Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[SabbathBlessings]

The Lord's day being the first day of the week is a very possible interpretation. But one has to be willing to look outside of the scriptures for it to really make sense.

That might seem strange at first. But I think everyone agrees that Greek didn't start with the new testament, or end after that.

There were millions of Greek speakers at that time using those same words and phrases. They had meaning. So it seems like a good idea to see what those meanings are.

And may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.

If it was plausible, there would be scripture showing God "blessed" the first day, made "holy" the first day, "sanctified" the first day but since you have provided no such scripture showing this, because it does not exist and God said the first day is a working day Exodus 20:9 seems your argument is with scripture.

Disbelief in scripture is not believing the Word of God. God wrote, God spoke about His holy day, so your argument appears to really be with God.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

God also, commanded Moses to write commandments in the Book which includes the commandments written on stones.So The same commandments written in the Book has ended and the one written on stones has not?

Different covenants. God wrote with His own finger a covenant of Ten Commandments, not 613 Exodus 34:28.

 

[pasifika]

The gospel rest we receive in Christ when we obey. They did not enter rest because of their disobedience.

Hebrews 4:9 says there remains a Sabbath rest (the commandment- Exodus 20:8-11, Luke 23:56) for the people of God.

God’s Sabbath commandment came in a covenant of Ten, not nine Exodus 34:20, not wise to reduce these commandments and try to “forget” the commandment God told us to “Remember” and uses the word Holy and Blessed. What God blessed, man cannot reverse. Numbers 23:20

God bless and take care

Are you saying we cannot enter into Gods Rest by the Gospel but by the 10 commandments...

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are you saying we cannot enter into Gods Rest by the Gospel but by the 10 commandments...

The bible is saying you do not enter into Christs rest by being disobedient to God. You are blessed when we obey, not when we disobey.

 

[pasifika]

Different covenants. God wrote with His own finger a covenant of Ten Commandments, not 613 Exodus 34:28.

And there was only one nation were present when God made that covenant right?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And there was only one nation were present when God made that covenant right?

Your free to keep telling yourself that or you can come to the light. God's Word is for God's people i.e. those in Christ.

 

[Danthemailman]

We have been through this before and once we learn the Truth to God's Word, we should not harden our hearts. Colossians 2:16-17 is not referring to the seventh day Sabbath, which is made abundantly clear when we back up to Colossians 2:14. I am happy to go through this again with you.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments.

But we can keep going.
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments. Since there are no contradictions in scripture, it must be referring to another law. The law of Moses was placed outside the ark of the covenant, written by Moses in a book as a witness against you, Deuteronomy 31:24 God's law is not grievous 1 John 5:3. The law of Moses was added because of sin Galatians 3:19, the law of God points out sin, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. The law of Moses contained curses Deuteronomy 29:20-21, Galatians 3:10 and made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19. The law of God is perfect Psalms 19:7 and brings blessings and peace Proverbs 29:18, Psalms 119:165 the law of Moses in the book of ordinances ended with Jesus being our Perfect sacrifice. Ephesians 2:15, Col 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13 not God's law which is ETERNAL and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:17-19

So there is 100% proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring to the Ten Commandments it is referring to the law of ordinances, not the COMMANDMENTS of God. Is there a sabbath(s) in the law of ordinances? Yes, and fits Colossians 2:16 to a tee as is about food and drink and holy days called sabbath(s) in scripture which has nothing to do with the commandments of God that was before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and is a memorial to God's Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep holy Exodus 20:8. The sabbath(s) feast days (animal and food offerings) is what ended, that is in the ordinances in the law of Moses, that was contrary to us and ended with Jesus our Sacrifice -See Hebrews 10 which is what Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to.

One more proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring the seventh day Sabbath

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything, it points back to Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep Holy and does not point to Christ on the cross.

Further proof, the Sabbath day continues to be God's chosen day of worship for eternity: Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised Exodus 31:1

Yes we have been over this before and the weekly sabbath day certainly is included in (Colossians 2:16-17)

An honest reading of Colossians 2:16 will show that this is talking about not just "ceremonial Sabbaths." The words "ton sabbaton" or "sabbath days"; are the same words translated "Sabbath day" in Exodus 20:8 in the Septuagint (the Jewish translation of the Old Testament into Greek).

Look at Paul's reasoning, "Let no one judge you regarding a,

festival - yearly Sabbaths,
a new moon - monthly Sabbaths,
or a Sabbath day - weekly Sabbaths (or if you wish Sabbath days)"
CHRIST, he goes on to say is the "Substance", these things were shadows.

This clearly states, "you observe...",

days (weekly Sabbaths, corresponding to "Sabbath days in Col. 2)
months (new moons, corresponding to "a new moon" in Col. 2)
seasons (the 7 feasts, corresponding to "festivals" in Col. 2)
and years (the sabbatical year and the 50th year of Jubilee)

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances, for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

"He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant — not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills...the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone...the ministry that condemns" (2 Corinthians 3:6-9).

In regards to Isaiah 66:22-23, this merely teaches that from month to month and from week to week, God’s people will worship Him. In the new heaven and the new earth, we read there will have no need of the sun or moon, there will be no night there, but one perpetual day and the glory of God will illuminate it. (Revelation 21:23-25) How then could there be a cycle of seven days that would allow for literally keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law? The Isaiah passage simply means that God’s people will perpetually worship Him in contrast to keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law.

Furthermore, if you insist on sabbath observances based on Isaiah 66:23, then you also need to observe new moons as well. Yet from what I hear, SDA's don’t observe new moons, which is inconsistent. New moons require night, which requires night in heaven, yet there is no day and night cycles in heaven. You cannot have "new moon to new moon" or "sabbath days" without day and night. Will there be Levital priests in the new heaven? If Isaiah 66:23 teaches that we will keep the sabbath day in the new heaven, then it also teaches in Isaiah 66:21 that the Levitical priests will be in the new heaven, because it is also mentioned. What happened to the Levitical priesthood under the new covenant terms? Priesthood changed so did the law. Hebrews 7:12 - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

*The old and new covenants do not mix.*

Exodus 20 is written to the Israelites under the old covenant. Exodus 20:1 - And God spoke all these words, saying: 2 "I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."

Sabbath observance was a sign between God and Israel (and not ALL mankind). "The Israelites are to observe the sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant. It will be a sign between me and the Israelitesforever, for in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he abstained from work and rested." (Exodus 31:16-17)

*In Deuteronomy 5, Moses restates the Ten Commandments to the next generation of Israelites. Here, after commanding sabbath observance in verses 12–14, Moses gives the reason the sabbath was given to the Israelites (and not ALL mankind). "Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the Lord your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the Lord your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day." (Deuteronomy 5:15)

 

[pasifika]

The bible is saying you do not enter into Christs rest by being disobedient to God. You are blessed when we obey, not when we disobey.

You mean obey to God by believing in the Gospel of His Son or by follow the letter of the Law?

Do you see the two as the same? Can you obey God by following the "letter"?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

You mean obey to God by believing in the Gospel of His Son or by follow the letter of the Law?

Do you see the two as the same? Can you obey God by following the "letter"?

It is impossible to be in Christ, the Spirit if you are disobeying the letter of the law. There is a Spiritual aspect to every one of the commandments. Jesus came to magnify the law and stated adultery begins in the heart. He doesn't want us to even have these types of thoughts. If we are not thinking about adultery, how can we literally be committing adultery. It starts with our thoughts. If you are keeping the Spirit of the law, the letter will be obeyed, not disobeyed. Jesus gives us His Spirit to obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

 

[pasifika]

Your free to keep telling yourself that or you can come to the light. God's Word is for God's people i.e. those in Christ.

Was I wrong?, the 10commandments were given to one nation present at the time?

The nation who came out of Egypt, pass through the red sea and into the wilderness, in Sinai?

 

[pasifika]

It is impossible to be in Christ, the Spirit if you are disobeying the letter of the law. There is a Spiritual aspect to every one of the commandments. Jesus came to magnify the law and stated adultery begins in the heart. He doesn't want us to even have these types of thoughts. If we are not thinking about adultery, how can we literally be committing adultery. It starts with our thoughts. If you are keeping the Spirit of the law, the letter will be obeyed, not disobeyed. Jesus gives us His Spirit to obey. John 14:15-18, Acts 5:32

So can you explain why the letter leads to death and the Spirit leads to life?

 

[guevaraj]

So can you explain why the letter leads to death and the Spirit leads to life?

Brother, the letter only gives you one chance, but the Spirit gives you many chances through the forgiveness of Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly temple. These chances are even faster with Jesus than with animal sacrifices, allowing us to pass more time obedient than as sinners who need to sacrifice another lamb to gain forgiveness.

Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Are you saying we cannot enter into Gods Rest by the Gospel but by the 10 commandments...

Brother, you cannot enter into God's "rest" in Hebrews 3 and 4 by keeping the seventh day of the week as it was at creation. God taught in the Promised Land that the Sabbath falls between two days of the week (from evening to evening) and not on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, as He forced them to keep the seventh day with Manna in the desert for 40 years and tells us in Hebrews 3 and 4 that during those 40 years they did not enter God's "rest" established on the seventh day of creation from morning to morning. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[pasifika]

Brother, the letter only gives you one chance, but the Spirit gives you many chances through the forgiveness of Jesus as our High Priest in the heavenly teimple. These chances are even faster with Jesus than with animal sacrifices, allowing us to pass more time obedient than as sinners who need to sacrifice another lamb to gain forgiveness.

Here is the main point: We have a High Priest who sat down in the place of honor beside the throne of the majestic God in heaven. There he ministers in the heavenly Tabernacle, the true place of worship that was built by the Lord and not by human hands. And since every high priest is required to offer gifts and sacrifices, our High Priest must make an offering, too. If he were here on earth, he would not even be a priest, since there already are priests who offer the gifts required by the law. They serve in a system of worship that is only a copy, a shadow of the real one in heaven. For when Moses was getting ready to build the Tabernacle, God gave him this warning: “Be sure that you make everything according to the pattern I have shown you here on the mountain.” (Hebrews 8:1-5 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Hello Jorge, yes I agree the letter only gives you one chance, this is given through "blessings" and "cursing" of the Law..

 

[pasifika]

Brother, you cannot enter into God's "rest" in Hebrews 3 and 4 by keeping the seventh day of the week as it was at creation. God taught in the Promised Land that the Sabbath falls between two days of the week (from evening to evening) and not on the seventh day of the week from morning to morning, as He forced them to keep the seventh day with Manna in the desert for 40 years and tells us in Hebrews 3 and 4 that during those 40 years they did not enter God's "rest" established on the seventh day of creation from morning to morning. United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Yes, 100% we cannot enter into God's Rest by keeping the 7th day Sabbath of creation week..Hebrews 4:5 "They shall Never enter My Rest"...Is reference to the Rest in the 7th day...

Therefore God set a certain day called "Today"... Hebrews 4:7...

So, a different "day" was spoken by God in which man can enter into His Rest, that day is called "Today"...(is the day we "believe"...Hebrews 4:3)

Also, Jorge so the 10 commandments cannot be kept since the 7th day Sabbath commandment cannot be fulfilled according to Hebrews 4:5

 

[guevaraj]

So, a different "day" was spoken by God in which man can enter into His Rest, that day is called "Today"...(is the day we "believe"...Hebrews 4:3)

Brother, the different Sabbath since Joshua that God wants us to enter "today" is set in the time zone of the seventh day of creation that Joshua did not give to Judaism. Judaism keeps the correct Sabbath in the Promised Land, but Judaism's tradition of the Sabbath as the seventh day of the week since Joshua is wrong. The tradition of Judaism does not enter into God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation outside of the Promised Land, because the Sabbath God taught in the Promised Land from evening to evening is not a weekday from morning to morning, but falls between two weekdays because when God made the seventh day of creation "holy" He set the Sabbath in the time zone where He was at creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[pasifika]

Brother, the different Sabbath since Joshua that God wants us to enter "today" is set in the time zone of the seventh day of creation that Joshua did not give to Judaism. Judaism keeps the correct Sabbath in the Promised Land, but Judaism's tradition of the Sabbath as the seventh day of the week since Joshua is wrong. The tradition of Judaism does not enter into God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation outside of the Promised Land, because the Sabbath God taught in the Promised Land from evening to evening is not a weekday from morning to morning, but falls between two weekdays because when God made the seventh day of creation "holy" He set the Sabbath in the time zone where He was at creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

Was Moses wrong as well since God gave the 7th day Sabbath commandment to give to Israel to keep in the wilderness?

 

[guevaraj]

Was Moses wrong as well since God gave the 7th day Sabbath commandment to give to Israel to keep in the wilderness?

Brother, we don't know if Moses would have made the same mistake as Joshua when they entered the Promised Land, because Moses never entered the Promised Land. It was under Joshua's watch that they changed from a seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning with Manna to a Sabbath from evening-to-evening in the Promised Land. Under Joshua, they wrongly assumed that the Sabbath that God taught in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week when it was not the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning as it was at creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[guevaraj]

Also, Jorge so the 10 commandments cannot be kept since the 7th day Sabbath commandment cannot be fulfilled according to Hebrews 4:5

Brother, the Sabbath commandment can be fulfilled by everyone keeping it together when it starts in the Promised Land. When God made "holy" His "rest" on the seventh day of creation, He separated the Sabbath from the week in the time zone of creation. Together, as when multinational corporations have an emergency meeting via video conference with their heads in many countries of the world at different local times for those in different time zones.

So the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything in them was completed. On the seventh day God had finished his work of creation, so he rested from all his work. And God blessed the seventh day and declared it holy, because it was the day when He rested from all his work of creation. (Genesis 2:1-3 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[pasifika]

Brother, we don't know if Moses would have made the same mistake as Joshua when they entered the Promised Land, because Moses never entered the Promised Land. It was under Joshua's watch that they changed from a seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning with Manna to a Sabbath from evening-to-evening in the Promised Land. Under Joshua, they wrongly assumed that the Sabbath that God taught in the Promised Land was the seventh day of the week when it was not the seventh day of the week from morning-to-morning as it was at creation.

Now if Joshua had succeeded in giving them this rest, God would not have spoken about another day of rest still to come. (Hebrews 4:8 NLT)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

God was with Joshua as He was with Moses Joshua 1:5-7

So if Joshua change the time of Sabbath Rest in the promise land, God would've spoke to Him..Can you show me where did Joshua change the time of the Sabbath Rest in the promise land?

Thanks