Is it time to stop policing the black community?

[RDKirk]

Not Ancestors, I'm talking about people who are alive today.

The WWII generation isn't completely gone yet, so for them, a lot. And not a small percentage of Boomers, either.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Of course there are trust issues with the white community but nothing like the lack of trust, and other issues, between blacks themselves. Also much of the mistrust today of white organizations, namely banking and healthcare, are largely misplaced.

No, the lack of trust is far greater with the white community than within the black community, plus most of the distrust within the black community is directly caused by the white system and rule that blacks are being held under. Also, the mistrust of white organizations, namely banking and healthcare, are largely justified because they have always mistreated blacks as second-class (or worse) citizens (or worse).

Again, you victim-blame rather than acknowledge your own responsibility for the plight of the black community. It's classic dodge and deflect.

 

[Ken-1122]

It was a hash tag so it was a lot of stories, that you are awfully quick to dismiss.

There will always be instances when some people get off with an unusually light sentence, and other times when the same people get unusually harsh sentences. To only point to the unusually light sentences of your group, and ignore the unusually harsh sentences of your group; pretending as if the light sentences is the norm is known as Cherry picking because it would be just as easy to point to the harsh sentence and ignore the light, in order to present a different agenda.

That minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the large incarcerated population is not in dispute.

Minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime is not in dispute either.

The police union quote was from the Obama era and unfortunately I can only find stuff on police being [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ty and being caught on camera on google. I did find a study where police complained about their use of personal discretion being diminished by the cameras but the main focus is on the affects of the police being able to turn off the cameras had on outcomes.

https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6684&context=nclr

You are quick to discount peoples lived experiences and are doing an awful lot of sea lioning for evidence for racism. I have to wonder why and what your true intents are. Do you not believe racism exists? Can you prove that racism doesn't exist?

If you’re gonna make claims; you should be prepared to back them up.

 

[LockeeDeck]

There will always be instances when some people get off with an unusually light sentence, and other times when the same people get unusually harsh sentences. To only point to the unusually light sentences of your group, and ignore the unusually harsh sentences of your group; pretending as if the light sentences is the norm is known as Cherry picking because it would be just as easy to point to the harsh sentence and ignore the light, in order to present a different agenda.

When people get off with a warning there is no paperwork, so this type of testimony is what we have to show that this sort of racial favoritism is happening. You discounting such testimony is pushing an agenda.

Minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime is not in dispute either.

You know very well that minorities are arrested more for crimes but that doesn't actually correlate with who does crime. Most crime isn't solved and again, police use their discretion to be more lenient on whites.

If you’re gonna make claims; you should be prepared to back them up.

Prove minorities actually commit a disproportionate amount of crime or that whites are not treated more leniently by the police

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, the lack of trust is far greater with the white community than within the black community, plus most of the distrust within the black community is directly caused by the white system and rule that blacks are being held under. Also, the mistrust of white organizations, namely banking and healthcare, are largely justified because they have always mistreated blacks as second-class (or worse) citizens (or worse).

What do you think the remedy is?

Again, you victim-blame rather than acknowledge your own responsibility for the plight of the black community. It's classic dodge and deflect.

The 'plight' of the black community is their responsibility to deal with now.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

There will always be instances when some people get off with an unusually light sentence, and other times when the same people get unusually harsh sentences. To only point to the unusually light sentences of your group, and ignore the unusually harsh sentences of your group; pretending as if the light sentences is the norm is known as Cherry picking because it would be just as easy to point to the harsh sentence and ignore the light, in order to present a different agenda.

Minorities commit a disproportionate amount of crime is not in dispute either.

Here's an example for you:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-conten...elve_facts_incarceration_prisoner_reentry.pdf

See point #6. Blacks and whites use and sell drugs at similar rates, but blacks have significantly higher rates of arrest and incarceration, and receive harsher sentences as well. So no only are you three times as likely to be arrested for using drugs if you're black, if you're arrested, you're also about twice as likely to end up in jail rather than on probation or in rehab. And your sentence will likely be higher than a white person's.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Here's an example for you:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-conten...elve_facts_incarceration_prisoner_reentry.pdf

See point #6. Blacks and whites use and sell drugs at similar rates, but blacks have significantly higher rates of arrest and incarceration, and receive harsher sentences as well. So no only are you three times as likely to be arrested for using drugs if you're black, if you're arrested, you're also about twice as likely to end up in jail rather than on probation or in rehab. And your sentence will likely be higher than a white person's.

Perhaps this is the reason (from your link).

"Drug-related crime is certainly a broad category that does not allow for distinctions to be made regarding the seriousness of the drug-related crime."

White drug users and dealers aren't involved in the horrific level of violence associated with black drug dealing and use. For example white drug dealers don't do drive-by shootings that kill innocent people.

 

[Ken-1122]

When people get off with a warning there is no paperwork, so this type of testimony is what we have to show that this sort of racial favoritism is happening. You discounting such testimony is pushing an agenda.



You know very well that minorities are arrested more for crimes but that doesn't actually correlate with who does crime. Most crime isn't solved and again, police use their discretion to be more lenient on whites.



Prove minorities actually commit a disproportionate amount of crime or that whites are not treated more leniently by the police

Black people make up 12% of the population yet they make up 25% of the prison population. But when you look at crime; they commit 53% of murders and 54% of robberies; according to the FBI crime stats

Table 21

When you look at the percentages of all the crimes they commit; a case can be made that a 25% incarceration rate is under represented when compared to the percentage of crime they commit.

 

[Ken-1122]

Here's an example for you:
https://www.brookings.edu/wp-conten...elve_facts_incarceration_prisoner_reentry.pdf

See point #6. Blacks and whites use and sell drugs at similar rates, but blacks have significantly higher rates of arrest and incarceration, and receive harsher sentences as well. So no only are you three times as likely to be arrested for using drugs if you're black, if you're arrested, you're also about twice as likely to end up in jail rather than on probation or in rehab. And your sentence will likely be higher than a white person's.

Blacks are more likely to sell drugs on street corners and in the open, whereas white people are more likely to sell drugs in the privacy of their homes. If you sell in the open, you are more likely to get caught.

Blacks Less Likely To Sell Drugs, Much More Likely To Be Arrested For It: Study | HuffPost

 

[ArmenianJohn]

What do you think the remedy is?

To eliminate systemic racism. And that starts with white people all having an awareness that it does exist instead of denying that it exists and choosing to instead blame the victims of what they're perpetuating.

The 'plight' of the black community is their responsibility to deal with now.

No, it's still our responsibility since we are the ones who caused it.

 

[Pommer]

Not Ancestors, I'm talking about people who are alive today.

If they’re “property owners”, yes, they typically do leave their real estate to their children or grandchildren...but if they do not hold any real estate, because they could never afford a home because of “bad things” banks did back in ye olden days, (up to the 1970’s), to make sure only the top of the top was getting a mortgage, (for which the black folk paid more interest than similarly situated white folk). Is it getting better but even as recently as 2019 only
41% of black people owned their own home.
It’s hard to build an real estate portfolio, paying rent.

 

[Pommer]

Blacks are more likely to sell drugs on street corners and in the open, whereas white people are more likely to sell drugs in the privacy of their homes. If you sell in the open, you are more likely to get caught.

Blacks Less Likely To Sell Drugs, Much More Likely To Be Arrested For It: Study | HuffPost

With white people it’s the present generation that’s lost it’s morals (to the point of selling drugs out of their HOME); whereas with blacks it’s the next generation?

 

[LockeeDeck]

Black people make up 12% of the population yet they make up 25% of the prison population. But when you look at crime; they commit 53% of murders and 54% of robberies; according to the FBI crime stats

Table 21

When you look at the percentages of all the crimes they commit; a case can be made that a 25% incarceration rate is under represented when compared to the percentage of crime they commit.

Again that's ARRESTS not crime, also you haven't proven that whites are not treated more leniently.

Also this
The data suggest that most of the other 54.5% of violent crimes and 82.4% of property crimes in 2018 went unsolved

 

[Pommer]

Black people make up 12% of the population yet they make up 25% of the prison population. But when you look at crime; they commit 53% of murders and 54% of robberies; according to the FBI crime stats

Table 21

When you look at the percentages of all the crimes they commit; a case can be made that a 25% incarceration rate is under represented when compared to the percentage of crime they commit.

Gee, maybe if we could, I dunno, eliminate poverty as a factor in making criming look attractive to young black people?
But no, they’ll have to prove themselves worthy first, huh?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Doesn't a lot of that violence happen outside the community?

No.

Statistically speaking...the black community is victimized overwhelmingly by the black community.

If you're looking for violence between races ,the black community victimizes other communities more often than not.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Gee, maybe if we could, I dunno, eliminate poverty as a factor in making criming look attractive to young black people?
But no, they’ll have to prove themselves worthy first, huh?

Yeah yeah...just eliminate poverty. You know...do what no one has ever done....ever.

Because that's how crime works....gang members typically go around applying for jobs, get rejected, and join a gang as a last resort?

Oddly, the NFL provides an interesting perspective....

More On The Rate Of Domestic Violence Arrests Among NFL Players

That's because they have a large pool of black men at the age crime is it's highest....who also have a 0% poverty rate.

Compared to men in their age group as a whole....black NFL players commit less crime.

Yet compared to men in their income range....they commit significantly more.

There's something going on there...it's related to wealth, but not entirely.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Again that's ARRESTS not crime, also you haven't proven that whites are not treated more leniently.

Also this
The data suggest that most of the other 54.5% of violent crimes and 82.4% of property crimes in 2018 went unsolved

You haven't proven whites are treated more leniently.

Rather odd that you think someone has to disprove a claim that you haven't proven.

The solution is to have a publicized meeting between the mayor and police heads with the black community and put it to task. Give them 2 choices: either support white officers who serve your community and stand behind them giving them a fair chance when something happens or ONLY black officers will be sent to ANY event that involves ANY blacks and if one isn't available.... you have to WAIT even if it is life and death...
The "cure" for all this black on white crap is to gut entire police forces and ONLY hire black officers to patrol the entire city that way there is no whites to "blame" for anything that happens.

Ahhh....I guess you didn't hear. It's not just the white people who are guilty of being white. White people are now synonymous for evil behavior....according to some....so when the non-white people engage in evil behavior it's because of their whiteness.

 

[Sophrosyne]

You haven't proven whites are treated more leniently.

Rather odd that you think someone has to disprove a claim that you haven't proven.



Ahhh....I guess you didn't hear. It's not just the white people who are guilty of being white. White people are now synonymous for evil behavior....according to some....so when the non-white people engage in evil behavior it's because of their whiteness.

yup.... we have people with woke bleach syndrome

 

[Larniavc]

I was referring the present post-apartheid period.

Which is a result of the apartheid period. How do you not know this?

 

[SummerMadness]

Times have changed since the 1960's. Many of those barriers are gone. They must keep trying.

Housing and mortgage discrimination still occur at a significant rate. Discriminatory practices did not cease in the 1960s, they simply evolved. There were no more covenant decrees or reclining, but there were people denied or steered away from certain mortgage packages based on their race (they had the same financial background/ability as their white counterparts yet were given more expensive mortgage options). There is also wage and job discrimination, these all have a large impact on generational wealth.