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Is it time to stop policing the black community?

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by OldWiseGuy, Apr 22, 2021.

Is it time to stop policing the black community?

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  2. No

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  1. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    Because the American police are a paramilitary organisation who involve themselves in frequent extrajudicial killings.

    You want more of those psychos?
     
  2. Whyayeman

    Whyayeman Well-Known Member

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    Always. 'And when all hope is gone, fight on.'

    (I'll leave you to discover the origin of that quote.)
     
  3. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I'm aware that it exists, but it's way down the list of black problems, imo.

    I didn't cause it.
     
  4. Hazelelponi

    Hazelelponi Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think they should get there wish at this point, a full withdrawal of all police from inner cities.. just let them be no go zones and we can wall them off if they get too bad so they can't affect anyone else. We could air drop supplies and shoot anyone trying to leave...

    Then it's a win win, society is safe from criminals and they are allowed to do whatever they want without consequence.

    At this point I haven't any idea why police aren't just done with it and find another job. No one is even a little grateful that police are trying to keep people safe. Let them experience life without cops.
     
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  5. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    South Africa's problems have little to do with the history of apartheid just as the problems blacks face here has little to do with racism.
     
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  6. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    I did a brief search, but couldn't discover the origin. How do you think this applies to the conversation?
     
  7. Ken-1122

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    Whites have been selling drugs out of their homes long before the current generation. As far as if blacks will eventually quit selling on street corners and sell in private? Who knows. Selling in private is much better for society than selling in public; selling in public leads to drive-by shootings, fights, and countless other crimes that destroys neighborhoods, and innocent bystanders.
     
  8. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    And yet the gains blacks have made since in virtually every area of life are astounding. It is a minority that remains mired in generational poverty. They should build on the success of the black middle class.

    Black Progress: How far we’ve come, and how far we have to go (brookings.edu)
     
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  9. Ken-1122

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    The number of arrests is usually a pretty good indication of the amount of crime going on.
    You haven't proven that they are!
     
  10. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Satisfying the needs of hard core addicts who use drugs several times per day can't really be done 'on the downlow'. Thus you'll see a dozen or more addicts coming to the same street corner throughout the day to get their drugs. And while many of these addicts are white you'll rarely see a white dealer there...way too risky.

    White dealers also don't usually have a gang affiliation as do blacks. The cartels depend on such gangs to move lots of drugs securely, often, and fast. This means dealing in the open to hard core addicts, which is the backbone of the drug business.

    It is also the weak link that the DEA has yet to take advantage of. Curious that.
     
  11. Ken-1122

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    Actually you make a pretty good point! If they could make criminal activity look less attractive, that would do a lot! They can start by changing the culture that says “no snitchin” by using their cell phone to anonymously record criminal activity going on outside their homes and sending it to the police. When criminals become afraid to commit crime in public for fear of someone snitching behind closed doors, not only will that reduce crime, but it will attract more business into these already economically struggling neighborhoods creating more jobs, more opportunity, less poverty and safer streets!
    I don’t agree with you very often, but with this one I do.
     
  12. Ken-1122

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    I see you are not from America, so perhaps you don’t know the difference.

    Definition of POLICE FORCE

    Definition of PARAMILITARY
     
  13. LockeeDeck

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    No, it's a measure of the amount and type of policing going on.

    You are the one claiming that racism doesn't exist by dismissing peoples experiences. Go ahead and prove it.
     
  14. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Of course there's racism, and likely always will be. The question is how much and how does it manifest, what are it's effects? Can it be mitigated?
     
  15. TheBear

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    They can't have it both ways. Either abolish the police, or police all communities, including the black communities.
     
  16. SummerMadness

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    I never said there was no progress, but there should have been more progress. You are arguing as if the current middle class is a reflection of people working hard as opposed to people finding success in spite of racism. African Americans would have more wealth if not for the systemic and institutional impediments put in their way. There would be more home ownership if they actually received the same access to lending. They would have more wealth if they received the same access in employment. This does not mean that there was no progress, but there should be a lot more progress. The fact that African Americans lag behind is primarily because of the racism that still exists. As you pointed out, there were huge gains made and those gains were made when there were racist laws and practices standing in the way. Many of the racist laws of the past have been outlawed, but that doesn't mean that such laws and practices no longer exist today. They still do exist.
     
  17. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    You are correct that access to capital is a problem, for home buyers and businesses alike (consumer credit not so much). That is why it is crucial for blacks to build 'black capital' through savings and investments.
     
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  18. OldWiseGuy

    OldWiseGuy Wake me when it's soup. Supporter

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    Blacks and whites want to occupy and control the same space, without integrating peacefully. Laws and law enforcement are necessary to maintain the 'uneasy peace' that exists. As tensions between the two escalate more police will be needed.
     
  19. DamianWarS

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    I'm not so sure SA's police carries the catchphrase "To protect and to serve" which is an American coined tagline.
     
  20. ArmenianJohn

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    If you're aware it exists as you claim you are then you're not aware as to the extent of it. It is not "way down the list of black problems", it is at the top of the list.

    We white people all did and do. Here you are showing that your earlier claim that you're aware of it was just lip service because you just directly contradicted that. You said you're aware that it exists and now you claim it doesn't exist.

    And therein lies the whole problem; double-talk to placate while at the same time rejecting responsibility.

    Your presentation of your viewpoint here is just more evidence that you are currently and actively perpetuating it.
     
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