Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

[FireDragon76]

Well then consider me ageist in the same sense I'm not going to support 8 year olds getting driver's licenses.
Another analogy is I'm a proud species-ist in that I'll always put human lives over non-human lives.

That's not analogous. There's no reason an 80 year old would necessarily have dementia, just because they are a senior citizen. And there are 8 year olds that do have dementia, unfortunately.

 

[MotoToTheMax]

That's not analogous. There's no reason an 80 year old would necessarily have dementia, just because they are a senior citizen. And there are 8 year olds that do have dementia, unfortunately.

Dementia has nothing to do with my reasoning. Dementia wasn't even in the quoted post either.

 

[FireDragon76]

Dementia has nothing to do with my reasoning. Dementia wasn't even in the quoted post either.

Then what, short of blind prejudice, is the basis of your reasoning?

 

[rjs330]

"believe Mr. Biden, 80, is too old to run for reelection. More than half, 51%, said former Republican President Donald Trump,"

There is the bias.

The poll also shows a more important finding that the majority of dems and repubs agree that an age limitation for Congress, the Supreme Court and the President. I agree.

It sounds like the minimum age limit to be president should be raised to 78 or so.

 

[rjs330]

Let's face it. Bidens not running the show. His staff is.

I know we blame Biden for a lot of things. But really some of it's not his fault. He's just doing what he's told. And since he's the president figurehead he gets the blame.

 

[Pommer]

Let's face it. Bidens not running the show. His staff is.

I know we blame Biden for a lot of things. But really some of it's not his fault. He's just doing what he's told. And since he's the president figurehead he gets the blame.

Besides he’s so busy what with running the International Crime Syndicate he heads.
Pfft

 

[RileyG]

Let's face it. Bidens not running the show. His staff is.

I know we blame Biden for a lot of things. But really some of it's not his fault. He's just doing what he's told. And since he's the president figurehead he gets the blame.

exactly!

 

[wing2000]

Let's face it. Bidens not running the show. His staff is.

I know we blame Biden for a lot of things. But really some of it's not his fault. He's just doing what he's told. And since he's the president figurehead he gets the blame.

Biden is accountable for the decisions he makes, just as every POTUS is. The buck stops with hin. His decisions that for the most part, have been sound, reflecting the quality of the cabinet members and other staff members. I'm sure the partisans here will disagree, but it seems some chose to forget the chaos that ruled the last administration.

Biden, who has more experience than any recent POTUS, is not a Reagan, Bush Jr or Trump who could easily be influenced and manipulated by their advisors.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

He is. I was really hoping for two different candidates. Nikki Haley vs Pete Buttigieg would of been interesting.

I'd be okay with Chris Christie vs. Gavin Newsom... at the very least, the debates would be entertaining.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It is ageist to arbitrarily exclude people due to age. The cognitive declines associated with aging are by no means uniform.

They're not uniform, but they're likely enough that it's cause for concern.

Combine that with what I linked earlier:
If you're 70, you have a 12% chance of dying in the next 5 years.

If you're 80, that jumps to close to a 1/3 chance. By mid-80's, it's a 2/3 chance.


There's a reason why commercial airline pilots can't be over 65. It's not because they think all 65+ would be incapable performing the task, it's because they're doing a risk calculation based on the trends and averages.

Same is true at the younger end of the spectrum. For instance, I'm sure it's not hard some 18-19 year olds who be mature enough to responsibly handle certain things, but we as a society have done the risk calculations and determined to set the age at 21 for those things based on the averages.

Setting a maximum age of 70 for running for president is no more ageist than setting the minimum age for alcohol at 21.

 

[FireDragon76]

They're not uniform, but they're likely enough that it's cause for concern.

Combine that with what I linked earlier:
If you're 70, you have a 12% chance of dying in the next 5 years.

If you're 80, that jumps to close to a 1/3 chance. By mid-80's, it's a 2/3 chance.


There's a reason why commercial airline pilots can't be over 65. It's not because they think all 65+ would be incapable performing the task, it's because they're doing a risk calculation based on the trends and averages.

Being president of the US isn't the same as flying an airplane. Presidents rarely have to make decisions comparable to what a pilot would have to make.

We allow 80 year old people to drive cars, we should allow 80 year old people to be president.

 

[JustOneWay]

Well then consider me ageist in the same sense I'm not going to support 8 year olds getting driver's licenses.
Another analogy is I'm a proud species-ist in that I'll always put human lives over non-human lives.

The only benefit for Biden is that I'm voting for 1 old person I think is less bad than another old person (Trump).
If it came down to Ramaswamy and Biden , I'd still vote for Biden through policy alone.
Haley vs. Biden would give me pause and I could see myself going for Haley but I'm not sure yet.

When we dig further into the polling, we also discover that trump is considered liar/dishonest/untrustworthy/corrupt/criminal/crooked by 23% of those polled compared to just 8% for Biden.

Both are old guys, so I will choose the one who is less likely to be liar/dishonest/untrustworthy/corrupt/criminal/crooked.

Biden’s age is a significant concern for voters - AP-NORC

Three-quarters of the public think Joe Biden is too old to serve another term, including 69% of Democrats.

apnorc.org

 

[Tropical Wilds]

President Joseph R. Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

The Associated Press-NORC Center for Public Affairs Research poll found more than three-quarters of adults surveyed, or 77%, believe Mr. Biden, 80, is too old to run for reelection.

Poll shows Biden viewed as too old to ‘effectively serve’ another term

President Joe Biden is too old to “effectively serve” another four-year term, according to a new poll.

www.washingtontimes.com

Biden isn’t my first choice and yes, he's too old, but better him than Trump or DeSantis.

This is all just skewed anyway. If Biden is too old, so is Trump who, if (God forbid) re-elected would also be an 80 year old president, but that’s never brought up in these discussions. Between the two, I’d pick the 80 year old with ethics who has the interests of America and it’s people at heart, vs the 80 year old racist, sexist criminal with only his own self-interests at heart.

 

[Belk]

I'd be okay with Chris Christie vs. Gavin Newsom... at the very least, the debates would be entertaining.

Honestly, pretty much anyone but the two choices we got. :/

 

[MotoToTheMax]

Then what, short of blind prejudice, is the basis of your reasoning?

Simply put, I haven't found any other job I'd rather have an 80 year old do rather than a 30-60 year old. That we allow such old people to be president is OK, but it wouldn't be my preferred choice for sure. Retirement is a thing for a reason. Running a government shouldn't be in the hands of relics.

 

[FireDragon76]

Simply put, I haven't found any other job I'd rather have an 80 year old do rather than a 30-60 year old. That we allow such old people to be president is OK, but it wouldn't be my preferred choice for sure. Retirement is a thing for a reason. Running a government shouldn't be in the hands of relics.

That's ageism. It's also foolish. Older people have alot of experience of the world, and potentially alot of wisdom.

 

[PsaltiChrysostom]

For me, as an older GenXer, I just want better representation from my generation. We're the transition generation that grew up before the technology explosion. I simply feel under represented at times not only in government but business as well. But hey, whatever...

 

[dogs4thewin]

If this is true; and the Democrats can't put forth anyone better than Biden; then I will be forced to hold my nose and vote for Trump.

I will only vote for Trump if he gets on the final ballot not in the primary. I have a feeling he will be on the final ballot, but then again I have been wrong before.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That's ageism. It's also foolish. Older people have alot of experience of the world, and potentially alot of wisdom.

I do not care how old somebody is if they are mentally losing it then they do not need to be in a position of authority. If they have health issues to the point that it is fairly unlikely they will be able to complete the term ( whatever it is then they probably should not run for that position. I do not care if the person is 40 or 80.

 

[FireDragon76]

For me, as an older GenXer, I just want better representation from my generation. We're the transition generation that grew up before the technology explosion. I simply feel under represented at times not only in government but business as well. But hey, whatever...

I can relate to that but it seems we weren't dealt the cards. We were born during a baby bust (I'm a younger Gen-X'er).

In some ways, Gen-X could be a mediating force (we've got far more experience listening to the Boomers than Millenials or Gen Z), but Millenials and Gen Z don't seem interested in listening to us, seemingly unaware of our existence.

To which I say, "whatever..."