Is there salvation in Mary?

[jerry kelso]

Mary interceded at Cana.

anteltems,

That is no scripture of interceding for redemption from Mary in heaven or earth either. If so, explain. Jerry Kelso

 

[Goatee]

anteltems,

That is no scripture of interceding for redemption from Mary in heaven or earth either. If so, explain. Jerry Kelso

Interpretation. You have yours. The CC has theirs. Simples

 

[jerry kelso]

Interpretation. You have yours. The CC has theirs. Simples

antletems,
Which do you agree with? Jerry Kelso

 

[Goatee]

antletems,
Which do you agree with? Jerry Kelso

CC

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Y'SHUA is better to agree with - and YHWH says so !

Taking anyone's interpretation contrary to what HE SAYS is , well, HE says wrong.

Y'SHUA told the disciples to test everything by YHWH'S WORD - SCRIPTURE - and not to accept anything contrary to what was once for all delivered - one gospel. not many gospels.

 

[Goatee]

Y'SHUA is better to agree with - and YHWH says so !

Taking anyone's interpretation contrary to what HE SAYS is , well, HE says wrong.

Y'SHUA told the disciples to test everything by YHWH'S WORD - SCRIPTURE - and not to accept anything contrary to what was once for all delivered - one gospel. not many gospels.

You test with 'Sola Scripture'. With 'your' own interpretation!

 

[2Timothy2:15]

You test with 'Sola Scripture'. With 'your' own interpretation!

It is not even a matter of interpretation. There is zero scriptural evidence for Mary as an intercessor.

More over

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Sometimes it is just as plain as it sounds. God does not make it hard to understand.

Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

No where will you find anything supporting the notion of Mary interceding in any capacity.

 

[Goatee]

No where will you find anything supporting the notion of Mary interceding in any capacity.

You do at Cana!

 

[2Timothy2:15]

You do at Cana!

nope

 

[Goatee]

nope

Yep.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Yep.

I can only assume that a fellow with obvious intelligence as yourself is merely being silly about this, or grasping at the only straw he can find.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I can only assume that a fellow with obvious intelligence as yourself is merely being silly about this, or grasping at the only straw he can find.

Whenever anyone is taught to suppress the truth, their actions and words become very strange and unpredictable.
Politic, medico, religious, economic, educational, scientific ---
any group
that someone defends the teachings of
that requires above all else agreeing with the group
instead of with the TRUTH
results in bizarre results every day everywhere.

 

[bbbbbbb]

Whenever anyone is taught to suppress the truth, their actions and words become very strange and unpredictable.

Yes, I have found that to be sadly very true.

 

[Biblicist]

I can only assume that a fellow with obvious intelligence as yourself is merely being silly about this, or grasping at the only straw he can find.

For those who support Marian philosophies, if they are prepared to be honest by admitting that the Scriptures do not provide a hint of support for their devotion/worship of 'Mary', where they acknowledge that it belongs purely to their denominations traditions, then they can probably not only worship 'Mary', but if they want they can idolise and worship Momma Cass and call on "Big Momma" for some extra support while they sing Abba's song "Momma Mia" all day long if they so desire; providing they that they do not try and support it from within the Scriptures.

 

[Goatee]

I can only assume that a fellow with obvious intelligence as yourself is merely being silly about this, or grasping at the only straw he can find.

Far from 'grasping at straws'. It knowing that the CC is guided by the Holy Spirit which Jesus said would happen. It is the 'original' and 'true' church of Jesus. The rest, as i mentioned in another thread, only came about after the reformation! All built on sand!

I would rather stick with the CC. A church led by Sacred Scripture, entwined with Sacred Tradition. Awesome!!!

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Far from 'grasping at straws'. It knowing that the CC is guided by the Holy Spirit which Jesus said would happen. It is the 'original' and 'true' church of Jesus. The rest, as i mentioned in another thread, only came about after the reformation! All built on sand!

I would rather stick with the CC. A church led by Sacred Scripture, entwined with Sacred Tradition. Awesome!!!

So was the CC being guided by the Holy Spirit when they killed people as heretics? Let's just take one example, William Tyndale. So when the CC hunted down Tyndale and burned him alive at the stake for being a heretic for printing the bible in English was that the Holy Spirit guiding the CC?

 

[Goatee]

So was the CC being guided by the Holy Spirit when they killed people as heretics? Let's just take one example, William Tyndale. So when the CC hunted down Tyndale and burned him alive at the stake for being a heretic for printing the bible in English was that the Holy Spirit guiding the CC?

People are not perfect. Individuals are not perfect. The Church still stands. The devil has tried to pull it down with bad people but has failed!

God bless you buddy

 

[Grafted In]

I can only assume that a fellow with obvious intelligence as yourself is merely being silly about this, or grasping at the only straw he can find.

Yeah, that Antletems can be ornery.
Gotcha, Buddy!
Your brother in Christ.
Bill

 

[2Timothy2:15]

People are not perfect. Individuals are not perfect. The Church still stands. The devil has tried to pull it down with bad people but has failed!

God bless you buddy

People are not perfect, this is your stance to excuse murder? Is that what Jesus said, people are not perfect so murder will happen and Christians will murder and it's ok because people are not perfect.....do you stop and think about what you are saying?


On one hand, the CC teaches that the pope is the vicar of Christ, his representative of Jesus on earth. And you really think Jesus is ok with murdering people? I am sorry but that is just ludicrous and it amazes me how easily murders of millions can be so easily dismissed as "people are not perfect" when their persecution and deaths were directly at the hands of many many men in the CC.

This is not just one pope who carried out murdering "heretics", this is historical fact over hundreds of years and multitudes of popes. But you go on thinking what you want.

 

[Biblicist]

I would rather stick with the CC. A church led by Sacred Scripture, entwined with Sacred Tradition. Awesome!!!

Isn't that what the Mormons and even Islam says as well!
I think we would all be better off obeying what the Creator has already told us within his Written Word than we are with following the vanity of any system that is primarily the fruit of the creature.