IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

[Archippus]

Notice how you keep making it about me?

Yes, becauase as you cannot practice what you preach you are guilty as the Pharisees were in this regard. And, if you truly loved your neighbour, you would not demand of them what you do not demand of yourself

 

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There truly is two types of Christianity/people who go to church. One type just quote the letter to you, but they cannot live up to what they quote. The other type understand the true message in the letter. The first type like to infer they never, or hardly ever commit sin, the second type do not.
Which type will more love Jesus? The type who know they are forgiven the most.

 

[Archippus]

The Pharisees neglected the love of God(Luke11:42) Why? They thought they could attain heaven by being good enough under the law. In such circumstances they would not rely on the great love, mercy and compassion of God, so they neglected it.

Who needs a saviour from sin if they never, or very rarely commit any sin at all? Consequently Jesus is also neglected by those who believe they are nigh on sinless/fully obey the moral law

 

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The Pharisees neglected the love of God(Luke11:42) Why? They thought they could attain heaven by being good enough under the law. In such circumstances they would not rely on the great love, mercy and compassion of God, so they neglected it.

Who needs a saviour from sin if they never, or very rarely commit any sin at all? Consequently Jesus is also neglected by those who believe they are nigh on sinless/fully obey the moral law

Again, the point of the Pharisee's false religion or practices disproves the sin and still be saved gospel. Jesus had a trouble with the Pharisees because they ignored their sins. For Jesus did not ignore their evil deeds and tell them to just believe on Him as their Savior. Jesus called them hypocrites because they said they kept God's law and yet in reality they did not keep God's laws. In OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) (Which is a belief held by most churches), or the Non-OSAS Sin and Still Be Saved Type Belief (Free Will Baptism), they both say on one hand that it is impossible to keep God's laws and yet on the other hand they also say they are living holy according to God's ways because they are not living an excessively sinful lifestyle. But if you break God's laws even a little and say you are say you keep His laws, that is technically hypocritical.

If things are as you say... then Jesus would never have called them hypocrites, but He would have told them to just simply believe on Him and not place any emphasis on their obedience to God at all by pointing out their hypocrisy in keeping God's Word. For the Pharisees ignore the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy (See again: Luke 11:42, and Matthew 23:23).

 

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There truly is two types of Christianity/people who go to church. One type just quote the letter to you, but they cannot live up to what they quote. The other type understand the true message in the letter. The first type like to infer they never, or hardly ever commit sin, the second type do not.
Which type will more love Jesus? The type who know they are forgiven the most.

Jesus says, If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15).

Jesus says, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).

 

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Again, the point of the Pharisee's false religion or practices disproves the sin and still be saved gospel. Jesus had a trouble with the Pharisees because they ignored their sins. For Jesus did not ignore their evil deeds and tell them to just believe on Him as their Savior. Jesus called them hypocrites because they said they kept God's law and yet in reality they did not keep God's laws. In OSAS (Once Saved Always Saved) (Which is a belief held by most churches), or the Non-OSAS Sin and Still Be Saved Type Belief (Free Will Baptism), they both say on one hand that it is impossible to keep God's laws and yet on the other hand they also say they are living holy according to God's ways because they are not living an excessively sinful lifestyle. But if you break God's laws even a little and say you are say you keep His laws, that is technically hypocritical.

If things are as you say... then Jesus would never have called them hypocrites, but He would have told them to just simply believe on Him and not place any emphasis on their obedience to God at all by pointing out their hypocrisy in keeping God's Word. For the Pharisees ignore the weightier matters of the Law like love, faith, justice, and mercy (See again: Luke 11:42, and Matthew 23:23).

The fact you cannot yourself attain to what you believe is the true Gospel message, but you still insist it of others, means I am afraid you do not understand the true message of scripture

 

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Yes, becauase as you cannot practice what you preach you are guilty as the Pharisees were in this regard. And, if you truly loved your neighbour, you would not demand of them what you do not demand of yourself

That is your accusation, but God will determine this for Himself at the end of my life.

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand." (Romans 14:4).

 

[Archippus]

Jesus says, If ye love me, keep my commandments. (John 14:15).

Jesus says, "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love." (John 15:10).

Carry each others burdens, and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2

 

[Archippus]

That is your accusation, but God will determine this for Himself at the end of my life.

"Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand." (Romans 14:4).

Scripture judges you:
The letter of the Ten Commandments kills. To claim you fully obey the moral law means you are correct or the bible is correct. I know where I stand.

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us 1John1:8

Despite the above being true, you still assail those who admit to imperfections.

 

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The fact you cannot yourself attain to what you believe is the true Gospel message, but you still insist it of others, means I am afraid you do not understand the true message of scripture

If that were so, you would have explained all the verses (or at least a good number of the verses) I have put forth towards you. But you really do not understand what the verses I have put forth to you say. They are a mystery to you because they speak against what you believe.

For example: When I told you the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, you outright denied His words in what He plainly said by righting it all off as metaphor because He used a little bit of slang (like we do these days). Nobody today writes off an entire conversation as metaphor if they use a little bit of slang. That is ridiculous. Besides, you never gave any of us here the meaning as to what Jesus meant by the metaphor. My guess is that you don't even know. Why? Because there is no metaphorical meaning to what Jesus was saying here. Hell is not a metaphor and it is very real.

 

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Carry each others burdens, and so FULFILL the law of Christ Gal6:2

That is an action (work) and not a belief alone in Jesus.

 

[Archippus]

If that were so, you would have explained all the verses (or at least a good number of the verses) I have put forth towards you. But you really do not understand what the verses I have put forth to you say. They are a mystery to you because they speak against what you believe.

For example: When I told you the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, you outright denied His words in what He plainly said by righting it all off as metaphor because He used a little bit of slang (like we do these days). Nobody today writes off an entire conversation as metaphor if they use a little bit of slang. That is ridiculous. Besides, you never gave any of us here the meaning as to what Jesus meant by the metaphor. My guess is that you don't even know. Why? Because there is no metaphorical meaning to what Jesus was saying here. Hell is not a metaphor and it is very real.

Jason, are you getting desperate here? I have responded to many of your biblical quotes. However, on multiple occasions you refused to answer questions repeatedly placed before you.
The only mystery to me is how you can claim to fully obey the letter of the moral law, the letter the bible states is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

 

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Scripture judges you:
The letter of the Ten Commandments kills. To claim you fully obey the moral law means you are correct or the bible is correct. I know where I stand.

If we claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us 1John1:8

Despite the above being true, you still assail those who admit to imperfections.

Again, 1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:10. Certain gnostics were trying to deceive the brethren (1 John 2:26). So John was writing to the brethren in warning against their false belief. The gnostics believed that they have never sinned in the past tense (See 1 John 1:10). Obviously we both believe that we have sinned as a part of our old life, right? So this is a gnostic belief that John is warning the brethren about. 1 John 1:8 is the gnostic's declaration that also says they do not have sin in the present tense. Meaning, they do not believe sin exists for them in any way. Christian Scientists believe sin is an illusion and is not real. OSAS proponents believe sin is real on a physical level, but they do not believe applies to them spiritually in regards to their salvation because Jesus paid for their present and future sins. So in a way, the OSAS proponent denies the existence of sin for their life. They do not believe confessing sin so as to be forgiven of sin applies to them (See 1 John 1:9).

For 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance in knowing the Lord, if we find that we are keeping His commandments. But 1 John 2:4 says that person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them. Many in the OSAS camp say they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commandments. If we are to believe 1 John 2:4 in what it says, things are not going well for them in what they believe.

 

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Jason, are you getting desperate here? I have responded to many of your biblical quotes. However, on multiple occasions you refused to answer questions repeatedly placed before you.
The only mystery to me is how you can claim to fully obey the letter of the moral law, the letter the bible states is the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation

No, you haven't. There are many verses and passages that you left unanswered. We can take them one at a time again, if you like? Or are you afraid that your belief will be exposed for what it is?

 

[Archippus]

Again, 1 John 1:8 is in context to 1 John 1:10. Certain gnostics were trying to deceive the brethren (1 John 2:26). So John was writing to the brethren in warning against their false belief. The gnostics believed that they have never sinned in the past tense (See 1 John 1:10). Obviously we both believe that we have sinned as a part of our old life, right? So this is a gnostic belief that John is warning the brethren about. 1 John 1:8 is the gnostic's declaration that also says they do not have sin in the present tense. Meaning, they do not believe sin exists for them in any way. Christian Scientists believe sin is an illusion and is not real. OSAS proponents believe sin is real on a physical level, but they do not believe applies to them spiritually in regards to their salvation because Jesus paid for their present and future sins. So in a way, the OSAS proponent denies the existence of sin for their life. They do not believe confessing sin so as to be forgiven of sin applies to them (See 1 John 1:9).

For 1 John 2:3 says we can have an assurance in knowing the Lord, if we find that we are keeping His commandments. But 1 John 2:4 says that person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments, they are a liar and the truth is not in them. Many in the OSAS camp say they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commandments. If we are to believe 1 John 2:4 in what it says, things are not going well for them in what they believe.

If we(John includes himself in the we obviously) claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The truth is in no one who recites the letter of certain scriptures and demands obedience to that letter that they cannot attain to in their own life.
How can the truth be in anyone who claims rom3:20 relates solely to law that can be faultlessly obeyed. You prove the truth of 1John1:8 very well

 

[Archippus]

No, you haven't. There are many verses and passages that you left unanswered. We can take them one at a time again, if you like? Or are you afraid that your belief will be exposed for what it is?

I will repeat, many of the scriptures you have quoted have been responded to, you have been shown your error of understanding. However, debate is two way. You simply ignore so much of what is placed before you, and not only by me, then you simply write lengthy posts with much scripture, distorting, or failing to understand its true meaning, in an effort to deflect from responding to what is placed before you. A common tact of deflection on the internet

 

[Archippus]

If that were so, you would have explained all the verses (or at least a good number of the verses) I have put forth towards you. But you really do not understand what the verses I have put forth to you say. They are a mystery to you because they speak against what you believe.

For example: When I told you the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, you outright denied His words in what He plainly said by righting it all off as metaphor because He used a little bit of slang (like we do these days). Nobody today writes off an entire conversation as metaphor if they use a little bit of slang. That is ridiculous. Besides, you never gave any of us here the meaning as to what Jesus meant by the metaphor. My guess is that you don't even know. Why? Because there is no metaphorical meaning to what Jesus was saying here. Hell is not a metaphor and it is very real.

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The letter kills because it is speaking of the Old Law. If you disobeyed the Moral Law in the OT, you could be killed by your own people (God’s people).

Nonsense

You are not looking at the context.
Right after the verse that says that the letter kills, it references the Law of Moses (as a whole) by the fact that it's laws initially came into being with it's laws etched in tablets of stone.

6 "Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
"7 "But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:"
(2 Corinthians 3:7) (KJV).

"The Law of Moses brought only the promise of death, even though it was carved on stones and given in a wonderful way. Still the Law made Moses' face shine so brightly the people of Israel could not look at it, even though it was a fading glory. " (2 Corinthians 3:7) (CEV).

"The old way, with laws etched in stone, led to death, though it began with such glory that the people of Israel could not bear to look at Moses' face. For his face shone with the glory of God, even though the brightness was already fading away." (2 Corinthians 3:7) (NLT).

"Now if the dispensation of death engraved in letters on stone [the ministration of the Law], was inaugurated with such glory and splendor that the Israelites were not able to look steadily at the face of Moses because of its brilliance, [a glory] that was to fade and pass away," (2 Corinthians 3:7) (AMPC).

"Yet that old system of law that led to death began with such glory that people could not bear to look at Moses’ face. For as he gave them God’s law to obey, his face shone out with the very glory of God—though the brightness was already fading away." (2 Corinthians 3:7) (TLB).

 

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I will repeat, many of the scriptures you have quoted have been responded to, you have been shown your error of understanding. However, debate is two way. You simply ignore so much of what is placed before you, and not only by me, then you simply write lengthy posts with much scripture, distorting, or failing to understand its true meaning, in an effort to deflect from responding to what is placed before you. A common tact of deflection on the internet

Not true.

When I posted these verses here in Post #826, your reply in Post #830 did not address any of them.

You also did not give me an explanation on Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, 2 Corinthians 7:1, and Romans 13:14.

 

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If we(John includes himself in the we obviously) claim to be without sin we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The truth is in no one who recites the letter of certain scriptures and demands obedience to that letter that they cannot attain to in their own life.
How can the truth be in anyone who claims rom3:20 relates solely to law that can be faultlessly obeyed. You prove the truth of 1John1:8 very well

You are not explaining how my interpretation is wrong and how your interpretation is correct in this particular case. Give to me a word by word commentary on 1 John 1:8 and 1 John 1:10 and how that relates to 1 John 2:3-4. My guess is that you cannot do that all too well all on your own (with it defending your viewpoint and yet aligning plainly with what 1 John 1, and 1 John 2 says).