 90's. They may be set in their ways in certain respects, but not in important ways that matter.

The idea that older people are intransigently conservative and set in their ways reflects an unhealthy kind of aging, but it isn't inevitable.

If you are so set in your ways that you are not willing to even try to keep up with the times in respect to things like tech I am not talking about moral issues then that is a problem. If you KNOW your health is likely to begin failing before the end of your term do not run.

 

[FireDragon76]

If you are so set in your ways that you are not willing to even try to keep up with the times in respect to things like tech I am not talking about moral issues then that is a problem. If you KNOW your health is likely to begin failing before the end of your term do not run.

Why do people have to keep up with tech? That seems a superficial way to judge somebody's character or value as a human being and a member of a community.

I don't even own a smartphone myself. I have no real use for them.

 

[dzheremi]

In a tight race, 1% or less can decide the race. Independents compose more than 1% of voters.

As this Administration is setting us on the fast track for WWIII; I seriously question Biden's continued ability to perform as CiC.

Do you really think the race is going to be that tight this time around, though? Particularly with the distinct possibility (not that it's likely, since rich people don't go to jail, but it's certainly possible) that one of the two candidates could be busy making license plates great again by inauguration day?

 

[FireDragon76]

Do you really think the race is going to be that tight this time around, though? Particularly with the distinct possibility (not that it's likely, since rich people don't go to jail, but it's certainly possible) that one of the two candidates could be busy making license plates great again by inauguration day?

I don't see it being that close, either. The first Republican presidential debates were full of lots of little precious gifts to anybody who wants to make campaign ads in the general elections. DeSantis's response as to whether he'ld support a convicted felon as a candidate, in particular, was priceless.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Why do people have to keep up with tech? That seems a superficial way to judge somebody's character or value as a human being and a member of a community.

I don't even own a smartphone myself. I have no real use for them.

Why well because that is part of modern life and you should not expect people to "go old school" for you just because you are so stuck in your ways and too lazy frankly to keep up with the times. The world will not stop for you so do not expect it do so.

 

[FireDragon76]

Why well because that is part of modern life and you should not expect people to "go old school" for you just because you are so stuck in your ways

I don't.

and too lazy frankly to keep up with the times.

That's rude and presumptuous. I do keep up with the times and I'm very computer literate. I just exercise a degree of discernment about how I consume technology and spend my money.

 

[Belk]

The republicans in particular still have a number of choices, Even though it CERTAINLY appears it will be Trump on the final ballot, but the reality is that not a single primary has been held which means that we have not even begun to officially make any choices.

I'm feeling fatalistic that our choices are already set. If it turns out differently I will be pleasantly surprised.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I don't.



Hey, don't call me lazy. That's rude. I do keep up with the times and I'm very computer literate. I just exercise a degree of discernment about how I consume technology and spend my money.

which is fine because that IS keeping up with the times. Maybe I should have been clearer I do not expect people to use tech if they do not want to do so, but they should have a basic understanding and a basic and ability to use basic tech that is used by the average member of society on a daily basis. For the record I do not own a cell phone of any kind.

 

[FireDragon76]

Most technology being marketed to people are not things people actually need, anyways. I have never needed a robot vacuum, or a coffee maker, or anything like that. All these things do is enrich big corporations and create e-waste.

There's nothing wrong with saying "no" to some kinds of technology.

 

[eleos1954]

President Joseph R. Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll found more than three-quarters of adults surveyed, or 77%, believe Mr. Biden, 80, is too old to run for reelection.

Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

President Joe Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

www.washingtontimes.com

I don't think age is so much the issue .... it's a matter if one has cognitive thinking or not. It is true that many times older people can lose their cognitive thinking .... but not always.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Being president of the US isn't the same as flying an airplane. Presidents rarely have to make decisions comparable to what a pilot would have to make.

We allow 80 year old people to drive cars, we should allow 80 year old people to be president.

I'd say being a president is far more impactful than being a pilot on a commercial airplane.

...as well as much more (potentially costly) decisions.


With regards to driving (the example you mentioned), more and more states are making stricter requirements for elderly people with regards to license renewal and testing frequency.

Elderly Driving Laws By State

Each state has its own rules for elderly drivers. A driver’s license won’t be revoked just because of being a certain age, but some states do have different rules for license renewals for elderly people. State Laws for Elderly Drivers Some age-specific laws for each state include: Alabama –...

www.taosinjurylawyers.com

For a lot of the states, the stricter requirements start kicking as early as 65.

States are implementing these laws for good reason.

Per the CDC and National Safety Council
Adults 70+ have higher crash (and higher crash death) rates than their 35-54 counterparts. The reasons they cite:
Age-related changes in vision, physical functioning, reaction time, and the ability to reason and remember


Another state level study found that in my home state of Ohio (which is one the states that doesn't have any special elderly driving requirements) found that people over 70 were disproportionally responsible for more fatal car crashes and injuries.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Simply put, I haven't found any other job I'd rather have an 80 year old do rather than a 30-60 year old. That we allow such old people to be president is OK, but it wouldn't be my preferred choice for sure. Retirement is a thing for a reason. Running a government shouldn't be in the hands of relics.

Correct.

I don't know how or why acknowledging the statistical realities of aging (the physical, cognitive, health, and mortality components) started getting labelled as an "ism".

And while it's true that Republicans didn't seem to care about age until Biden got elected, the inverse is true, where many democrats didn't seem to get defensive about rationalizing a really old person being president until after republicans started talking about Biden's age.


The talking points from Democrats and left leaning publications were very different in 2016.

Is Donald Trump Too Old to Be President?

Science says brain function often declines noticeably at that age, but the oldsters in the presidential race might be exceptions to the rule.

www.politico.com

WaPo ran an article questioning Trump's age (during primary season where it wasn't yet determined that Biden would be the nominee yet where they said:
Trump declared he felt like a young man. At 72, he is not, though he is slightly younger than Biden, 76. Corny machismo is a feature of the pair’s relationship, with each at various points suggesting they could beat the other in a fistfight.

Again, neither man is young. They are way down at the far end of the distribution of the U.S. population.

Former Texas congressman Beto O’Rourke, 46, is known for jumping up on tables to give speeches at campaign events. It is hard to imagine Trump doing something similar.



If Biden was literally their only shot at beating the GOP in 2024, I'd perhaps understand the inclination to downplay the age-related challenges, but it's not like the Democrats have an empty bench. I can think of 3 or 4 off the top of my head that would perform well in a general election and already have some built-in name recognition.

 

[FireDragon76]

Ageism isn't a new "ism". It's been widely recognized as unjustified prejudice against the elderly for some time.

Only seeing aging in negative terms is typical of ageism.

Frankly I'm shocked that this prejudice would obtain purchase with Christians. It violates the generally accepted notion in Christianity, that our elders should be honored generally, just as we should honor our father and mother.

 

[dzheremi]

Most technology being marketed to people are not things people actually need, anyways. I have never needed a robot vacuum, or a coffee maker, or anything like that. All these things do is enrich big corporations and create e-waste.

I can only speak for myself, but having a robot mop versus just not being able to mop anything due to balance problems related to disability has been a pretty big game-changer for me. I'm going to guess that many things that can be seen as unnecessary or 'luxury' purchases that enable people to be lazy are probably like that, being quite useful to a different demographic than the one they are primarily marketed to.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

I can only speak for myself, but having a robot mop versus just not being able to mop anything due to balance problems related to disability has been a pretty big game-changer for me. I'm going to guess that many things that can be seen as unnecessary or 'luxury' purchases that enable people to be lazy are probably like that, being quite useful to a different demographic than the one they are primarily marketed to.

One of my friends had a stroke a few years ago and her final child just moved to college. She's dependent on some of these "luxuries" now.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ageism isn't a new "ism". It's been widely recognized as unjustified prejudice against the elderly for some time.

Only seeing aging in negative terms is typical of ageism.

Frankly I'm shocked that this prejudice would obtain purchase with Christians. It violates the generally accepted notion in Christianity, that our elders should be honored generally, just as we should honor our father and mother.

What you refer to as "prejudice" is actually recognition.
If a person is very old and showing signs of cognitive decline, it is ageism to revoke their driver's license? If they're showing signs of dementia, should they still live on their own?
It's not unchristian to see the reality of declination with age. Age denialism is dangerous though.