Is it time to stop policing the black community?

[Ken-1122]

Perhaps police officers could be trained differently.

Different in what way?

 

[Larniavc]

Do you know what's happening in South Africa in this regard?

And you want that for America?

An odd take.

 

[DamianWarS]

For the sake of racial justice perhaps we need different sets of laws for each ethnic group. Law enforcement in the black community has been troubling for both sides. Maybe they should be authorized to police their own communities. Thoughts?

This already happens. Departments are community based.

 

[TLK Valentine]

I'm referring to non-compliance to police orders, not bias in pulling drivers over. In case after case highlighted in the media the black victim of police 'brutality' had a police record, often had an outstanding warrant, had a vehicle deficiency, and resisted arrest.

Which of those merits summary execution?

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

A report I listened to about Cape Town gang violence is that, basically, the police stopped policing there. Violence went on and got much much worse. Now it's a real problem.
I highly doubt police ignoring Cape Town is the only cause of such huge rates of violence though.

 

[TLK Valentine]

A report I listened to about Cape Town gang violence is that, basically, the police stopped policing there. Violence went on and got much much worse. Now it's a real problem.
I highly doubt police ignoring Cape Town is the only cause of such huge rates of violence though.

Probably not, but when the people who are supposed to serve and protect decide instead to retreat and surrender, I don't see how that can be an improvement.

 

[Confused-by-christianity]

Probably not, but when the people who are supposed to serve and protect decide instead to retreat and surrender, I don't see how that can be an improvement.

Yeah that's pretty bad.
I've always thought that the well being of all of earth's population is very important.

 

[SummerMadness]

Do you have a link showing it has been retracted?

It's right in PNAS.

Retraction for Johnson et al., Officer characteristics and racial disparities in fatal officer-involved shootings

 

[RDKirk]

This already happens. Departments are community based.

Some are.

 

[RDKirk]

And I am really angry with anyone who tries to equate police brutality with racism. They are separate problems and tying one to the other is a disrespect to both problems.

Police brutality is a general problem, and sometimes it's compounded by racism.

And black cops can be racist against black citizens. Black people can very well be racist against black people. In fact, the only cops who have ever disrespected me personally have been black cops.

That doesn't mean I'm not still utterly careful around white cops....

 

[Speedwell]

Have we decided what a "black community" is? What percentage of black people makes a neighborhood or town a "black community?" Or is "black community" code for something else?

 

[RDKirk]

Have we decided what a "black community" is? What percentage of black people makes a neighborhood or town a "black community?" Or is "black community" code for something else?

that's not an uninteresting question.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

And you want that for America?

An odd take.

I don't want that for America.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Have we decided what a "black community" is? What percentage of black people makes a neighborhood or town a "black community?" Or is "black community" code for something else?

"Black community" is a media term meaning the general population of black people. However there are two distinct groups; the black middle class, and the black underclass. Most of the media attention involves the black underclass, while the black middle class is virtually ignored by the liberal media.

 

[RDKirk]

"Black community" is a media term meaning the general population of black people. However there are two distinct groups; the black middle class, and the black underclass. Most of the media attention involves the black underclass, while the black middle class is virtually ignored by the liberal media.

That's basically true. For the most part, the black middle class is physically dispersed among the white middle class, although some black middle class enclaves do exist in a few metropolitan areas.

But there is still a "community" including both the underclass and the middle class in terms of responses to various social salients that don't distinguish between those classes. Like police at a traffic stop, for instance.

 

[Whyayeman]

Well, it is true that middle class black people in cars are disproportionately stopped by police in the UK. A black barrister reported the other day that she had been taken for a defendant by court officials several times in one day.

This is indicative of prejuduce, but middle class black people tend not to get shot.

 

[Larniavc]

I don't want that for America.

Then don’t imply it. How is having white cops for white folk and black cops for black folks any different from have separate seats on buses?

Are you that historically and societorially blind that you scan’t see that?

 

[Speedwell]

"Black community" is a media term meaning the general population of black people. However there are two distinct groups; the black middle class, and the black underclass. Most of the media attention involves the black underclass, while the black middle class is virtually ignored by the liberal media.

So "black community" to you is an inner-city neighborhood where poor black people who are too lazy to get jobs live.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's basically true. For the most part, the black middle class is physically dispersed among the white middle class, although some black middle class enclaves do exist in a few metropolitan areas.

This is true, however when pressed (by the press) they often support the complaints of the underclass, if only to protect themselves from criticism.

 

[Speedwell]

This is true, however when pressed (by the press) they often support the complaints of the underclass, if only to protect themselves from criticism.

Do you think the "underclass" have no legitimate complaints?