Is there salvation in Mary?

[Goatee]

CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY!!

 

[Hallstone]

CATHOLICS DO NOT WORSHIP MARY!!

LOL

 

[Thursday]

Worshiping people, no matter who they are, has never been permitted by God .

No kidding. And it is strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church.

Please educate yourself about what the Church actually teaches before repeating false propaganda spread by anti Catholic bigots.

FYI (from the Catechism)

970 Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it. No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

 

[Hallstone]

No kidding. And it is strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church.

Please educate yourself about what the Church actually teaches before repeating false propaganda spread by anti Catholic bigots.

FYI (from the Catechism)

970 Mary's function as mother of men in no way obscures or diminishes this unique mediation of Christ, but rather shows its power. But the Blessed Virgin's salutary influence on men flows forth from the superabundance of the merits of Christ, rests on his mediation, depends entirely on it, and draws all its power from it. No creature could ever be counted along with the Incarnate Word and Redeemer; but just as the priesthood of Christ is shared in various ways both by his ministers and the faithful, and as the one goodness of God is radiated in different ways among his creatures, so also the unique mediation of the Redeemer does not exclude but rather gives rise to a manifold cooperation which is but a sharing in this one source.

Dribble

 

[Thursday]

Dribble

Facts. You post lies about the Church. Is that Christian?

If you want to know what the Church teaches read the Catechism.

Don't repeat lies from anti Catholic bigots.

 

[Goatee]

Dribble

Its blatantly obvious to anyone reading your posts that you have no clue what-so-ever about the teachings / practices of the Catholic Church!

 

[All4Christ]

Worshiping people, no matter who they are, has never been permitted by God, and it has always been a earmark for paganism, Mary was blessed greatly, but I'm sure she would be appalled at people's worship of her the same way that Paul was at the worship of the people to him. Mary like the rest of us was and is a creation and worshiping the creation is always false, and forbidden.

I certainly agree that worship (λατρεία) belongs to God alone, and that we shouldn't worship (λατρεία) Mary or the other saints.

It's too bad that the English often only has one word for concepts represented by multiple words in Greek.

 

[Monk Brendan]

But this Mary devotion page quotes without context too.
http://www.catholictradition.org/Mary/mary18a.htm

This is NOT an official Roman Catholic website! This is a TRADITIONAL Catholic Website, usually run by those that do not believe that there has been a valid Pope in the Chair of St. Peter since the death of Pope John XXIII. They are called sedevacantists, and they have about as much to say about the Catholic Church than the hypothetical life forms on Titan

Look at REAL Catholic sites. If you find a link to Tan Books or Rorate Caeli, then it is not Catholic.

 

[Monk Brendan]

who is calvin? For God so loved the world....

You don't know who John Calvin is? He is one of the main Reformers in the 16th century, along with Luther, Zwingli, Knox, and many others

Search about him on the internet. You'll find him!

 

[Monk Brendan]

Where did I say or even imply this? Wow, anti-Calvinists certainly are masters of projection.

You seem to be doing a good job yourself!

 

[Grafted In]

Where's the lady who posted a picture of the pope on his knees looking up at a statue of Mary, his hands folded in oh such an adoring fashion?

That is way above and beyond the devotion one human should show another.
We are all sinners, and God is no respector of persons.
Do you think Jesus would get on His knees and adore a statue of any person? I don't believe so.

 

[Radagast]

The TULIP theology framework is one of his most well known contributions to the Reformed Protestant movement.

The TULIP theology framework was of course not from Calvin, but from the 1619 Synod of Dordt (the "TULIP" acronym itself is later; from the early 1900s).

But I agree with you on the need to learn Church History.

 

[Radagast]

If you want to know what the Church teaches read the Catechism.

I would tend to agree with you, but much popular Marian devotion goes well beyond what's in the Catechism (indeed, to my untutored eyes, much popular Marian devotion seems to contradict the Catechism).

 

[by right paths]

Acts 4: 12
8-12 With that, Peter, full of the Holy Spirit, let loose: “Rulers and leaders of the people, if we have been brought to trial today for helping a sick man, put under investigation regarding this healing, I’ll be completely frank with you—we have nothing to hide. By the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, the One you killed on a cross, the One God raised from the dead, by means of his name this man stands before you healthy and whole. Jesus is ‘the stone you masons threw out, which is now the cornerstone.’ Salvation comes no other way; no other name has been or will be given to us by which we can be saved, only this one.”

 

[All4Christ]

The TULIP theology framework was of course not from Calvin, but from the 1619 Synod of Dordt (the "TULIP" acronym itself is later; from the early 1900s).

But I agree with you on the need to learn Church History.

Ah, ok. Thank you for the clarification. While I've studied Calvinism theologically in modern times, the progression of theological developments in that branch of the church is not my most studied subject.

I appreciate the correction! I don't want to misrepresent anything.

 

[Radagast]

Ah, ok. Thank you for the clarification. While I've studied Calvinism theologically in modern times, the progression of theological developments in that branch of the church is not my most studied subject.

It's complicated. And, since the roots of Calvinism are in non-English-speaking countries like France, Switzerland, Hungary, and the Netherlands, even many American Calvinists are hazy both on the history and on the theological details.

 

[Biblicist]

No kidding. And it is strictly forbidden by the Catholic Church.

Please educate yourself about what the Church actually teaches before repeating false propaganda spread by anti Catholic bigots.

It would be safe to say that most people probably care very little for "whats on the books" within Rome, as we are more concerned with what we hear on a regular basis from the average Roman Catholic; it matters very little even if their worship of Mary is performed through ignorance.

 

[Hallstone]

I certainly agree that worship (λατρεία) belongs to God alone, and that we shouldn't worship (λατρεία) Mary or the other saints.

It's too bad that the English often only has one word for concepts represented by multiple words in Greek.

Even though I respect the right for anyone to believe anything they want, I still must whole heartedly object to any adoration that goes beyond simple respect, which is in my opinion is 'worship', Even the Lord Himself did not pedestal Mary above any other disciple when He gave the 'who is my Mother' teaching in Matthew 12:46-50 . To me it is clear that to Him it is very important that we as Christians are and remain on the same level. Otherwise we spin off into strange worship like the people did with the snake staff in the OT. I am confident that if possible Mary herself would reprove her worshippers if she was able.

 

[Goatee]

Where's the lady who posted a picture of the pope on his knees looking up at a statue of Mary, his hands folded in oh such an adoring fashion?

That is way above and beyond the devotion one human should show another.
We are all sinners, and God is no respector of persons.
Do you think Jesus would get on His knees and adore a statue of any person? I don't believe so.

He was not worshiping the statue or Mary.

Do you worship your bed when you kneel down by it to pray?

Do you worship the Bible when you bend to read it?

 

[Grafted In]

Not the same thing.