Is it time to stop policing the black community?

[Larniavc]

South Africa's problems have little to do with the history of apartheid just as the problems blacks face here has little to do with racism.

Rubbish. Colonialism and racism. Ring any bells. Although to be fair they did not engage in genocide quite as much as whites in the conquest of the Americas.

 

[Larniavc]

I see you are not from America, so perhaps you don’t know the difference.

Definition of POLICE FORCE

Definition of PARAMILITARY

My point exactly.

smh

 

[Ana the Ist]

"The most difficult task that the 'race hustlers' face is imputing guilt to the guiltless." -OldWiseGuy

I used to think the same....but apparently a lot of people are fully willing to ascribe to a guilt they can never make amends for.

They've decided it's a feature of their race so it's not something they can change.

No....the most difficult task is hiding their failures.

If someone has the same answer to every problem....they aren't good at understanding problems. They won't be any good at solving them either. That's hard to hide

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Rubbish. Colonialism and racism. Ring any bells. Although to be fair they did not engage in genocide quite as much as whites in the conquest of the Americas.

It's the ghost of slavery that haunts many blacks yet today, blacks that never suffered under it. I just wonder what the fear is today. Of course it doesn't help when a national Democrat leader warns that the Republican party "wants to put ya'll back in chains."

 

[Oneiric1975]

Cops are trained to shoot people.

Hopefully that is not ALL they are trained to do. Correct?

 

[Speedwell]

It's the ghost of slavery that haunts many blacks yet today, blacks that never suffered under it. I just wonder what the fear is today. Of course it doesn't help when a national Democrat leader warns that the Republican party "wants to put ya'll back in chains."

It's not just slavery. Within living memory, white men were stringing up random black men just for the fun of it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

It's not just slavery. Within living memory, white men were stringing up random black men just for the fun of it.

And today you've got blacks senselessly killing whites. Many just to 'even the score'.

 

[Speedwell]

And today you've got blacks senselessly killing whites. Many just to 'even the score'.

Really? What is the score?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Really? What is the score?

Let's see. How far back does "within living memory" go. We'll start counting from there.

 

[Oneiric1975]

It's the ghost of slavery that haunts many blacks yet today, blacks that never suffered under it.

I highly recommend "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. While people today haven't experienced slavery, the follow-on of Jim Crow still reverberates today. Systemic racism is real, whether we in White America want to believe it or not.

I just wonder what the fear is today.

Hmmm, how about 43 states immediately enacting restrictive voting laws that look a LOT like they are aimed at people of color right after one of the biggest bigots in the Oval Office lost his bid for re-election?

Maybe (just hear me out on this) it's also scary to think that one can be killed on the street for passing a fake $20 or selling loose cigarettes. I know those are horrible crimes, like hanging an air freshener in one's rearview...but it seems that maybe the "auto-death-sentence" option is a bit too far.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I highly recommend "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. While people today haven't experienced slavery, the follow-on of Jim Crow still reverberates today. Systemic racism is real, whether we in White America want to believe it or not.

"Systemic racism" is a vague term, but I suspect it's the natural result of people who are widely different ethnically and culturally occupying the same space.

Hmmm, how about 43 states immediately enacting restrictive voting laws that look a LOT like they are aimed at people of color right after one of the biggest bigots in the Oval Office lost his bid for re-election?

A natural response to what is believed to be election fraud.

Maybe (just hear me out on this) it's also scary to think that one can be killed on the street for passing a fake $20 or selling loose cigarettes. I know those are horrible crimes, like hanging an air freshener in one's rearview...but it seems that maybe the "auto-death-sentence" option is a bit too far.

Blacks receive more policing because of high crime rates in black neighborhoods. Blacks also call the police into their neighborhoods more often than others, thus elevating the risk of deadly responses by them.

Do you think there should be less policing in minority neighborhoods?

 

[Ken-1122]

My point exactly.

smh

No; that's not your point, unless you didn't really mean what you said but were just being hyperbolic.

 

[Ken-1122]

I highly recommend "The New Jim Crow" by Michelle Alexander. While people today haven't experienced slavery, the follow-on of Jim Crow still reverberates today. Systemic racism is real, whether we in White America want to believe it or not.

Can you give an example of systemic racism that exist today?

Maybe (just hear me out on this) it's also scary to think that one can be killed on the street for passing a fake $20 or selling loose cigarettes. I know those are horrible crimes, like hanging an air freshener in one's rearview...but it seems that maybe the "auto-death-sentence" option is a bit too far.

Kinda funny how the smallest infractions can lead to your death if you refuse to cooperate with the police.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

If someone has the same answer to every problem....they aren't good at understanding problems. They won't be any good at solving them either. That's hard to hide

I think I have discovered a phenomenon that may reveal why this is so. The solution to their problems is found in white culture and behavior (When in Rome...), which is unacceptable to a large segment of the black community, mainly the underclass. This is something that we can't fix.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Do you think there should be less policing in minority neighborhoods?

Given that studies show that black neighborhoods are "over-policed" thereby increasing the possibility of bad outcomes, then "yes".

Statistics show that black kids use drugs at about the same rate as white kids yet it is almost guaranteed that for the same crime a black kid will get prison time, while the white kid gets a mild slap on the wrist. This builds the "school-to-prison pipeline".

There IS systemic racism...it isn't just "seems". This doesn't mean we are a messed-up society. But if we act like it doesn't exist despite the massive data it would make us a very, very bad society.

 

[Oneiric1975]

Can you give an example of systemic racism that exist today?

Disparity in sentencing and prosecutions:
Racial Disparity in Sentencing

Kinda funny how the smallest infractions can lead to your death if you refuse to cooperate with the police.

I didn't see George Floyd refusing to cooperate. Ultimately he cooperated to the full extent and died.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Given that studies show that black neighborhoods are "over-policed" thereby increasing the possibility of bad outcomes, then "yes".

Statistics show that black kids use drugs at about the same rate as white kids yet it is almost guaranteed that for the same crime a black kid will get prison time, while the white kid gets a mild slap on the wrist. This builds the "school-to-prison pipeline".

There IS systemic racism...it isn't just "seems". This doesn't mean we are a messed-up society. But if we act like it doesn't exist despite the massive data it would make us a very, very bad society.

Black kids go to prison for drug related crimes, often violent, not for just 'using' drugs.

Racism isn't a one way street. Much of the problem is black racism. How do we deal with that?

 

[Speedwell]

Black kids go to prison for drug related crimes, often violent, not for just 'using' drugs.

LOL!

 

[Oneiric1975]

Black kids go to prison for drug related crimes, often violent, not for just 'using' drugs.

Spin it as you need to.

Racism isn't a one way street. Much of the problem is black racism. How do we deal with that?

I have never in my entire 56 years on this planet suffered racism at the hands of black people.

I honestly don't even know what that would look like.

 

[Oneiric1975]

LOL!

It's a standard talking point for those who wish to ignore the data on bias in sentencing.