Magnetic Bracelets

[Paul of Eugene OR]

. . .From what I have learned, the earth's magnetic field is diminishing, it is also at a frequency of 8 Hz. . . .

No, the earth's magnetic field does NOT have a frequency of 8 Hz.

It is, however, weaker than it was a thousand or so years ago. It's due for a flip of its axis, you know . . .

 

[Nithavela]

I just want to close my participation in this thread (unless something new and amazing is added) by mentioning that one side of the discussion cites scientific papers and studies, and the other side's arguments usually begin with "my co-worker".

 

[Heissonear]

My view is that there is more to learn. Plenty of ignorance still exists.

 

[JacksBratt]

No, the earth's magnetic field does NOT have a frequency of 8 Hz.

It is, however, weaker than it was a thousand or so years ago. It's due for a flip of its axis, you know . . .

What do you figure the frequency is then?

From: http://www.active-water.com/en/schumann_frequency.html

Effective treatment with 7.83 Hertz
pulsating magnetic fields
The vitally important 7.83 Hertz frequency is named after the German scientist Winfried Otto Schumann.

Schumann frequency and space travel
Astronauts returned to earth physically and mentally exhausted from the first space trips. Initially this so-called "space sickness" was a mystery. Researchers discovered the cause; unlike earth, space lacks a magnetic field. The solution was to provide, at great cost, the vitally important frequency of the earth’s magnetic field in space.

Schumann frequency – the "matrix of all life"?
The brain researcher Michael Hutchison calls 7.83 Hertz the electromagnetic matrix for all life on this planet, the frequency at which all life forms have developed and, until a few decades ago, the prevailing electromagnetic frequency at which all life took place. Artificially generated frequencies are increasingly interfering with our natural frequencies. The electricity network, for example, is now no longer regarded as harmless by a growing number of scientists. The effect of "electronic smog" will be an extremely explosive topic in future. The problem of external frequencies is that we can neither see, hear nor smell these with our normal senses. The example of the space travellers clearly shows the vitally important function of 7.83 Hertz for Man and life in itself

Schumann frequency and its effects on the body
The way the earth’s pulsating frequency operates can now be explained in detail. Applying the earth’s frequency to the human body has been shown in double blind studies and in practical application to have definite positive results with many disorders. The success of therapy with 7.83 Hertz pulsating magnetic fields very clearly demonstrates the importance of this frequency.

The human brain in a healthy state has also been shown to oscillate at 7.83 Hertz. Consequently our brains are in a natural state of resonance with the earth. The loss of this characteristic would result in not insignificant limitations to our vitality and health.

In just the same way the natural oscillations of water can be disrupted or superimposed by artificially generated frequencies. In addition the information-bearing structures can be destroyed on the long journey through the pipes. If this is the case, water can no longer fulfil its regulatory role in the body properly. The Schumann frequency is all the more important here.

 

[Nithavela]

What do you figure the frequency is then?

From: http://www.active-water.com/en/schumann_frequency.html

Effective treatment with 7.83 Hertz
pulsating magnetic fields
The vitally important 7.83 Hertz frequency is named after the German scientist Winfried Otto Schumann.

Schumann frequency and space travel
Astronauts returned to earth physically and mentally exhausted from the first space trips. Initially this so-called "space sickness" was a mystery. Researchers discovered the cause; unlike earth, space lacks a magnetic field. The solution was to provide, at great cost, the vitally important frequency of the earth’s magnetic field in space.

Schumann frequency – the "matrix of all life"?
The brain researcher Michael Hutchison calls 7.83 Hertz the electromagnetic matrix for all life on this planet, the frequency at which all life forms have developed and, until a few decades ago, the prevailing electromagnetic frequency at which all life took place. Artificially generated frequencies are increasingly interfering with our natural frequencies. The electricity network, for example, is now no longer regarded as harmless by a growing number of scientists. The effect of "electronic smog" will be an extremely explosive topic in future. The problem of external frequencies is that we can neither see, hear nor smell these with our normal senses. The example of the space travellers clearly shows the vitally important function of 7.83 Hertz for Man and life in itself

Schumann frequency and its effects on the body
The way the earth’s pulsating frequency operates can now be explained in detail. Applying the earth’s frequency to the human body has been shown in double blind studies and in practical application to have definite positive results with many disorders. The success of therapy with 7.83 Hertz pulsating magnetic fields very clearly demonstrates the importance of this frequency.

The human brain in a healthy state has also been shown to oscillate at 7.83 Hertz. Consequently our brains are in a natural state of resonance with the earth. The loss of this characteristic would result in not insignificant limitations to our vitality and health.

In just the same way the natural oscillations of water can be disrupted or superimposed by artificially generated frequencies. In addition the information-bearing structures can be destroyed on the long journey through the pipes. If this is the case, water can no longer fulfil its regulatory role in the body properly. The Schumann frequency is all the more important here.

This is a site bent on selling a product. Is this your idea of a reputable source?

 

[PsychoSarah]

Hi there.

So what's up with these magnetic bracelets?

Are they efficacious?

What are the consequences of having the iron in our blood passing through a magnetic field?

The power of the placebo effect. I am actually very suggestible when it comes to this sort of thing, so even though I know such bracelets should do absolutely nothing, when I wore one once, I felt more stable, but I also felt super heavy.

My mind is the greatest troll in my life, gosh darn it, I know it is hogwash brain, stop making me perceive an effect!

 

[SkyWriting]

Hey guy's, I wear a magnetic necklace. I know, I know, it's a placebo, right? That's what my son keeps telling me as he chuckles. It's all in your head, Dad.

Well, I sold these for a company as a little side business just to earn enough to get mine for free....

A guy at work had a golden retriever, it was older and had arthritis. The vet wanted to put it down, the owner said he had to carry it up and down stairs and it was walking really slow and never played anymore, go figure.....

He asked if they made magnetic products for animals. I said, ya, they have a magnetic collar. He told me not to tell anyone, as, like everyone at my work that are scientific people, he was not convinced it was anything more than a gimmick. He was willing to fork over the money to check it out for his loving pet.

So, he buys one and puts it on the dog. Well... the dog changed. It was able to run up and down stairs, played fetch and was acting like a young dog again after a couple of weeks. His neighbor asked what med's the vet had put the dog on cause they had the same problem with their dog.

I guess what I'm saying is that it is tough to convince an animal enough to invoke a placebo affect.

From what I have learned, the earth's magnetic field is diminishing, it is also at a frequency of 8 Hz. This frequency is beneficial and actually necessary for mitosis. Electric magnetism is at 60 Hz which is detrimental to our bodies. The south pole of a permanent magnet has one effect and the north has another. One is healing one is for increased energy.
The magnetism increases blood flow when worn on the body and polarizes the blood components.

Anyway, placebo or not. My migraines are far less frequent and far less severe, so I'm going with it. I just bought a new one as my old one broke. best $40.00 I spent for my lively hood.

So, chuckle or laugh..... something is up and I don't care. My life is better either way.

I've changed my Dog's diet. Same results. Some days she is hurting, others chipper.
It's not unusual for a dog to get better. But on and off with
HipBones Dog Treats they do work for her.

 

[NothingIsImpossible]

I feel sad for those on here who are so ignorant about it working that they insult anyone who has had it work. Taking a fake pill that doesn't do anything, but you think it helped is one thing. But these are migraines (well in my case). Migraines are painful and don't magically go away because I want them too with a magnetic band. Its easy to say "Well its a placebo!" but can you prove it? How does a migraine disappear after wearing the head band? I've had them my whole life, I think I know better then anyone else what works and doesn't. Even my doctors who are part of a world renown place (Cleveland Clinic) have said it does work for some people and most of them don't know why. Though one hinted it has something to do with our bodies and magnets. And if you know anything about CC, its that they are VERY strict about things. They would rather prescribe pills or treatments that take place there then some natural thing because obviously a natural thing would mean less money for them. Though they do make exceptions sometimes like if you have cancer.

Now if it doesn't work for you does that mean it must not be real? No because that is illogical. There are alot of things in life that don;t work for people, but it doesn't mean its not real. If you can't drive stickshift over automatic, does that mean stickshift doesn't actually work? If you can't cook a steak does it mean its uncookable in general? What about prescription meds? Some meds don't work for certain people, does that mean those meds that don't work aren't real either?

 

[JacksBratt]

I've changed my Dog's diet. Same results. Some days she is hurting, others chipper.
It's not unusual for a dog to get better. But on and off with
HipBones Dog Treats they do work for her.

The people that bought the dog collar did not mention anything about on again off again results. They basically said that the dog was back to being it's old self, all the time. So, I guess, not the "same results".

They could not say enough about the results. Also, like I said before, giving a dog a new collar, in my opinion, is not even close to enough change, attention, stimulus, or affection to evoke a placebo affect in a canine. Not enough for the dog to think or grasp that the collar is the master's attempt to help with it's condition.

You may believe otherwise. Many others will agree with you. However, I'm not buying it.

I'm quite sure that doctors, who have been educated and that education has been subsidized by the pharmaceutical giants, will obviously thumb their nose at any such treatment.

 

[JacksBratt]

I feel sad for those on here who are so ignorant about it working that they insult anyone who has had it work. Taking a fake pill that doesn't do anything, but you think it helped is one thing. But these are migraines (well in my case). Migraines are painful and don't magically go away because I want them too with a magnetic band. Its easy to say "Well its a placebo!" but can you prove it? How does a migraine disappear after wearing the head band? I've had them my whole life, I think I know better then anyone else what works and doesn't. Even my doctors who are part of a world renown place (Cleveland Clinic) have said it does work for some people and most of them don't know why. Though one hinted it has something to do with our bodies and magnets. And if you know anything about CC, its that they are VERY strict about things. They would rather prescribe pills or treatments that take place there then some natural thing because obviously a natural thing would mean less money for them. Though they do make exceptions sometimes like if you have cancer.

Now if it doesn't work for you does that mean it must not be real? No because that is illogical. There are alot of things in life that don;t work for people, but it doesn't mean its not real. If you can't drive stickshift over automatic, does that mean stickshift doesn't actually work? If you can't cook a steak does it mean its uncookable in general? What about prescription meds? Some meds don't work for certain people, does that mean those meds that don't work aren't real either?

It's interesting that the doctor would mention that it's something to do with our bodies and magnets. Everyone is different. I happen to be a person who cannot wear a wind up watch. When I was younger, in the old days, I bought a real nice divers watch. The wind up kind. I would put it on and it would run for maybe half a day. I took it back and replaced it with another of the exact kind as we believed it was defective. Same result. Then we noticed that it would run for days sitting on my dresser, but on my wrist, the most I could get was a couple of hours. The watch repair owner said that some people have a body make up that stops watches. Nobody, at that time knew why. I don't know if they even know today as who wears wind up watches anymore?
The mysteries of this world are not always solvable.

 

[SkyWriting]

The people that bought the dog collar did not mention anything about on again off again results. They basically said that the dog was back to being it's old self, all the time. So, I guess, not the "same results".

They could not say enough about the results. Also, like I said before, giving a dog a new collar, in my opinion, is not even close to enough change, attention, stimulus, or affection to evoke a placebo affect in a canine. Not enough for the dog to think or grasp that the collar is the master's attempt to help with it's condition.

You may believe otherwise. Many others will agree with you. However, I'm not buying it.

I'm quite sure that doctors, who have been educated and that education has been subsidized by the pharmaceutical giants, will obviously thumb their nose at any such treatment.

Even after they took the collar off?
On one month, off one month......that's not too much to ask
of a cure to prove itself. I have gook luck with cherry Hip bones
but it may have been a diet improvement she needs.

 

[SkyWriting]

I'm quite sure that doctors, who have been educated and that education has been subsidized by the pharmaceutical giants, will obviously thumb their nose at any such treatment.

Not if it worked they wouldn't. My dog is on drugs for a bad
heart but we've cut the dose now that her symptoms are less a problem.

When she starts coughing, we increase the dose. Cause and effect.
For a dog you could use battery power and switch it on or off.

An electromagnetic dog bed should work. Experiment...on and off.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

... Migraines are painful and don't magically go away because I want them too with a magnetic band. Its easy to say "Well its a placebo!" but can you prove it?

It depends what you consider to be proof. A number of studies have shown that giving people an inert pill for migraine can be as efficacious as giving them a prescribed migraine medicine (e.g. see Migraine Headaches and the Remarkable Power of Placebos). But people have different responses to placebos; some get no effect, some get a strong effect - it depends on the individual. It's not a conscious effect - it can have an effect even when the person is told it's a placebo.

How does a migraine disappear after wearing the head band?

I don't know about migraine head bands, but there is evidence that migraines are the result of the constriction and dilation of small blood vessels in the brain by smooth muscle in the vessel walls. This muscle is influenced by the autonomic (subconscious, automatic) nervous system, hormones, and other factors in the blood. The placebo effect involves subconscious expectations influencing the activity of the autonomic nervous system, and it's known that it can cause the release of 'endogenous opioids', internally produced pain killers; it's also possible that it could directly affect the action of the smooth muscle in the blood vessel walls to reduce the cause of the migraine. In the case of stress-related migraine, it's possible that the production of stress hormones - also mediated by the autonomic nervous system - could be reduced.

...Now if it doesn't work for you does that mean it must not be real? No because that is illogical. There are alot of things in life that don;t work for people, but it doesn't mean its not real. ... What about prescription meds? Some meds don't work for certain people, does that mean those meds that don't work aren't real either?

Different people respond in different ways to placebos, just as they do to prescription meds and over-the-counter pain killers. This is why it's necessary to do controlled and blinded trials with the largest possible number of subjects when investigating the efficacy of medicines and placebos (and why there has been such a debate about the efficacy of some medicines compared to placebos, e.g. antidepressants).

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The people that bought the dog collar did not mention anything about on again off again results.

They might not necessarily mention it if it did happen; if you gave an arthritic dog a prescribed medicine, you wouldn't be surprised if the effects were variable. It's also not unknown for people's expectations to affect the accuracy of their observations - known as the observer effect and confirmation bias.

 

[JacksBratt]

Even after they took the collar off?
On one month, off one month......that's not too much to ask
of a cure to prove itself. I have gook luck with cherry Hip bones
but it may have been a diet improvement she needs.

I doubt if this couple had any interest in being part of an experiment designed to prove or disprove the magnetic collar being the reason for their dogs improved condition. They were happy that their pet was radically better and enjoyed the remaining years of its life.

Not everyone needs to have this phenomena proven as a placebo or a fact. They just roll with it. They put this collar on, their dog got better, everyone is happy, end of story.
Personally, I could care less if it is one or the other and have my reasons for believing that there is some merit to it being effective. What does that say about me?

 

[JacksBratt]

It depends what you consider to be proof. A number of studies have shown that giving people an inert pill for migraine can be as efficacious as giving them a prescribed migraine medicine (e.g. see Migraine Headaches and the Remarkable Power of Placebos). But people have different responses to placebos; some get no effect, some get a strong effect - it depends on the individual. It's not a conscious effect - it can have an effect even when the person is told it's a placebo.
I don't know about migraine head bands, but there is evidence that migraines are the result of the constriction and dilation of small blood vessels in the brain by smooth muscle in the vessel walls. This muscle is influenced by the autonomic (subconscious, automatic) nervous system, hormones, and other factors in the blood. The placebo effect involves subconscious expectations influencing the activity of the autonomic nervous system, and it's known that it can cause the release of 'endogenous opioids', internally produced pain killers; it's also possible that it could directly affect the action of the smooth muscle in the blood vessel walls to reduce the cause of the migraine. In the case of stress-related migraine, it's possible that the production of stress hormones - also mediated by the autonomic nervous system - could be reduced.
Different people respond in different ways to placebos, just as they do to prescription meds and over-the-counter pain killers. This is why it's necessary to do controlled and blinded trials with the largest possible number of subjects when investigating the efficacy of medicines and placebos (and why there has been such a debate about the efficacy of some medicines compared to placebos, e.g. antidepressants).

It is well known that people can be given sugar pills and told they are strong medicine and the patients symptoms disappear. As far as I'm concerned, and I'm sure, anyone that has ever suffered from a migraine would agree....... If you can give me something that ends the pain, nausea, light and sound sensitivity...... GIVE IT TO ME YESTERDAY.

 

[JacksBratt]

Not if it worked they wouldn't. My dog is on drugs for a bad
heart but we've cut the dose now that her symptoms are less a problem.

When she starts coughing, we increase the dose. Cause and effect.
For a dog you could use battery power and switch it on or off.

An electromagnetic dog bed should work. Experiment...on and off.

Electromagnetism will not work unless it is at a reduced frequency. Our electricity is 60 Hz. A magnetic field created by this is actually harmful. This is why pregnant women should never sleep in a water bed with the electric heater on. Permanent magnets simulate or perpetuate energy that mimics or duplicates that of the earth. We have already have one poster state that the strength of the earths magnetic field is diminishing. One of the claims is that these devices, permanent magnets, replace the missing magnetic force that our bodies function better with.


As for your belief "Not if it worked they wouldn't", you will never convince me of this. Not until I see veterinary offices selling magnetic devices. If they are not going to make $$$ then the device will be said not to work.

 

[JacksBratt]

They might not necessarily mention it if it did happen; if you gave an arthritic dog a prescribed medicine, you wouldn't be surprised if the effects were variable. It's also not unknown for people's expectations to affect the accuracy of their observations - known as the observer effect and confirmation bias.

I'm pretty sure that the observations were pretty evident. Fido cannot even go up and down stairs, he has to be carried. Add the collar, Fido runs up and down stairs....... Not the easiest thing to be biased on.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I'm pretty sure that the observations were pretty evident. Fido cannot even go up and down stairs, he has to be carried. Add the collar, Fido runs up and down stairs....... Not the easiest thing to be biased on.

Perhaps; from where I am, it's an indirect report of an anecdotal claim, i.e. hearsay, which is the most unreliable form of evidence; I'd like to see some concrete evidence and a thorough investigation by independent experts in veterinary medicine - after all, if this really is such an wonderfully effective treatment, it should be made available to all, pets and humans alike. One wonders why such a cheap, easy, and apparently effective treatment hasn't already displaced all others...

 

[JacksBratt]

Perhaps; from where I am, it's an indirect report of an anecdotal claim, i.e. hearsay, which is the most unreliable form of evidence; I'd like to see some concrete evidence and a thorough investigation by independent experts in veterinary medicine - after all, if this really is such an wonderfully effective treatment, it should be made available to all, pets and humans alike. One wonders why such a cheap, easy, and apparently effective treatment hasn't already displaced all others...

OK Thomas. That's the name of the disciple that had to put his hand in the risen Christs side and fingers in Christs nail holes before he would believe.

I have nothing but sympathy for people like you. How many things in life do you miss out on due to your chronic unbelief in things you cannot explain?

Actually, it is available to all. You just have to buy it. It is much cheaper and easier on the kidneys and liver than taking all the other meds that doctors prescribe. A bottle of my medication for my migraines, which is over the counter but you have to ask for it, it is called AC&C which stands for Acetylsalicylic Acid 375 mg, caffeine 15 mg and codeine 8 mg. I take 3 at the onset. It costs $14.00 for 100 tablets. It allows me to function in my life while suffering from a migraine or other headache . A couple of times a year, these three pills will not be enough. Without the magnet I needed them far more often than I do now. Usually repeating the dose every six hours, which is rarely necessary now. My necklace was $40.00 and well worth it and lasts for a decade or more before the cable that holds the beads together wears out. The magnets will last indefinitely.