• Welcome to Christian Forums
  1. Welcome to Christian Forums, a forum to discuss Christianity in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

  2. The forums in the Christian Congregations category are now open only to Christian members. Please review our current Faith Groups list for information on which faith groups are considered to be Christian faiths. Christian members please remember to read the Statement of Purpose threads for each forum within Christian Congregations before posting in the forum.
  3. Please note there is a new rule regarding the posting of videos. It reads, "Post a summary of the videos you post . An exception can be made for music videos.". Unless you are simply sharing music, please post a summary, or the gist, of the video you wish to share.
  4. There have been some changes in the Life Stages section involving the following forums: Roaring 20s, Terrific Thirties, Fabulous Forties, and Golden Eagles. They are changed to Gen Z, Millennials, Gen X, and Golden Eagles will have a slight change.
  5. CF Staff, Angels and Ambassadors; ask that you join us in praying for the world in this difficult time, asking our Holy Father to stop the spread of the virus, and for healing of all affected.

Featured IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    You are quoting from Matthew 23. This is the same chapter I quoted to you from before. In verse 23, it says they ignored the weightier matters of the Law like faith, justice, and mercy. Jesus is saying in verse 3 that we are not to follow what they say or teach because they do not practice what they preach.

    The thing is that the OSAS proponent today can be described as being like a Pharisee because they tell others that we are to believe the Bible and obey it, but yet they themselves do not obey it. They do not obey the commands of Jesus and His followers and they actually attack others who say that we must follow the Lord's commands in the NT.
     
  2. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    BTW

    I haven't seen a response to the following yet:

    Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in(in, in) the kingdom of heaven Matt5:19
     
  3. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    You are making assumptions about my life without any information.
    I did not tell you anything about my life and you are making assumptions.
    Again, it is against forum rules to make discussions about the poster.
    If you violate the forum rules, it will not go well for you if you persist in doing so. So please do not make the topic of discussion about me and address the topic with Scripture; Otherwise you are violating forum rules.
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2018
  4. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

    +4,069
    Non-Denom
    Celibate
    I think one almost has to have a past, and the more hell they go through, the more, if they turn their life around in the future, the more "secure they can feel" in their own salvation (and if they learn to how build their house upon the rock mass)...

    I think OSAS is impossible to solve since it is up to God; may be true for some people, and not so for others... But my point is I think only God knows and can answer that one for sure, and it may not be till we get to heaven... I know a person can "feel" more secure in their salvation at different parts and points in their life, or for a while after a certain point in their life, but, like I said, maybe going through some hell first...

    But whether they were "Once Saved (only had to be saved one time...?, I admit I don't fully understand this part...?), Once Saved, Always (now whether they were always saved or not, I don't know), (get's into predestination and choice and free-will, and God's Sovereignty and Omniscience and such and the like, which I don't want to get into right now or into details with right now)...

    Anyway, whether they were "always saved", or OSAS, or can't lose their salvation after a particular point in their life that has now past, I do not know... I think God only knows that... It could be different for different people...

    God Bless!
     
  5. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    More hypocrisy I am afraid. For you do not even try to obey each and every literal command of Christ in the Gospels. Would you like me to quote a few?
     
  6. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    Oh I do not intend to be on this website for long, in truth it is a waste of time in my view.
    I have the authority of scripture to form my opinions. The idea you fully obey the moral law and are perfect in your flesh is absurd. Many come onto the internet, who think they know, for they would not get very far outside of it with their views
     
  7. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    No, no, no. You are not getting off the hook that easy.

    Here is just a sampling of the insane amount of ritualistic laws that you would have to keep while being under the Law of Moses.

    Sacrifices

    1. The continual burnt offering (Tamid sacrifice) must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-6)
    2. The grain and drink offering must be offered twice daily. (Numbers 28:2-8)
    3. An additional sacrifice must be offered every Sabbath. (Numbers 28:9-10)
    4. An additional sacrifice must be offered on The New Moon. (Numbers 28:11-15)
    5. An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover). (Numbers 28:18-24)
    6. The Omer offering of the first barley must also be brought on the first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) and must be waved by the priests on the second day of the Feast. (Leviticus 23:10-14)
    7. An additional offering must be offered at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Numbers 28:26-30)
    8. Two wave loaves of bread baked with salt must be offered on The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost). (Leviticus 23:17)
    9. An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Feast of Trumpets. (Numbers 29:1-6)
    10. An additional sacrifice must be offered on the Day of Atonement. (Numbers 29:7-8)
    11. The Atonement Service must be performed on the Day of Atonement. (Leviticus 16:2-34)
    12. An additional sacrifice must be offered every day of The Feast of Tabernacles. (Numbers 29:12-34)
    13. An additional sacrifice must be offered on The Last Great Day. (Numbers 29:35-40)
    14. Three times a year keep a Feast to Yahweh: at The Feast of Unleavened Bread, at The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and at The Feast of Tabernacles. (Exodus 23:14-17)
    15. The Feasts of Yahweh must be kept only at the Place Yahweh chooses, at the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 12:5-7, 14)
    16. Every household must appear before Yahweh and rejoice at the Feasts. (Deuteronomy 16:14)
    17. The Passover Lamb must be killed on the fourteenth day of Abib between the two evenings. (Numbers 28:16)
    18. The Passover Lamb must be eaten on the night of the fifteenth of Abib.(Exodus 12:8-11)
    19. Those who are unclean from a dead body or away on a journey (stranded, detained, or imprisoned) must kill the Passover Lamb in the Second Moon. (Numbers 9:10-11)
    20. The Passover in the Second Moon must be held according to all its ordinances. (Numbers 9:11-12)
    21. The silver trumpets must be sounded at Feast times, New Moons, and also in times of tribulation, to call the congregation together. (Numbers 10:2, 9-10)
    22. All animals to be sacrificed must be at least eight days old. (Leviticus 22:27)
    23. All animals to be sacrificed must be without blemish. (Leviticus 22:21)
    24. All offerings must be salted. (Leviticus 2:13)
    25. The Law of the burnt offering. (Leviticus 1:2-17)
    26. The Law of the sin offering. (Leviticus 6:25-30)
    27. The Law of the trespass offering. (Leviticus 7:1-2, 7)
    28. The Law of the peace offering. (Leviticus 3:1-17)
    29. The Law of the grain offering. (Leviticus 2:1-16)
    30. If the congregation sins ignorantly, a sin offering must be brought. (Leviticus 4:13-21)
    31. If a person sins ignorantly, a sin offering must be brought when he learns of his sin. (Leviticus 4:27-35)
    32. If a person is in doubt as to whether he has sinned in regard to any of the holy things, a suspensive guilt offering must be brought. (Leviticus 5:15-19)
    33. A sin offering must be brought for stealing, swearing falsely, and sins of a like nature. (Leviticus 6:1-7)
    34. The sin offering must be according to one's means. (Leviticus 5:7-13)
    35. We must confess our sins to Yahweh, repent for them, and be converted to the keeping of Yahweh's Laws. (Numbers 5:6-7)
    36. A man who has an abnormal discharge (zab) must bring a sacrifice. (Leviticus 15:13-15)
    37. A woman who has an abnormal discharge (zabah) must bring a sacrifice. (Leviticus 15:28-30)
    38. A woman must bring a sacrifice after childbirth. (Leviticus 12:6-8)
    39. A leper must bring a sacrifice after he has been cleansed. (Leviticus 14:1-32)
    40. The First Tithe is holy, and belongs to Yahweh. (Leviticus 27:30-33)
    41. The firstborn of clean animals are holy and belong to Yahweh. (Exodus 13:2)
    42. The firstborn sons belong to Yahweh, but may be redeemed. (Exodus 34:19-20)
    43. The firstling of a donkey must be redeemed. (Exodus 34:20)
    44. If the firstling of a donkey is not redeemed, its neck must be broken. (Exodus 13:13)
    45. All tithes and offerings must be brought to the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 12:5-6)
    46. The sanctuary of Yahweh is the only place Yahweh has chosen to receive tithes, sacrifices, and offerings. (Deuteronomy 12:13-14, 26)
    47. The blood of the sacrifices must be poured out on the altar of Yahweh for our atonement. (Deuteronomy 12:27)
    48. Sanctified animals which have become blemished must be redeemed. (Deuteronomy 15:19-22)
    49. Any animal exchanged for an offering is also holy. (Leviticus 27:10, 33)
    50. The priests are to eat the meat of the consecrated offerings. (Exodus 29:33)
    51. The priests are to eat the remainder of the grain offering. (Leviticus 10:12-13)
    52. Consecrated meat of an offering which becomes ritually unclean must be burned. (Leviticus 7:19)
    53. Consecrated meat of an offering not eaten within its appointed time must be burned. (Leviticus 7:17)

    Vows


    1. A Nazirite must let his hair grow during the period of separation. (Numbers 6:5)
    2. A Nazirite must shave his head and bring the sacrifice when the period of separation is over. (Numbers 6:13-18)
    3. Vows and oaths to Yahweh must be kept. (Deuteronomy 23:2123)
    4. The Law of binding and loosing a vow. (Numbers 30:2- 16)

    Ritual Purity


      • Anyone who touches or eats the carcass of an unclean animal becomes ritually unclean. (Leviticus 11)
      • Anyone who touches or eats the carcass of a clean animal that dies of itself, or is torn by wild animals, becomes ritually unclean. (Leviticus 11:29-31)
      • Any article that has come in contact with a ritually unclean object becomes ritually unclean. (Leviticus 11:31-38)
      • Any clothing contaminated with a spreading disease is ritually unclean. (Leviticus 13:47-59)
      • Anyone or anything coming into contact with semen becomes ritually unclean. (Leviticus 15:16-18)
      • A woman with an abnormal discharge (zabah) is ritually unclean. (Leviticus 15:19, 25-28)
      • A human corpse and anyone who comes near it is ritually unclean. (Numbers 19:11-16)
      • Those ritually unclean must purify at the appointed time by laundering their clothes and immersing in water. (Leviticus 15:27)
      • Those ritually unclean of a spreading skin disease must follow the specified purification procedure. (Leviticus 14:2-32)
      • Those unclean of a spreading skin disease must shave off all their hair. (Leviticus 14:9)
      • Those unclean of a spreading skin disease must be easily distinguishable. (Leviticus 13:45)
      • The ashes of the red heifer are to be used in ritual purification. (Numbers 19:2-9)

    Tithes and Offerings to the Sanctuary of Yahweh


    1. The priest must set the value of a person dedicated to Yahweh. (Leviticus 27:2-8, 25)
    2. The priest must set the value of an animal dedicated to Yahweh. (Leviticus 27:9-13, 27)
    3. The priest must set the value of a house dedicated to Yahweh. (Leviticus 27:14-15)
    4. The priest must set the value of a field dedicated to Yahweh. (Leviticus 27:16-24)
    5. If one sins ignorantly regarding the Holy Offerings, full restitution must be made, adding a fifth of the value to it. (Leviticus 22:14-16)
    6. The fruit of the fourth years growth is holy, and must be given to the priest. (Leviticus 19:23-25)
    7. The corners of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor. (Leviticus 19:9)
    8. The gleanings of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor (Leviticus 19:9)
    9. The forgotten sheaves of a field that is reaped must be left for the poor. (Deuteronomy 24:19)
    10. Any remaining olives or grapes must be left for the poor. (Deuteronomy 24:20-21)
    11. Any fallen grapes must be left for the poor. (Leviticus 19:10)
    12. The first fruits of all our labor must be separated and brought to the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Exodus 23:19)
    13. All Holy Offerings must be given to the priests at the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:8-14, 21)
    14. The First Tithe (the first tenth) of all our increase must be given to the Levites for their work in the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:21-26)
    15. The Second Tithe must be set aside for the Feasts of Yahweh. (Deuteronomy 14:23-26)
    16. The priests and Levites must also tithe to the Work of Yahweh. (Numbers 18:24-32)
    17. The Third Tithe must be set aside for the poor in the third and sixth years of the seven year cycle. (Deuteronomy 14:28-29)
    18. Tithes and Offerings must be presented to Yahweh with prayer. (Deuteronomy 26:12-19)
    19. Each household is to bring or send their tithes and offerings before Yahweh to the sanctuary of Yahweh (no Christian collection plate). (Deuteronomy 26:2-4, 10)
    20. The first portion of the grain offering must be given to the priest at the sanctuary of Yahweh. (Numbers 15:18-21)

    The Sabbatical Year


    1. Every seventh year is a Sabbath of Rest for the land and the fields must lie fallow and the ground must not be tilled. (Leviticus 25:2-7, 20-22)
    2. In the seventh year everything that grows is to be eaten by all. (Leviticus 25:2-7,20-22)
    3. You must consecrate and proclaim the Jubilee year. (Leviticus 25:10-12)
    4. On the Day of Atonement in the Jubilee year, the shofar must be sounded and all Hebrew slaves set free. (Leviticus 25:9-10, 13)
    5. In the Jubilee year all the land is to be returned to its appointed owners. (Leviticus 25:23-28)
    6. In a walled city the seller has a right to buy back a house within a year of the sale. (Leviticus 25:29-30)
    7. The years until the Jubilee must be counted. (Leviticus 25:8)
    8. The seventh year is the Year of Release. (Deuteronomy 15:3)
    9. In the seventh year a foreigner may be pressed for payment of a debt. (Deuteronomy 15:3)

    Clean Animals Fit for Consumption and of Offerings

      • The priests must receive their share of all dean animals that are slaughtered. (Deuteronomy 18:3)
      • The priests must receive the first fleece from the shearing of sheep. (Deuteronomy 18:4)
      • Anything devoted to Yahweh becomes Most Holy to Yahweh and becomes the property of the sanctuary of Yahweh and the priests. (Leviticus 27:28)
      • To be fit for consumption, clean animals must be slaughtered. (Do not eat what dies of itself or is killed by wild beasts.) (Deuteronomy 12:21)
      • The blood of slaughtered clean animals must be poured on the ground and covered with earth. (Leviticus 17:10-16)
      • Examine the meat of animals to make sure it is permitted for consumption. (Leviticus 11:2-8)

    The Feasts and Sabbaths


      • The seventh day of every week is Yahweh's Sabbath of rest, and a Holy Convocation. (Exodus 23:12, 16:23)
      • Keep the Sabbath Day holy by making preparation in advance. (Exodus 20:8-11)
      • Remove all leaven from all your property by the fifteenth of Abib. (Exodus 12:15)
      • On the fifteenth day of Abib we must teach our children the story of The Exodus from Egypt. (Exodus 13:8)
      • We must eat unleavened bread from the fifteenth through the twenty-first of Abib. (Exodus 12:18)
      • The first day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. Cooking may be done on a Feast Day Sabbath, but not on the weekly Sabbath. (Exodus 12:16)
      • The seventh day of The Feast of Unleavened Bread (Passover) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Exodus 12:16)
      • We must count fifty days-from the day after the First Holy Day Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (The Count of Omer) to The Feast of Weeks. (Leviticus 23:15-16)
      • The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost) is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:21)
      • The Feast of Trumpets is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:24)
      • The First Day of the Feast of Tabernacles is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:34-35)
      • The Last Great Day is a Sabbath of rest and a Holy Convocation. (Leviticus 23:36)
      • Dwell in booths (succahs-temporary dwellings) during The Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:42)
      • A Succah must be built before The Feast of Tabernacles. (Leviticus 23:40)



    Source:
    https://www.gospeloutreach.net/613laws.html
     
  8. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    Again, you are making assumptions about my life without having any knowledge about my life. It is also against forum rules to make discussions about the other person.
     
  9. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    BTW

    I haven't seen a response to the following yet:

    Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in(in, in) the kingdom of heaven Matt5:19

    You have to read the bible as a cohesive whole.

    P
     
  10. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    With God, all things are possible.
    Jesus said, if you will enter into life, keep the commandments (Matthew 19:17).
    Do you believe the words of Jesus above here?
    My guess is you don't because you have not offered an adequate explanation to what He meant here.
     
  11. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    The Two Leasts:

    Is not God good?
    Should not His people be good because He lives within them?

    Why is everyone seeking justification in doing the wrong thing instead of the right thing with God? The right thing to do within that verse for God tells us that a person will be called the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven if they teach His Commands. Yet, most Christians I talk with appears to argue against this idea here. Yes, we have to love Jesus. Yes, we have to have faith in Jesus and trust Him. We should focus on loving Jesus every day in worship and in talking to Him silently and with other believers. We have to say "I love you Jesus." as we would say to everyone else we love here on this Earth. We have to praise His name in adoration behind closed doors. We have to be thankful every moment to Jesus for His sacrifice. We have to love Jesus with every fiber of our being. For we obviously cannot lose our first love like the church of Ephesus did in Revelation 2 (Revelation 2:4). But I believe the other wrong is for people to not to love Jesus by obeying His commandments. Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments; And Jesus said to the church at Ephesus to repent and do the first works. The first works involving love.

    Anyways, let’s read what Jesus actually says in Matthew 5:19. Jesus says,

    “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven…” (Matthew 5:19).

    Notice here in this verse it does not actually say that this person who breaks the least of these commands (and teaches others to do so) is IN the kingdom of heaven. It merely says that they will be CALLED the least in the kingdom of heaven.

    But what about Matthew 11:11?

    “Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.” (Matthew 11:11).

    Who is the least in Matthew 11:11?

    The "Lesser" or the "Least" in Matthew 11:11 is talking about the "Greatest" in the Kingdom. How so?

    Jesus says,
    “And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.” (Luke 9:46).

    Jesus says,
    “But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.” (Matthew 23:11).

    And it is written,
    33 “And he came to Capernaum: and being in the house he asked them, What was it that ye disputed among yourselves by the way?
    34 But they held their peace: for by the way they had disputed among themselves, who should be the greatest.
    35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man desire to be first, the same shall be last of all, and servant of all.
    36 And he took a child, and set him in the midst of them: and when he had taken him in his arms, he said unto them,
    37 Whosoever shall receive one of such children in my name, receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me, receiveth not me, but him that sent me.” (Mark 9:33-37).

    Here we see in the Scripture verses above that the Least in the Kingdom of Heaven is the greatest within Matthew 11:11. For the Least in Matthew 11:11 is the one who accepts, loves, and ministers to all people including children and they are a servant (i.e. least) to all people in humbleness. Those who behave as though they are lesser or least in the Kingdom are ACTUALLY the greatest in the Kingdom of Heaven. For those who serve in God’s Kingdom in the New Covenant by loving others is better than the greatest of the prophets such as John the Baptist. For John followed the Old Covenant ways. For John was the last of the Old Testament prophets.

    However, the "Least" in Matthew 5:19 are those who break God’s commands and teach others are Least in a bad way.

    How so? The rest of Scripture gives us the testimony that breaking God’s Commandments is bad and not good.

    John says,
    “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him” (1 John 2:4)

    John says,
    “In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:10).

    Jesus says,
    "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me you who practice lawlessness.'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

    In fact, Christ says that He will send His angels and gather out of His Kingdom all who sin and practice lawlessness and cast them into the furnace of fire.

    Jesus says, "The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness, and will cast them into the furnace of fire." (Matthew 13:41-42)

    Jesus tells us that by keeping His commands, it shows whether or not we truly love Him or not.

    For Jesus says,
    “He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me." (John 14:21)

    And Jesus says,
    "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him. He who does not love Me does not keep My words."(John 14:23-24).

    Paul says,
    “If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing.” (1 Timothy 6:3-4).

    Paul says,
    “They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” (Titus 1:16).

    Conclusion: There are Two Leasts.

    Matthew 5:19 and Matthew 11:11 are talking about the word “Least” from two different behavioral perspectives. One being bad because of bad behavior (Matthew 5:19) and the other being good because of good behavior (Matthew 11:11). This is not uncommon for the Word of God to speak of one thing as being mentioned as being both good and bad. There are two trees in the Garden. One good and one bad. There are two lions. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah and the roaring lion who seeks to devour you. There are two vines. The True Vine and the Vine of Sodom. There are also two “Leasts” in Scripture, as well. There are the “Least” who are the Greatest by Being the Least in Behavior and then there are the “Least” who break God’s Commands and teach others to do so.

    I hope that what I had written helps.
    May God bless you in all manner of the Lord’s goodness.
    And please be well.

    Sincerely,

    ~ Jason.
     
  12. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    Do you not invite friends and family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars so you may receive your reward in heaven?
    Would you lend money to anyone who asked you not expecting to get anything back?
    If someone stole something of yours would you give them more besides, with nothing but love in your heart for them?
    Do you truly love all your enemies in your heart? People who may be unkind to you or lie about you?
    If you are persecuted do you leap for joy, always?
    Have you ever fasted and if not told someone you fasted dropped subtle hints you had done so?


    You see Jason, in truth you just reel it all off from your head, but it has absolutely no bearing on the reality of your own life
     
  13. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

    +4,069
    Non-Denom
    Celibate
    Were not, not supposed to teach that one should not teach or obey (submit to, which some telling others to obey, and clean up their sin, or whatever, follow these commands, are not doing, They are not submitting to the true purpose of law and missing it's right application in especially a Christians life)... So that the law they profess is far away from their heart and they are just completely missing the point and are just not "getting it" or the point of it (OT, OC, Law) at all... They don't have their NC lenses on when looking at, or into the old...

    But, we are to teach and use the OC, OT Commandments (or Moral Laws or whatever), we are to teach and use "it" correctly and with the right application in a sinners life (all of us) teaching and telling them the real truth and about it's real and true purpose(s), and application, one of it's main purposes being, to point to Christ...

    God Bless!
     
    Last edited: Sep 9, 2018
  14. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    Oh please JASON. The verse is crystal clear
     
  15. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    o you not invite friends and family home for a meal but rather the poor, lame, blind and beggars so you may receive your reward in heaven?
    Would you lend money to anyone who asked you not expecting to get anything back?
    If someone stole something of yours would you give them more besides, with nothing but love in your heart for them?
    Do you truly love all your enemies in your heart? People who may be unkind to you or lie about you?
    If you are persecuted do you leap for joy, always?
    Have you ever fasted and if not told someone you fasted dropped subtle hints you had done so?
     
  16. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    You can either view Christ's literal commands as having to all be individually fully obeyed, in which case every christian I have ever met is guilty of failing to do so. Or, you can sum Christs commands up as examples of: Love God and love your fellow man. I know which way Paul viewed it:
    Carry each others burdens(love them), and so fulfil the law of Christ Gal6:2
     
  17. Bible Highlighter

    Bible Highlighter Law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul. Supporter

    +6,376
    United States
    Non-Denom
    Married
    Just because you are in the Kingdom does not mean you are going to stay there. For are you not aware of this verse?

    41 "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
    42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
    43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear." (Matthew 13:41-43).

    Verse 41 - Jesus will send his angels to gather out of His Kingdom all who offend (sin) and who do iniquity (intense sin).

    Verse 42 - These angels (Who gathered out of Christ's kingdom those who offend) will cast these types into the furnace of fire where there is crying and gnashing of teeth.

    In other words, those who do evil in Christ's kingdom will not remain there and they will be gathered out of His Kingdom in the end. It's why Jesus says He will separate the sheeps from the goats at the Judgment.
     
  18. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    Lets return to Matthew ch5:

    And anyone who says, “You fool!” will be in danger of the fire of hell. verse 22. The same possible fate as if you look at a woman with lust in your eye. I'm sure you have called people fools in your life. But I am equally sure you did not fear the fires of hell when you did so
     
  19. Archippus

    Archippus Member

    117
    +23
    United Kingdom
    Christian
    Single
    Really? So you can enter the kingdom of heaven and be thrown out at a later date?
     
  20. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

    +4,069
    Non-Denom
    Celibate
    The law/OT/OC should bring us to our knees if were looking at it right... But it cannot save us... It would take, and takes, a "new and better way" to do that...

    God Bless!
     
Loading...