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I wouldn't exactly call that a reliable source. :)

But it doesn't matter really, the sources you will find out there debunking it are all medical related.

If a person can help their arthritis by wearing a cheap copper bracelet where's the profit for the doctors, the Pharmaceutical companies, the insurance companies. etc? I've seen some sites debunking it and to not get sued for outright saying it they are careful, but then go on to use scare tactics and cite Copper poisoning.

Copper is the third most needed metal in the human body.

Copper cooking pots? Copper water pipes? this even goes back to ancient times. Copper was even used in the making of the Mishkan. It was ranked up with Gold and silver, and shares many of the properties of them.

Some of the health benefits of Copper.
 
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Actually, it sounds like you are the one not believing in the possibility of magnets being beneficial to human health in several situations. Even though many humans swear by it.

You will believe that a dog can sense your care and motivation to make him feel better and thus the animal will feel better. However, you cannot fathom that putting a strong magnetic field around a part of a body will cause increase blood flow or some other condition that relives the pain.

I already said that there must be some placebo affect with them. However, this could be the case with almost any treatment from Tylenol to massage and acupuncture to alcohol, allergy meds to asthma treatment. We are human, we are fully aware that the treatment is supposed to help the condition and our minds just take over..... it's all a scam.
Do you know what a double blind study is?
 
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There are some things we have yet to learn. No doubt. Until then, we can have fun with not knowing much, enjoying our ignorance.

And at times on some occasions being placeabo'd.

Since I "killed" ever electronic watch I wore in the early days when they first came out I recognized my body had a charge most others did not.

And most of us know about "discharging" ourselves before opening and handling electronic boards and installation in electronic devices due to "ruining" the circuitry by electrostatic discharge.

So, can metallic jewelry help peoples health? AV presented a good post!

I ridiculed the topic a bit at first, playfully. But there is more to learn about this subject, for sure. Like the electronic watch manufacturers for people like me.

By the way. My last watch was a spiffy multi-gear multi-dial moon phase Seiko. And guess what. In not too long a time it stopped working. It "froze up". The "froze up" being the little metal wheels were differentially (being different metal alloy parts) magnetized by my body. My body killed it.

I'm on the fence about these bracelets. No, not that I might break them.

And they do look pretty, AV. Particularly the silver with gold accent.
 
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People slip into believing in magnetic bracelets with the same ease as believing in iridology, naturopathy, astrology, chiropractic, ear-candling, feng shui and a whole portmanteau of quack medicines, diets and treatments, as they do believing in supernatural people in the sky. And why? To be sure, NOT because they're stupid, because most aren't, but because they don't question beyond what they've been told and they never ask for evidence. ...
Yes; for anyone interested in the full range of abuse and deception in medical science, from quacks to big pharma and the supplements industry, statistical manipulation, medical myths, detoxers, antivaxxers, etc.; a clear explanation of how we can fool ourselves and be fooled by others, and how it should work when things are done properly, I strongly recommend Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Science", an informative and entertaining read, which, if nothing else, will help you better spot medical and pseudo-medical bovine excreta. He also has a blog style web site with more topical stuff (although it's a bit quiet at present as he's spending a lot of time organising the All Trials campaign prompted by his other book "Big Pharma" ).
 
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Yes; for anyone interested in the full range of abuse and deception in medical science, from quacks to big pharma and the supplements industry, statistical manipulation, medical myths, detoxers, antivaxxers, etc.; a clear explanation of how we can fool ourselves and be fooled by others, and how it should work when things are done properly, I strongly recommend Ben Goldacre's book "Bad Science", an informative and entertaining read, which, if nothing else, will help you better spot medical and pseudo-medical bovine excreta. He also has a blog style web site with more topical stuff (although it's a bit quiet at present as he's spending a lot of time organising the All Trials campaign prompted by his other book "Big Pharma" ).
And here you come into a thread about seeling snake oil, peddling a snake oil book about snake oil.
 
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Just to point out, the placebo effect isn't a actual real effect that does anything, it's the most missunderstood and practically woo concept on it's own even though it's not meant to be.

what we call placebo is just a combination of:

bad memories
expectations
regression to the mean

and so on.

Things like pain are imposible to measure even if your in pain, because all you can really remember is the pain you have now, so you can perceive it hurting less, but all the emperical data says it's the same *AKA when you think your hurting less you take just as much pain pills and such* plus it doesn't effect none mental things, these bracelets might convince you that you hurt less, but things that are limited by pain are still limited, you get no more movement in your limbs from arthritis and such.

Expectations, it's been shown in tests that people will report that they feel beter even if they don't actually when they take something, they are low to say something bad about a treatment they took.

And final, regression to the mean, wich is most things come and go and most medical conditions will go away on their own, this is the main cause of the placebo effect, you take a water, and you get better, well yes, because you would have gotten better if you took water or did nothing, placebo is esentially a way to test what would have happened if you did nothing, but it's done in a way to blind the ones involved from knowing. And why? The second one, though it still has a effect.
 
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... most of us know about "discharging" ourselves before opening and handling electronic boards and installation in electronic devices due to "ruining" the circuitry by electrostatic discharge.
...My last watch was a spiffy multi-gear multi-dial moon phase Seiko. And guess what. In not too long a time it stopped working. It "froze up". The "froze up" being the little metal wheels were differentially (being different metal alloy parts) magnetized by my body. My body killed it.
Lots of people say this happens to them, and give a variety of explanations; but static electricity shouldn't affect a movement while it's in its case, and beyond static, there's nothing in human physiology that can produce a significant electrical or magnetic field, nor has such a field been evidenced in research studies (Kirlian photography & so-called 'auras' are different phenomena). Even the most sensitive instruments, like EEG machines, can only detect the combined electrical activity of the 80 billion neurons in the brain by sticking electrodes to the scalp; likewise, the sensitive sensors that detect the myoelectrical activity of arm or leg muscles for prosthetic limb control need good electrical contact with the skin. If the body was producing electromagnetic fields strong enough to stop or magnetise watches, these devices would be swamped and fail, and there would be a major outcry about failures of medical monitors and other devices both in and out of hospitals. We are not electric eels, we just don't have the physiological means to generate significant EMF.

There are other, perhaps simpler and less interesting, possible explanations for these reports; jewelers often blame the watch; there are environmental effects, how the watch is worn and used - temperature & humidity changes and physical shocks; most watches are fairly well protected against external normal electrical or magnetic fields, but some people spend time near heavy duty electrical equipment. There is the law of large numbers - in a sizeable population, most will experience an average number of failures, some will see very few, if any, and some will see a lot.

There is also the influence of cognitive biases; for example, if you have a watch fail after some years, you'll generally replace it. If the replacement fails within a short time, it may seem like two failures in a short time, there's a tendency to forget the time from initial purchase of the first. If the next replacement fails after a year or so, a similar effect may occur, where the sense of elapsed time is truncated by a seemingly fresh memory of the previous failures. These kinds of effects may be exaggerated by selective perception; the priming effect, where earlier stories affect your interpretation of new events; 'groupthink', e.g. the bandwagon effect, from talking to or reading about others who report similar experiences; the clustering illusion, where significance is read into random streaks or clusters of events; confirmation bias which causes selectivity in favour of existing ideas & beliefs; combined with memory distortion effects, and not forgetting biases that make people unwilling to change their views despite contrary evidence - such as conservatism bias.

These are subconscious biases everyone is susceptible to and they're hard to avoid. I do accept that I'm open to accusations of bias blind spot, but I do try my best to spot and make some allowance for my own biases, which is really all any of us can do. Being aware of them is half the battle.
 
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Indeed. Have you read it?
Your real name is Mike Carrara. You pose as many on Christian Forums. The list is getting very long, with the February entries. And Mike sometimes replies to Mike. The recent objective is to disguise and inject information to promote within others thoughts of unbelief. It all changes when you meet Him, when the Heavens finally open. You are around those who have truely met Him.

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We do not drum it up, we get in on what comes from Above. Try agian Mike. Compare the current.
 
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Your real name is Mike Carrara. You pose as many on Christian Forums. The list is getting very long, with the February entries. And Mike sometimes replies to Mike. The recent objective is to disguise and inject information to promote within others thoughts of unbelief.
Wrong on all counts, I'm afraid (except, I suppose, that Mike may reply to Mike - I wouldn't know). I have only one account here, and my purpose is to promote critical thinking, the understanding and good use of science in discussions, and gain some understanding of the psychology of religious belief.

If you think I'm using sockpuppets, you're welcome to ask the moderators to do whatever checks they do to prevent such things.
 
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Hey AV, I think I'm on the fence now on this. The infomercialers have put up some convincing experiences. I mean, they say well, it may work, maybe.

And they look pretty.
Ditto here, brother!

At first I thought it was just a placebo, but after hearing testimonies, I'm beginning to think there's more to it than meets the mind.

(And, yes, they're pretty! :))
 
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Depending on the magnet strength, maybe 1-100 MHz, but more importantly.... MRI's are not therapeutic. It is an imaging technique.
Since when? :/ Of course they are, that's obvious. Why were you mentioning them in a thread that speaks of the affect of magnetic fields on the human body?
 
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People slip into believing in magnetic bracelets with the same ease as believing in iridology, naturopathy, astrology, chiropractic, ear-candling, feng shui and a whole portmanteau of quack medicines, diets and treatments, as they do believing in supernatural people in the sky. And why? To be sure, NOT because they're stupid, because most aren't, but because they don't question beyond what they've been told and they never ask for evidence. They rely purely on anecdotes and testimonials, which of course don't constitute proper evidence. It's a kind of intellectual laziness: "I'll accept whatever you tell me, as long as I don't have to think or ferret something out for myself". It sets up the condition of gullibility. Who was it that said: 'Never give a sucker an even break...?' There's no shortage of people willing to exploit the gullible. Here down under, quack medicines, lotions & potions, and treatments are a multi-billion dollar industry. Many medical conditions will of course clear by themselves. Some conditions could be psychosomatic. Some we might not have an adequate explanation for. But it's a mistake to correlate a 'cure' with a magnet, a copper bracelets or the entrails of a chicken rubbed onto the affected part.

Having said all that, I will probably have to brace myself for the barrage of complaints that chiropractic really works and that coffee grounds placed on the gonads really improves virility.

Go on now, let me have it between the eyes!

I don't believe because of hearsay or just on testimonials. I believe if I use the item and get the desired affect.

I have had some things that have totally failed at what they are reported to do. No matter how much I wanted them to. In fact if many of them worked...... I would have a full head of hair LOL. You cannot believe, unless you have been through it, how much I would have loved to see an placebo effect there.

But honestly, my migraines are manageable now to the extent that I will only miss maybe one day of work a year. That's down from at least one a month.

I sold one of these to a friend at work. He had similar results. One woman always teased us and ribbed us about our silly necklaces. One day, she had a very bad head ache. My buddy takes his necklace off and hands it to her. She laughs and says are you kidding? He says check it for yourself. She said OK, I'll humor you. Within 15 minutes she was pain free. She just laughed and said it was all physiological and gave it back.... how sad. Whatever the reason, her headache vanished, yet she was so stubborn in her attitude that she dismissed it and couldn't accept that there was something to it.

There was a Roman officer, in the Bible who had leprosy. His had was shriveled (I think). He was told to wash in the Jordan river 7 times and he would be cured. He was so stubborn that he refused. His aid convinced him that he had nothing to lose as he washed in the river all the time. After the sixth time he was embarrassed and was going to stop. His aid said, well you've came this far what will one more time hurt. On the seventh wash..... he was cured...... sometimes our stubborn refusal to believe is our undoing.
 
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Since when? :/ Of course they are, that's obvious.

No, MRI's do not treat diseases. They are not therapeutic.

Why were you mentioning them in a thread that speaks of the affect of magnetic fields on the human body?

I didn't. However, they were mentioned on one of the sites I linked to. The point made there is that MRI magnets are much stronger(*) than a magnetic bracelet, but they have no noticeable effect on the blood or the human body.

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Ditto here, brother!

At first I thought it was just a placebo, but after hearing testimonies, I'm beginning to think there's more to it than meets the mind.

(And, yes, they're pretty! :))

The one I have, that works the best is not the most attractive. I had it first and when it broke I got a more manly looking one. Problem was that only one magnetic pole would contact the skin and the pieces were flat. If they flipped over you received none or very minimal affect. I wore it for years due to the fact that it cost so much. I found, that after a few months, I was not getting the affect of the original one. When it wore out, I went back to the less manly, less attractive hematite looking beads that have full contact at all times, round beads and both north and south pole contact.
It works much better and lower cost.
 
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No, MRI's do not treat diseases. They are not therapeutic.[\quote]
Are you so used to arguing with people that you cannot detect when someone is sarcastic and then agrees with you?

I said......"of course they are, that's obvious" in agreement to the fact that they are for diagnostic imaging and not for therapeutic purposes.
 
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