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FrumiousBandersnatch

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After a couple of weeks of wearing it all the time the pain abated and I began to notice it return more when I stopped wearing it.

Fair enough if I had some expectation of pain relief I could assume placebo effect but I didn't and it worked anyway.
There are a number of possible explanations for your experience; coincidence - the pain faded and returned within a few weeks of you wearing and removing the bracelet; or subconscious placebo effect - despite you not consciously remembering an association between metal wristbands and pain relief, you have probably seen such an advert - the placebo effect works subconsciously and can work even if you're aware it's a placebo; perhaps you just noticed the pain less while wearing the bracelet - it was a subtle distraction; it's also possible that wearing the bracelet subtly affected your movement which helped reduce the pain - it would depend on the location and type of pain; perhaps once you noticed the pain reduction, there was a nocebo effect when you removed the bracelet; or it could be retrospective confirmation bias and memory distortion - once you became aware of that there seemed to be a connection between wearing the bracelet and reduced pain, that relationship and the remembered effect was unconsciously exaggerated in retrospect.

I'm not saying any of these are true, but stuff like this is the reason that only a well-controlled and blinded trial can confirm whether the perceived effect (pain relief) really is a result of the claimed cause (magnetic bracelet).

As Richard Feynman said, "The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool."
 
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I'm not saying any of these are true, but stuff like this is the reason that only a well-controlled and blinded trial can confirm whether the perceived effect (pain relief) really is a result of the claimed cause (magnetic bracelet).
Do you know if any such test has ever been performed?
 
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Do you know if any such test has ever been performed?
Lots of them. Most of the links posted earlier in the thread describe or reference such trials; for example, The Painful Truth references a number of them, including a meta-analysis of such trials (Pittler MH, Brown EM, Ernst E. (2007) Static magnets for reducing pain: systematic review and meta-analysis of randomized trials. CMAJ 2007;177(7):736—42.).
 
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So, you are actually saying that this dog, all crippled up from arthritis, gets a new collar from his master and "thinks" maybe this will help me"?

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it. There is no way that this animal can consciously or subconsciously put the two together to the point that it was running up and down stairs and acting like a young dog again.

I'm sure that in people, there is a large placebo affect and scientific or physical connection as well. But, in animals, nah....

The company I sold for also sold products for horses and they were a hot item. I know, I know, horse people are out there, but.....just say'n.

As an aside, when I was selling this stuff, I don't anymore, a buddy at work told me that a prof at his university was studying the affects of this energy on MS sufferers.

His wife had this issue, Multiple sclerosis. He created a ring of metal and magnetized it at low Hz of energy and would pass it over his wife's body several times everyday. Her symptoms reversed........

I have no explanation for this and I understand that the placebo affects of humans is very powerful. However, there must be something about it based on animal results. I wore a copper bracelet for my golfer elbow and no effect. I have a magnetic bracelet and my golfers elbow cleared up in a week compared to months.

All I can say is if it works........
You are free to ignore the scientific data and peer-reviewed studies, of course. But anecdotes from random internet people don't hold any weight in any serious debate.

Hey, as far as I know you're just making this up. I'm gonna take a ride on my unicorn and think about it.
 
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It's almost as though you can go through this thread and separate the people who believe things based on a preponderance of evidence from the people who believe things because of personal testimony, or because the belief is pleasing.
 
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But the infomercial said .......


"There's a sucker born every minute..."

although given the current population, it might be up to 3 every minute...
 
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Sounds circular.
I'm not sure if the topic of this thread will get straightened out anytime soon.

We are going from a changed dog the moment it was placed on him, to placebo syndrome, to expert infomercialer, to .....
 
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"There's a sucker born every minute..."

although given the current population, it might be up to 3 every minute...
(sarc on/) You mean on infomercials that most of the people are not expert infomercialers and know what they are talking about?

In fact, are you suggesting that these expert infomercialers could be unintentionally lying? (/sarc off)
 
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I'm gonna take a ride on my unicorn and think about it.
You might take a ride on Hellmark's version of the unicorn -- but you won't be going anywhere on the Bible's version.

Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
 
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I'm not sure if the topic of this thread will get straightened out anytime soon.

We are going from a changed dog the moment it was placed on him, to placebo syndrome, to expert infomercialer, to .....
I'm content with hearing it's a placebo that works.
 
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Are you saying that fortune tellers are not effective?
The question is how effective.
I have a bit of experience in fortune telling.. Lots of practice and I've actually gotten really good at it.

From reading the pixels of your postings, I predict your fortune as follows:
*An unfortunate event will bring you sadness in your future
*The sun will rise in the east and set in the west
*Death will come to someone you know.
*The moon will be in the night sky soon.

That will be $20 please.... I do accept paypal and credit cards as well as money orders and cash.
 
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The question is how effective.
I have a bit of experience in fortune telling.. Lots of practice and I've actually gotten really good at it.

From reading the pixels of your postings, I predict your fortune as follows:
*An unfortunate event will bring you sadness in your future
*The sun will rise in the east and set in the west
*Death will come to someone you know.
*The moon will be in the night sky soon.

That will be $20 please.... I do accept paypal and credit cards as well as money orders and cash.
I appreciate your mocking humor.
But that does not address the issue.
I suppose that discussion should be for a different thread.
 
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You might take a ride on Hellmark's version of the unicorn -- but you won't be going anywhere on the Bible's version.

Job 39:9 Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Well, some of the things job was asked by god actually have been accomplished by mankind. For example, we have reached the bottom of the sea [38:16] , we know the size of the earth [36:18], we can make it rain [36:34] and we have a pretty clear picture of when various animals birth they're young [39:1].

Pretty sure there are a few more examples, but those should be enough, hmm?
 
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Personally, I would rather be cured from the placebo effect than suffer without such a cure.
How about you?
Thing is, the placebo effect rarely cures, it only hides the symptoms.
 
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