Is the Lord's Day Saturday according to Acts of John (Apocryphal)?

[pasifika]

The Sabbath is not man-made, this is God-made, which seems to be what is being rejected:

God spoke and God wrote these words:


Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

And on the same note..."They shall never enter My Rest"...

Therefore, God set a certain day calling it "Today"

 

[Danthemailman]

The Sabbath is not man-made, this is God-made, which seems to be what is being rejected:

God spoke and God wrote these words:


Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Old Testament — old covenant. (Exodus 20:8-11)

New Testament — new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17)

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Now you've moved into the realm of interpretation.

You see a connection between the passage and Revelation and the passage in Matthew and other passages. That's your personal interpretation.

You have a personal interpretation, and I have a different personal interpretation,
and there we are.

Peace, my man.

Sunday being the Lords Day is not a personal interpretation, it does not exist.

We do have God claiming His day though over and over again in scripture:

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Your argument is without evidence, and should we just ignore or turn a blind eye to these very plain scripture where God is very clearly claiming His day for all eternity, just so one can do their will over what God wrote as His will?

 

[Servus]

The Sabbath is not man-made, this is God-made, which seems to be what is being rejected:

God spoke and God wrote these words:


Exodus 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

The doctrine you espouse regarding how the old covenant seventh day Jewish sabbath pertains to new covenant Christians is manmade. It can be easily traced back to those who came up with it long after Christianity started. There's very little that's been presented that I haven't already read from Ellen White. And I mean practically verbatim. Although she barrowed a lot of it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And on the same note..."They shall never enter My Rest"...

Therefore, God set a certain day calling it "Today"

You seem to be quoting this out of context:

Hebrews 4:7
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

This clearly does not say that today is the Sabbath day. God already defined that the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 we should not alter the Words that come out of God's mouth Proverbs 30:5-6

This is saying "Today" if you hear His voice (calling you) don't harden your hearts. God does not want us to "wait" to obey Him obey on another day, but Him "today" when you hear His voice.

The Israelites did not enter into God's rest because they disobeyed Hebrews 4:6

What did they disobey?

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The doctrine you espouse regarding how the old covenant seventh day Jewish sabbath pertains to new covenant Christians is manmade. There's very little that's been presented that I haven't already read from Ellen White. And I mean practically verbatim. Although she barrowed a lot of it.

Your argument is with our Most High, not anyone else because God wrote these Words with His finger and God spoke these Words and God kept His law, the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple, which is also revealed in heaven. Revelations 11:19

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Old Testament — old covenant. (Exodus 20:8-11)

New Testament — new covenant (Colossians 2:16-17)

We have been through this before and once we learn the Truth to God's Word, we should not harden our hearts. Colossians 2:16-17 is not referring to the seventh day Sabbath, which is made abundantly clear when we back up to Colossians 2:14. I am happy to go through this again with you.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments.

But we can keep going.
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments. Since there are no contradictions in scripture, it must be referring to another law. The law of Moses was placed outside the ark of the covenant, written by Moses in a book as a witness against you, Deuteronomy 31:24 God's law is not grievous 1 John 5:3. The law of Moses was added because of sin Galatians 3:19, the law of God points out sin, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. The law of Moses contained curses Deuteronomy 29:20-21, Galatians 3:10 and made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19. The law of God is perfect Psalms 19:7 and brings blessings and peace Proverbs 29:18, Psalms 119:165 the law of Moses in the book of ordinances ended with Jesus being our Perfect sacrifice. Ephesians 2:15, Col 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13 not God's law which is ETERNAL and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:17-19

So there is 100% proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring to the Ten Commandments it is referring to the law of ordinances, not the COMMANDMENTS of God. Is there a sabbath(s) in the law of ordinances? Yes, and fits Colossians 2:16 to a tee as is about food and drink and holy days called sabbath(s) in scripture which has nothing to do with the commandments of God that was before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and is a memorial to God's Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep holy Exodus 20:8. The sabbath(s) feast days (animal and food offerings) is what ended, that is in the ordinances in the law of Moses, that was contrary to us and ended with Jesus our Sacrifice -See Hebrews 10 which is what Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to.

One more proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring the seventh day Sabbath

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything, it points back to Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep Holy and does not point to Christ on the cross.

Further proof, the Sabbath day continues to be God's chosen day of worship for eternity: Isaiah 66:23 just like God promised Exodus 31:1

 

[Servus]

Your argument is with our Most High, not anyone else because God wrote these Words with His finger and God spoke these Words and God kept His law, the Ten Commandments inside the ark of the covenant in the Most Holy of God's Temple, which is also revealed in heaven. Revelations 11:19

No my argument is with a manmade latter day doctrine that came about long after Christianity began. The New Testament clearly dictates how the the old covenant law given to the Jews pertains to New Covenant Christians. And what the New Testament dictates is contrary to the manmade latter day doctrine which completely misapplies scripture. Like several other manmade latter day doctrines.

 

[pasifika]

You seem to be quoting this out of context:

Hebrews 4:7
“Today, if you will hear His voice,
Do not harden your hearts.”

This clearly does not say that today is the Sabbath day. God already defined that the Sabbath is on the seventh day Exodus 20:10 we should not alter the Words that come out of God's mouth Proverbs 30:5-6

This is saying "Today" if you hear His voice (calling you) don't harden your hearts. God does not want us to "wait" to obey Him obey on another day, but Him "today" when you hear His voice.

The Israelites did not enter into God's rest because they disobeyed Hebrews 4:6

What did they disobey?

Ezekiel 20:13 Yet the house of Israel rebelled against Me in the wilderness; they did not walk in My statutes; they despised My judgments, ‘which, if a man does, he shall live by them’; and they greatly defiled My Sabbaths.

Hebrews 4 is about our Sabbath Rest...

God's Sabbath Rest is on the 7th day..Hebrews 4:4

God's people Sabbath Rest is the day called "Today" ( Sabbath Day is call "Today" not today as you think)

Israelites did not enter because they didn't believe in the Gospel...Hebrews 3

 

[Carl Emerson]

From Brian...


Let's test your claims and see if they are true or not true. Do these scriptures posted earlier include Christians?

Revelation 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

• Who is "the woman" that the dragon (Satan) angry with? *Genesis 3:15; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23; Revelation 12:1-2; Revelation 19:7;
  
• Who is the remnant of her seed? *Romans 9:27
  
• Does the scripture say the dragon was making war with her seed or the remnant of her seed *Revelation 12:17?

According to the scriptures, "the woman" is represented as Gods Church and the devil is making war with the few (remnant) of her seed who keep the commandments of God. The remnant of her seed therefore are the few that are chosen.

This agrees with Matthew 22:14 that says the many are called but only the few are chosen (Matthew 22:14) We have looked at Revelation 12:17 showing that the remnant are the remnant of God's Church (the woman). Lets look at the other scriptures from Matthew 7?

Matthew 7:13-14 [13], Enter you in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leads to destruction, and many (most Christians) there be which go in thereat: [14], Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leads to life, and few (few Christians) there be that find it.

The above scriptures were posted with Matthew 7:21-23 in mind... So are we talking about Christians here? The scripture context that continues in Matthew 7:21-23 answers this question...

Matthew 7:21-23 [21], Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven. [22], Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out devils? and in your name done many wonderful works? [23], And then will I profess to them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity.

Note: the rest of the chapter context. Who are "the Many" that;

• Go through the wide gate that leads to destruction *Matthew 7:13-14?
• Say Lord Lord have we not prophesied in your name....*Matthew 7:22?
• Jesus says depart from me you who work iniquity *Matthew 7:23?

Amazing how God's Word answers our questions as He guides is with His Spirit don't you think? No need to guess any further or seek to explain away the scriptures with our opinions. Gods' Word speaks for itself and says the many include Christians as posted the first time round.

Take care Carl, Brian

Several points...

Your definition of Christian and mine are quite different. Real Christians don't fall away.
Your remnant theory divides the body of Christ. This is a very serious call.

You are making a firm stand that those who don't worship on Saturday and don't repent are ultimately damned.

The Woman in Reb 12 is not the Church - since when did the Church give birth to a male child?

Your position comes across as harsh, judgemental, angry, dangerous and deceptive.

This is a sad day.

 

[pasifika]

We have been through this before and once we learn the Truth to God's Word, we should not harden our hearts. Colossians 2:16-17 is not referring to the seventh day Sabbath, which is made abundantly clear when we back up to Colossians 2:14. I am happy to go through this again with you.

Colossians 2:14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The Ten Commandments is God-written (finger of God), the law of Moses is handwritten so right there you have your proof this is not talking about any of God's Ten Commandments.

But we can keep going.
having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us

This is most certainly not referring to any of the Ten Commandments.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and His commandments are not grievous. So there appears to be a contradiction to Col 2:14 and the Ten Commandments. Since there are no contradictions in scripture, it must be referring to another law. The law of Moses was placed outside the ark of the covenant, written by Moses in a book as a witness against you, Deuteronomy 31:24 God's law is not grievous 1 John 5:3. The law of Moses was added because of sin Galatians 3:19, the law of God points out sin, Romans 7:7, Romans 3:20. The law of Moses contained curses Deuteronomy 29:20-21, Galatians 3:10 and made nothing perfect Hebrews 7:19. The law of God is perfect Psalms 19:7 and brings blessings and peace Proverbs 29:18, Psalms 119:165 the law of Moses in the book of ordinances ended with Jesus being our Perfect sacrifice. Ephesians 2:15, Col 2:14-16, Hebrews 8:13 not God's law which is ETERNAL and UNCHANGING Matthew 5:17-19

So there is 100% proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring to the Ten Commandments it is referring to the law of ordinances, not the COMMANDMENTS of God. Is there a sabbath(s) in the law of ordinances? Yes, and fits Colossians 2:16 to a tee as is about food and drink and holy days called sabbath(s) in scripture which has nothing to do with the commandments of God that was before sin Genesis 2:1-3 and is a memorial to God's Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep holy Exodus 20:8. The sabbath(s) feast days (animal and food offerings) is what ended, that is in the ordinances in the law of Moses, that was contrary to us and ended with Jesus our Sacrifice -See Hebrews 10 which is what Colossians 2:14-16 is referring to.

One more proof Colossians 2:14-16 is not referring the seventh day Sabbath

Colossians 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. The Sabbath is not a shadow of anything, it points back to Creation "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep Holy and does not point to Christ on the cross.

Further proof, the Sabbath day continues to be God's chosen day of worship for eternity: Isaiah 66:23 just like Go d promised Exodus 31:1

And yet all the 10 commandments were also handwritten by Moses in the Book of the Law...

Sabbath day whether the 7th day or whatever days is included in Colossians 2

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Hebrews 4 is about our Sabbath Rest...

God's Sabbath Rest is on the 7th day..Hebrews 4:4

God's people Sabbath Rest is the day called "Today" ( Sabbath Day is call "Today" not today as you think)

Israelites did not enter because they didn't believe in the Gospel...Hebrews 3

Hebrews 4 is referring to 2 different rests. The seventh day Sabbath rest and the rest we receive in Christ when we obey. You do not receive the blessing God gives by disobedience, which makes clear in Hebrews 4. The Ten Commandments written by the finger of God are eternal, but you can work that out with God since He wrote this....

 

[SabbathBlessings]

And yet all the 10 commandments were also handwritten by Moses in the Book of the Law...

Sabbath day whether the 7th day or whatever days is included in Colossians 2

Handwritten exactly, in the book of ordinances that ended, not God-written in the Ten Commandments that is not grievous and is love to God when we obey. 1 John 5:3

 

[SabbathBlessings]

No my argument is with a manmade latter day doctrine that came about long after Christianity began. The New Testament clearly dictates how the the old covenant law given to the Jews pertains to New Covenant Christians. And what the New Testament dictates is contrary to the manmade latter day doctrine which completely misapplies scripture. Like several other manmade latter day doctrines.

Suit yourself, God's Word is not going away, and all will have to answer to Jesus when He comes back, which I think will be soon.

 

[Leaf473]

Sunday being the Lords Day is not a personal interpretation, it does not exist.

We do have God claiming His day though over and over again in scripture:

Genesis 2:3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.

Exodus 20:10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

Isaiah 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day, And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,

Mark 2:28 Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

Isaiah 66:23 And from one Sabbath to another,
All flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.

Your argument is without evidence, and should we just ignore or turn a blind eye to these very plain scripture where God is very clearly claiming His day for all eternity, just so one can do their will over what God wrote as His will?

The Lord's day being the first day of the week is a very possible interpretation. But one has to be willing to look outside of the scriptures for it to really make sense.

That might seem strange at first. But I think everyone agrees that Greek didn't start with the new testament, or end after that.

There were millions of Greek speakers at that time using those same words and phrases. They had meaning. So it seems like a good idea to see what those meanings are.

And may the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you.

 

[pasifika]

Hebrews 4 is referring to 2 different rests. The seventh day Sabbath rest and the rest we receive in Christ when we obey. You do not receive the blessing God gives by disobedience, which makes clear in Hebrews 4. The Ten Commandments written by the finger of God are eternal, but you can work that out with God since He wrote this....

So which rest in Hebrews 4 is this statement for; " they shall Never enter My Rest" Hebrews 4:5?

 

[Servus]

Suit yourself, God's Word is not going away, and all will have to answer to Jesus when He comes back, which I think will be soon.

And only a smattering of Christians will have the right answer, says the "only true church" of which there are several which came into existence long after Christianity began.

 

[guevaraj]

Hebrews 4 is referring to 2 different rests. The seventh day Sabbath rest and the rest we receive in Christ when we obey.

Sister, Hebrews 3 and 4 speaks of a single "rest", God's rest on the seventh day of creation. Any other meaning given to the word "rest" is not God's message in Hebrews 3 and 4.

For only we who believe can enter his rest. As for the others, God said, “In my anger I took an oath: ‘They will never enter my place of rest,’” even though this rest has been ready since he made the world. (Hebrews 4:3 NLT)​

The announcement that God wants us to "believe" that Joshua heard, but it did him no good and now written for us, is the story of the Sabbath with Manna that did not enter God's "rest" during the 40 years in the desert because by "oath" God made them keep the seventh day of the week as in Eden with Manna from morning to morning near the Promised Land when God had taught them to enter the Sabbath in the Promised Land at a different time from evening to evening which is not the seventh day of the week as entered in Eden from morning to morning. The translation above conditions that we "can", but are not entering God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation outside of the Promised Land since Joshua. The forced translation below where the name "Joshua" was mistaken as "Jesus" assumed that all who believe in Jesus do enter God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation.

For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. (Hebrews 4:3 KJV)​

The above translation gives false assurance of entering God's "rest" on the seventh day of creation outside of the Promised Land because it assumed that Joshua was Jesus in the next verse of the message of Hebrews 3 and 4.

For if Jesus (Joshua) had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. (Hebrews 4:8 KJV)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[pasifika]

Handwritten exactly, in the book of ordinances that ended, not God-written in the Ten Commandments that is not grievous and is love to God when we obey. 1 John 5:3

God also, commanded Moses to write commandments in the Book which includes the commandments written on stones.So The same commandments written in the Book has ended and the one written on stones has not?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So which rest in Hebrews 4 is this statement for; " they shall Never enter My Rest" Hebrews 4:5?

The gospel rest we receive in Christ when we obey. They did not enter rest because of their disobedience.

Hebrews 4:9 says there remains a Sabbath rest (the commandment- Exodus 20:8-11, Luke 23:56) for the people of God.

God’s Sabbath commandment came in a covenant of Ten, not nine Exodus 34:20, not wise to reduce these commandments and try to “forget” the commandment God told us to “Remember” and uses the word Holy and Blessed. What God blessed, man cannot reverse. Numbers 23:20

God bless and take care