Is there salvation in Mary?

[Raggedyman]

I seem to remember Calvin writing that 'There is no free will'- or is my memory playing tricks on me?

No your memory is not playing tricks on you
Just some people around here are playing word tricks on you

Just ask them if humanity has free will or not then see the length and obscurity of the reply
No simple yes or no answer, no real answer at all
That and those with that belief won't accept other people are allowed a different opinion, almost like a cult

Believe in Calvin or you are not elect
Funny, I thought it was about Jesus

 

[Raggedyman]

No
There is no salvation through Mary. Mary's mother on the other hand is well known for her ability to come to the aid of those wanting salvation. She was the first to have an immaculate conception, so obviously is a favorite in Gods eyes.

So Mary was conceived immaculately? Her mum was immaculate, then what about her mum and then hers
Where does it stop

Mary was free from sin and so was her mother, sounds like they are worthy of worship if that's true

Though the bible doesn't shed light on that, must be true, religious leaders wouldn't lie, surely

 

[Goatee]

So Mary was conceived immaculately? Her mum was immaculate, then what about her mum and then hers
Where does it stop

Mary was free from sin and so was her mother, sounds like they are worthy of worship if that's true

Though the bible doesn't shed light on that, must be true, religious leaders wouldn't lie, surely

Sacred Tradition. Sweet smell of the Holy Spirit at work.

 

[TaylorSexton]

No your memory is not playing tricks on you

Can you provide quotes from Calvin? I notice you are ignoring me. Have you accepted defeat after being humiliated?

I replied to the question you replied to just now not with a yes or no, but with the response, "It depends on what one means by 'free will.'" Free will is a term with such a wide variation of understanding, that to ask if Calvin (or anyone else) believes in free will is really a non-question until one defines precisely what they mean by the term. I would hope you would have the balance and soundness of reason to understand this. For example, I can refer to a Reformed (i.e., Calvinistic) statement of faith right this moment that comes straight out of the mouth of a Protestant Reformer that affirms free will. The issue, then, is not the term, but how it is defined.

Anyone with reason would agree with what I am arguing.

So, until someone gives me the definition of their use of free will, I simply cannot answer the question. And, guess what, neither can you because, remember, there are Reformed confessions that affirm free will, but you are (clearly) not Reformed.

Believe in Calvin or you are not elect
Funny, I thought it was about Jesus

For a professing follower of Christ you sure are inflammatory and libelous against your brothers and sisters in Christ. This is not even a twisting of my belief, but an outright false witness against me and all who hold to the Reformed conviction. I truly fear for you on the day of judgment if this is your normal mode of operation.

But, beside that, can you show me where in any Reformed literature or where any Reformed believer has ever even hinted at the sentiment you just projected upon them is this statement I just quoted by you? Please provide citations, or you will be reported for this offensive statement (because in saying this you not-so-subtly imply that we who take the Reformed identifier are not followers of Christ, and therefore not Christians, which is against forum policy).

 

[Alithis]

”<snip> yes i snipped the whole post out

in reference to the op thread title and its question

Is there salvation in Mary?

the answer is NO absolutely NOT

 

[Basil the Great]

It kind of looks like the proposed Marian Dogma about co-Redemptrix and co-Mediatrix comes from the teaching of St. Germanus, at least in part anyway.

 

[Thursday]

”There is no one, O Most Holy Mary, who can know God except through thee; no one who can be saved or redeemed but through thee, O Mother of God; no one who can be delivered from dangers but through thee, O Virgin Mother; no one who obtains mercy but through thee, O Filled-With-All-Grace!”
--Saint Germanus of Constantinople, Patriarch of Constantinople

http://whitelilyoftrinity.com/saints_quotes_mary.html


”It is impossible to save one's soul without devotion to Mary and without her protection.”
--Saint Anselm, Archbishop and Doctor of the Church

”Not only do they offend thee, O Lady, who outrage thee, but thou art also offended by those who neglect to ask thy favors . . . He who neglects the service of the Blessed Virgin will die in his sins . . . He who does not invoke thee, O Lady, will never get to Heaven . . . Not only will those from whom Mary turns her countenance not be saved, but there will be no hope of their salvation . . . No one can be saved without the protection of Mary.
--Saint Bonaventure, Cardinal-Bishop and Doctor of the Church

”We may seek graces, but shall never find them without the intercession of Mary.”
--Saint Cajetan, Founder of the Theatines

Jesus became incarnate through Mary. Is Jesus necessary for salvation?

 

[All4Christ]

It kind of looks like the proposed Marian Dogma about co-Redemptrix and co-Mediatrix comes from the teaching of St. Germanus, at least in part anyway.

I think it is very important to have the context with that quote.

 

[All4Christ]

Jesus became incarnate through Mary. Is Jesus necessary for salvation?

That's an important point. I don't think any of us are saying that Mary "saves" us, as in being our savior, forgiving our sins, and giving us eternal life. However, she did say "yes" to God and through her "yes", Jesus became incarnate. Jesus saves us, but she bore God the Son and through that act, Jesus came into this world.

In a way, we all participate in each other's salvation. Jude 1:20-23

 

[Biblicist]

No
There is no salvation through Mary. Mary's mother on the other hand is well known for her ability to come to the aid of those wanting salvation. She was the first to have an immaculate conception, so obviously is a favorite in Gods eyes.

I was wondering when this would come up as I had heard some years back that some Roman Catholics worship Mary's mother and even Elizabeth, it can be very hard to keep up with these franchises; do you or anyone else have any good links on these two cults.

 

[ronandcarol]

There is no other name given where by we can be saved, only the name and blood of Jesus can save anyone, and everyone who puts their trust in Him.

ronandcarol

 

[Raggedyman]

Can you provide quotes from Calvin? I notice you are ignoring me. Have you accepted defeat after being humiliated?

I replied to the question you replied to just now not with a yes or no, but with the response, "It depends on what one means by 'free will.'" Free will is a term with such a wide variation of understanding, that to ask if Calvin (or anyone else) believes in free will is really a non-question until one defines precisely what they mean by the term. I would hope you would have the balance and soundness of reason to understand this. For example, I can refer to a Reformed (i.e., Calvinistic) statement of faith right this moment that comes straight out of the mouth of a Protestant Reformer that affirms free will. The issue, then, is not the term, but how it is defined.

Anyone with reason would agree with what I am arguing.

So, until someone gives me the definition of their use of free will, I simply cannot answer the question. And, guess what, neither can you because, remember, there are Reformed confessions that affirm free will, but you are (clearly) not Reformed.



For a professing follower of Christ you sure are inflammatory and libelous against your brothers and sisters in Christ. This is not even a twisting of my belief, but an outright false witness against me and all who hold to the Reformed conviction. I truly fear for you on the day of judgment if this is your normal mode of operation.

But, beside that, can you show me where in any Reformed literature or where any Reformed believer has ever even hinted at the sentiment you just projected upon them is this statement I just quoted by you? Please provide citations, or you will be reported for this offensive statement (because in saying this you not-so-subtly imply that we who take the Reformed identifier are not followers of Christ, and therefore not Christians, which is against forum policy).

It's called theistic fatalism

Yes I an ignoring you because you are getting creepy
You can't handle the fact that we disagree so you have to beat me over and over with words that have no meaning
Almost like a door knocking Jehova witness

 

[7trees]

No your memory is not playing tricks on you
Just some people around here are playing word tricks on you

Just ask them if humanity has free will or not then see the length and obscurity of the reply
No simple yes or no answer, no real answer at all
That and those with that belief won't accept other people are allowed a different opinion, almost like a cult

Believe in Calvin or you are not elect
Funny, I thought it was about Jesus

https://kerriganskelly.com/2014/09/...john-calvin-are-calvinists-really-calvinists/

This link is useful as it contains several quotes from Calvin himself. He clearly believes there is no free will other than an appearance of it caused by God ordaining Man to think and act.

 

[7trees]

Sacred Tradition. Sweet smell of the Holy Spirit at work.

Early tradition rooted in common teaching and revelation. In other words if you believe the saints received revelation outside of what is written in scripture there is a possibility Mary was born 'immaculate' and 'assumed' into heaven... These were early beliefs that means they need to be considered properly. The Catholic church ratified them. A modern Protestant would have to decide if God speaks outside of scripture and also test the revelation according to scriptural principles. Instead they tend to have closed minds and hearts and follow their tradition!

However if Mary did speak directly to someone I'm sure she'd point the way to Christ as Saviour.

 

[Brother Ron]

Jhn 14:6

Jesus *said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.

 

[Raggedyman]

https://kerriganskelly.com/2014/09/...john-calvin-are-calvinists-really-calvinists/

This link is useful as it contains several quotes from Calvin himself. He clearly believes there is no free will other than an appearance of it caused by God ordaining Man to think and act.

You can lead a horse to water
The sad thing is most Calvinists seem to put Calvin before Christ

I would only ever ask a Calvinist to do what Jude has asked
"Contend earnestly for your faith" from your link
Our relationship with Christ is like a marriage, marriages take hard work

 

[Bob Carabbio]

”There is no one, O Most Holy Mary, who can know God except through thee; no one who can be saved or redeemed but through thee, O Mother of God; no one who can be delivered from dangers but through thee, O Virgin Mother; no one who obtains mercy but through thee, O Filled-With-All-Grace!”
--Saint Germanus of Constantinople, Patriarch of Constantinople

AN excellent and definitive quote from a DEMONIC FALSE TEACHER!!!!!!

Simple as that.

 

[Hallstone]

”There is no one, O Most Holy Mary, who can know God except through thee; no one who can be saved or redeemed but through thee, O Mother of God; no one who can be delivered from dangers but through thee, O Virgin Mother; no one who obtains mercy but through thee, O Filled-With-All-Grace!”
--Saint Germanus of Constantinople, Patriarch of Constantinople

http://whitelilyoftrinity.com/saints_quotes_mary.html


”It is impossible to save one's soul without devotion to Mary and without her protection.”
--Saint Anselm, Archbishop and Doctor of the Church

”Not only do they offend thee, O Lady, who outrage thee, but thou art also offended by those who neglect to ask thy favors . . . He who neglects the service of the Blessed Virgin will die in his sins . . . He who does not invoke thee, O Lady, will never get to Heaven . . . Not only will those from whom Mary turns her countenance not be saved, but there will be no hope of their salvation . . . No one can be saved without the protection of Mary.
--Saint Bonaventure, Cardinal-Bishop and Doctor of the Church

”We may seek graces, but shall never find them without the intercession of Mary.”
--Saint Cajetan, Founder of the Theatines

If these quotes are true, they are further proof of the ancient syncretistic blending of Christianity with Roman Paganism that was starting to become evident in the 3rd and 4th century. This kind of Heresy is particularly grievous. The Romans syncretized many religions into their pantheon for political reasons and Constantine's 'conversion' is a perfect example of this. The 'Roman' Christianity became dominant because of the political power behind it, also it had stolen the inherent power of (The Word).

 

[Thursday]

If these quotes are true, they are further proof of the ancient syncretistic blending of Christianity with Roman Paganism that was starting to become evident in the 3rd and 4th century. This kind of Heresy is particularly grievous. The Romans syncretized many religions into their pantheon for political reasons and Constantine's 'conversion' is a perfect example of this. The 'Roman' Christianity became dominant because of the political power behind it, also it had stolen the inherent power of (The Word).

Gibberish.

Mary's importance is due entirely to her role in the incarnation of Christ.

She was chosen by God to be the vessel to bring him into the world as a man.

 

[Hallstone]

Gibberish.

Mary's importance is due entirely to her role in the incarnation of Christ.

She was chosen by God to be the vessel to bring him into the world as a man.

Worshiping people, no matter who they are, has never been permitted by God, and it has always been a earmark for paganism, Mary was blessed greatly, but I'm sure she would be appalled at people's worship of her the same way that Paul was at the worship of the people to him. Mary like the rest of us was and is a creation and worshiping the creation is always false, and forbidden.