Is it time to stop policing the black community?

[OldWiseGuy]

No, that's outside of the black community, by the people who are causing the lack of trust - white people, especially white cops and the white establishment/system. It's easier for you to victim-blame than to accept your responsibility in the situation.

Of course there are trust issues with the white community but nothing like the lack of trust, and other issues, between blacks themselves. Also much of the mistrust today of white organizations, namely banking and healthcare, are largely misplaced.

 

[Landon Caeli]

The idea that we do not need the police is totally insane. If anything, we need twice as many officers as we have.

Please no.

 

[Pommer]

Of course there are trust issues with the white community but nothing like the lack of trust, and other issues, between blacks themselves. Also much of the mistrust today of white organizations, namely banking and healthcare, are largely misplaced.

Have you, personally, ever been in a place, (venue, meeting hall, concert, church), where you were the only person of your race?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

The 1960s isn't that long ago in generational terms and many but not all the barriers are gone. Racism still exists in places where personal discretion exists including but not limited to granting loans and appraising home values. That sort thing can't just be ignored when discussing minority issues.

That's why it important for blacks to support black owned businesses and black owned banks, or black-friendly banks. You can't spend more money than you earn and build wealth. Blacks as a consumer demographic spend 4 percent more than they earn each year, and while many white people do this as well we can 'get away with it' more easily as we have established great monetary wealth and credit. Blacks will start at ground zero, but the same can be done over time.

Ninety-five percent of black earnings come from white (or other) owned businesses. This is a huge transfer of wealth from white to black via earned income. But just as fast blacks spend 95 percent of those dollars in white (or other) owned businesses, shunning black owned businesses for the most part.

It is worth studying the effect of the Equal Rights Act on black business in the U.S. Blacks flocked to obtain that which they had been denied for so long and in doing so doomed what was a growing black business class.

*Ninety-five percent plus or minus.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Isn't trust something that must be earned?

In the case of healthcare blacks (and Latinos) must take a leap of faith.

 

[Whyayeman]

"Barrier" implies insurmountable obstacle...

No, it doesn't. Barriers can be overcome or circumvented. Most of the barriers against black people - all, probably - have been erected by white people.

I suggest that America is a deeply divided country which has not fully come to terms with slavery and its legacy. The descendants of those slaves have never fully shaken off their yoke and the descendants of the slavers have never fully reconciled themselves to their loss.

 

[Ken-1122]

They also highlight that their work cannot be used to argue there is no racial bias, which is what many of the people parading this paper around are trying to do.

I wasn't using it to claim there is no such a thing as racial bias, I was using it to refute the claim that white officers are more likely to kill black citizens than black officers.

 

[Ken-1122]

Even today there are stories of black property being taken and auctioned off for pennies because of issues with heir property and companies buying a single stake from a far flung relative.

You aren't suggesting this happens more often to black property owners than white property owners are you?

 

[Ken-1122]

The fact that a black person is more likely to be arrested and serve jail time than a white person who has committed the exact same offence is another barrier to employment.

Can you give examples of this? Or some type of outside source?

 

[LockeeDeck]

You aren't suggesting this happens more often to black property owners than white property owners are you?

The issue has something to do with heir property being more likely to be black owned as that is the default in many jurisdictions when the ancestor had no will. Combine that with issues in property law regarding heir property and general racism, then yes I'd venture to guess it would be more of an issue with black property owners than white property owners, at least proportionately. Probably why the law hasn't changed to cover that situation.

 

[LockeeDeck]

Can you give examples of this? Or some type of outside source?

There was a fascinating twitter hashtag of #crimingwhilewhite of white people talking about the crimes the police let off with a warning with that landed black people with years of incarceration. The stats back up the stories as does the fact the police unions admitted that if body cams became more prominent they would have to enforce laws against white people too.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, it doesn't. Barriers can be overcome or circumvented.

So there is hope.

Black household income is rising across the United States (brookings.edu)

 

[Ken-1122]

Please no.

Why do you feel more cops is a bad idea?

 

[Ken-1122]

The issue has something to do with heir property being more likely to be black owned as that is the default in many jurisdictions when the ancestor had no will.

Are you saying black property owners are less likely to have a will than white property owners? What do you base that on?

 

[Ken-1122]

There was a fascinating twitter hashtag of #crimingwhilewhite of white people talking about the crimes the police let off with a warning with that landed black people with years of incarceration.

Isn’t that sorta “cherry picking”? Some white guy who got off lucky, then claims this is typical of all white guys? Anybody can do that; even black people.

The stats back up the stories as does the fact the police unions admitted that if body cams became more prominent they would have to enforce laws against white people too.

Can you point to the stats that support this claim, as well as the Police Union that made this admission?

 

[Landon Caeli]

Why do you feel more cops is a bad idea?

It reminds me of a police state. Plus I've had some serious physical and verbal confrontations in the past with police. One even begged me to fight him "off the record", and that's aside from one ramming his elbow in my back, and slamming me against my own car.

 

[LockeeDeck]

Are you saying black property owners are less likely to have a will than white property owners? What do you base that on?

Ancestral property owners? Yes, because of racism.

 

[Ken-1122]

Ancestral property owners? Yes, because of racism.

Not Ancestors, I'm talking about people who are alive today.

 

[LockeeDeck]

Isn’t that sorta “cherry picking”? Some white guy who got off lucky, then claims this is typical of all white guys? Anybody can do that; even black people.

It was a hash tag so it was a lot of stories, that you are awfully quick to dismiss.

Can you point to the stats that support this claim

That minorities make up a disproportionate amount of the large incarcerated population is not in dispute.

as well as the Police Union that made this admission?

The police union quote was from the Obama era and unfortunately I can only find stuff on police being [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]ty and being caught on camera on google. I did find a study where police complained about their use of personal discretion being diminished by the cameras but the main focus is on the affects of the police being able to turn off the cameras had on outcomes.

https://scholarship.law.unc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=6684&context=nclr

You are quick to discount peoples lived experiences and are doing an awful lot of sea lioning for evidence for racism. I have to wonder why and what your true intents are. Do you not believe racism exists? Can you prove that racism doesn't exist?

 

[LockeeDeck]

Not Ancestors, I'm talking about people who are alive today.

And I'm not, heir property is property owned by a family group and everyone in that group owns a portion. An ancestor in a more racist time would have had a harder time to get a proper will setup and enforced, so heir property is defaulted to. Generations later a company comes by and buys out a far flung relative that might not even know they own a portion of the property and then the company goes to the judge to get the property auctioned to cash out. The judge agrees as the property can't be split, especially if it's a lot of heirs and because it's usually a small local government run auction few know about it and it's sold for a fraction of the actual value, usually to the same company that bought out the relative.

And thus more black generational wealth is taken from them.