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Featured IS IT SIN TO BREAK THE 10 COMMANDMENTS? (Yep!)

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by LoveGodsWord, Aug 31, 2018.

  1. LoveGodsWord

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    Hi All,

    Just hoping to hear your thoughts on if you believe it is still sin to break God's 10 Commandments?

    Let's make it clear from the beginning however, NONE are saved by the works of the law (keeping God's 10 Commandments). We are only saved by grace through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8).

    The purpose of God's LAW is to only give us a KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; Psalms 119:172) to lead us to the foot of the cross so we can see ourselves as sinners in need of a Saviour (Galatians 3:22-25). Our righteousness is be faith in God's WORD not in anything that we can do (Romans 3:25; Philippians 3:9). We need to be Born again to LOVE and LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in that heart of those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORDS of GOD (1 John 3:3-9; Romans 13:8-10; Hebrews 8:10-12)

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    Here is my thoughts. I believe if we disregard any of God's WORD then it is SIN to us because it is written, to him who knows to do good and does not do it to him it is sin (James 4:17). So, if the 10 Commandments are God's WORD. Then I believe it is sin to break them.

    Here are some scriptures I have found in the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT saying that breaking ANY of God's 10 Commandments is SIN.

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    SIN IN THE OLD TESTAMENT BREAKING THE 10 COMMANDMENTS (Summarized)

    God said in Genesis 4:7 to Cain when he was angry because he did not worship God in his appointed way that by doing this it was sin. Jesus say the same in Matthew 15:3-9 that if we follow and teachings of men that break the commandments of God we are not following God. Mankind was destroyed by a flood because of sin (Genesis 6:5-7).

    Sodom and Gomorrah was destroyed because of sin (Genesis 18:20). Jacob knew about sin when he complained to Laben when he left with his daughters (Genesis 31:36).

    When Potiphar’s wife came to Joseph with the aim of committing adultery, Joseph knew it was sin and protested saying how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God? (Genesis 39:9).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). When Moses was delayed on the Mount with God the children of ISRAEL made an Idol and worshipped it breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandment (Exodus 20:3-5). Moses said to them after he returned, you have sinned a great sin: and now I will go up unto the LORD; perhaps I shall make an atonement for your sin (Exodus 32:30; Deuteronomy 9:16-18). Moses said to Aaron that by making an idol for the people to worship that it was a great sin (Exodus 32:21; 30). God would punish the children of Israel for their sin of Idol worship (Exodus 32:34).

    God said to Moses in reference to breaking the 10 Commandments; Whosoever has sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book (Exodus 32:33).

    God said that if Israel was not to make a covenant with the other nations and serve their god's it would be sin (Exodus 23:33). Joshua says stealing is sin (Joshua 7:11). Achan knew when he was caught stealing that he sinned (Joshua 7:20).

    When God's people forsake God to worship other God's, they also confess that they had sinned in breaking God's commandments (Judges 10:10;15). Samuel made atonement for God's people when they wanted to return to God confessing that they had sinned after they worshipped other Gods breaking God's 1st and 2nd commandments (1 Samuel 7:5; 12:10; Exodus 20:2-5).

    King Saul wanted to kill David, but Jonathon spoke good of David saying to him no to sin against David by killing him (1 Samuel 19:4). David cut the skirt of King Saul in the cave and said to him that he could have killed him if he wanted to but did not sin against him by sparing his life (1 Samuel 24:11). King Saul replied that in wanting to kill David he had sinned (1 Samuel 26:21).

    When David became king he desired Bathsheba who was another man’s wife and organized for her husband Uriah the Hitite to be sent to the front line of battle to be killed. God sent Nathan to David and David confessed in doing this that he had sinned in breaking God's 6th and 7th Commandment (Exodus 20:13:14). David confessed that he had sinned to breaking God's LAW (1 Samuel 12:13).

    Now we can also go through all the evil Kings of Israel that sinned against God by following and worshipping other Gods which is also defined as sin in God's WORD but there would be too many scriptures (2 Kings 17:7). God testified that they served other Gods and idols sending them prophets to warn them of their sins (2 Kings 17:12-13; 16-17). We are also told that King Manasseh also broke God's 6th commandment and killed more innocent people then most others testifying that by doing this he had sinned (2 Kings 16:17). God continued to send prophets to warn his people of the consequences of sin (Nehemiah 9:30). God's people continued in their sins forsaking God's LAW (10 commandments) and in doing so God left them and Israel were overthrown and led into captivity to the other nations because they departed from God serving other God's and idols. Nehemiah knew this and prayed to God confessing their sins (Nehemiah 1:6-9). God's people continued to sin against God by worshipping other Gods despite the warning of Jeremiah (Jeremiah 44:18-23). In despite of God's Word teaching that God's people had forsaken the 10 commandments and sinned against God, going into captivity, God promised he would bring them back when they returned to him and heal them from their sins of breaking his commandments (Ezekiel 37:22-23).

    Hosea testified by the Word of the Lord that God's people by making idols and worshipping other god's, lying, stealing, killing, committing adultery would receive the judgments of God because they had sinned by departing from the 10 Commandments (Hosea 4:1-19).

    The word of the Lord came to Zephaniah saying that all those who continue in sin by worshipping other God's and breaking his commandments will be destroyed off the land because they have sinned against God (Zephaniah 1:2-17).

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    Yep pretty clear that in the OLD TESTAMENT if God's people broke any of the 10 Commandments it was SIN.

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    Now it is interesting all the 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT. Is it still sin in the NEW TESTAMENT to break and of God's 10 Commandments?

    NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES

    JAMES 2:8-12
    [8], If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: [9], But if ye have respect to persons, YOU COMMIT SIN, AND ARE CONVINCED OF THE LAW AS TRANSGRESSORS.
    [10], For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
    [11] For he that said, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, said also, DO NOT KILL. Now if thou commit NO ADULTERY, yet if thou KILL, YOU ARE BECOME A TRANSGRESSOR OF GOD'S LAW


    Yep, James is pretty clear if we brake ANY of God's Law (10 commandments) then we are a TRANSGRESSOR of God's LAW and commit SIN. James quotes two of the 10 Commandments saying that if we break them we commit sin v9 that are summed up in the 2nd great commandments of LOVE to God and LOVE to our neighbour in v11. Maybe you missed that one?

    ROMANS 7:7 [7], What shall we say then? is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I HAD NOT KNOWN SIN, BUT BY THE LAW: for I had not known lust, EXCEPT THE LAW HAD SAID YOU SHALL NOT COVET.

    Well here we have Paul in agreement with James and John also telling us that he did not know what sin was without God's 10 Commandments. SIN is breaking God's commandments and Paul uses the 10th commandment as an example of breaking any of God's LAW (10 commandments) = SIN (Exodus 20:17)

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    1 JOHN 3:4 [4] Whosoever commits SIN transgresses also the law: for SIN is the transgression of the law.

    John is saying the same thing as James and Paul and states that if we TRANSGRESS God's LAW then we commit SIN because SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF GOD'S LAW. So it is very clear that SIN is breaking ANY of God's LAW (10 commandments). We will look at the chapter context John uses v15 of MURDER as an example of sin which is God's 6th Command of the 10.


    God's WORD in both the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT says very clearly that if we break ANY of the 10 Commandments it is indeed SIN and we become guilty before God if we are CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPETANT SIN.

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    Ok my friends. What are your thoughts?

    Is it SIN to break any of the 10 COMMANDMENTS that were written and spoken by GOD?

    May God bless you all as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
     
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  2. HTacianas

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    Why should we, or anyone, entertain the idea that breaking a commandment is anything but a sin?
     
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    It is a sin to break any of the Lord's commandments.
     
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    Hi brother HTacianas,

    Nice to meet you here and welcome. Yes these are my thoughts exactly. Some however believe that God's 10 Commandments have been abolished in the NEW TESTAMENT scriptures and as such have no knowledge of what sin is.

    Thanks for your thoughts and sharing them with us.

    May God bless you as you continue in his word :wave:
     
  5. Northbrook

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    Of course it is a sin to break the Ten Commandments. "God is not a man, that He should change His mind"...
     
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  6. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother dreadnought, so nice to see you again. :)

    Absolutely, God's 10 Commandments are his great standard that help us to see who we really are to lead us to Jesus so that we can be forgiven by faith. Thanks brother

    May God bless you as you seek him through his WORD :wave:
     
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    Hi Sister Northbrook, so nice to see you and meet you. Welcome here.
    Absolutley, great point. Some teach that God had one set of laws in the OLD TESTAMENT and God Changes his mind in the NEW Testament. Yet the scripture teach God is the same yesterday, today and forever (Hebrews 13:8). Thanks for sharing your thoughts sister.

    May God bless you as you as you seek him through his Word. :wave:
     
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  9. LoveGodsWord

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    Some scriptures showing God's 10 Commandments in the OLD TESTAMENT confirmed in the NEW TESTAMENT which help define sin.

    10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

    OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS GOD; TABLE 1;

    MATTHEW 22:36-38
    [36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
    [37], Jesus said to him, YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.
    [38], This is the first and great commandment.

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    DEUTERONOMY 6:5 [5], And YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT.

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    1. NO ONE/NOTHING BEFORE GOD

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "I am the LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Exodus 20:2-3)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES
    : Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. " (Matthew 4:10; Luke 4:8)

    "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Matthew 6:24)

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    2. DO NOT COMMIT IDOLATRY

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fouth generation of them that hate Me; And shewing mercy unto thousands who love Me, and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:4-6)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES:
    "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols"(Acts 15:20)

    "Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:29,30)

    " I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1 Corinthians 5:11)

    "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

    Neither be ye idolaters. (1 Corinthians 10:7)

    Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. (1 Corinthians 10:14)

    Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." (1 Corinthians 12:2)

    And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? (2 Corinthians 6:16)

    "Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:19-21)

    "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." (Ephesians 5:5) [This verse and the next both show the connection between covetousness and idolatry - when you covet something, it becomes your idol, and therefore your god (breaking the 1st commandment also)]

    Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry. (Colossians 3:5)

    how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God. (1 Thessalonians 1:9)

    Little children, keep yourselves from idols. (1 John 5:21)

    And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk. (Revelation 9:20)

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:15)

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    3. DO NOT USE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain. (Exodus 20:7)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2)

    I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. (Matthew 12:36)

    This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Matthew 15:8-9)

    And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. (Matthew 23:9)

    that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. (1 Timothy 6:1)

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    4. REMEMBER THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH TO KEEP IT HOLY

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Exodus 20:8-11)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." (Matthew 12:8; Luke 6:5) [So the Sabbath is the TRUE Lord's Day]

    it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days. (Matthew 12:12)

    But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day. (Matthew 24:20)

    they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he (Jesus) entered into the synagogue, and taught. (Mark 1:21)

    And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath. (Mark 2:27-28) [Notice: The Sabbath is NOT just for Jews, or Israelites, or Hebrews, or Semites (descendants of Shem), but FOR ALL MANKIND]

    And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach (Mark 6:2)

    And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day (Luke 4:16)

    (Jesus) taught them on the sabbath days. (Luke 4:31)

    AFTER JESUS' DEATH, HIS DISCIPLES OBSERVED THE SABBATH:

    And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." (Luke 23:55-56) [ This occured after Jesus' death obviously, which is when the false teachers claim the law was done away. They say the law was "nailed to the cross", but His disciples obviously didn't believe that, as we see here, they "rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"]

    when they (the apostles) departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day." (Acts 13:14)

    And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." (Acts 13:42) [Notice: the Gentiles (non-jews) wanted to hear the word of God on the next Sabbath. Paul DID NOT tell them, "Come back tomorrow, the first day of the week, because that's the day us Christians keep." He had them return the following SABBATH]

    And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. (Acts 13:44)

    For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day. (Acts 15:21)

    And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made. (Acts 16:13)

    And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures. (Acts 17:2)

    And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks. (Acts 18:4)

    For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. (Hebrews 4:4) [See Ephesians 5:1 where it states that we are to be imitators of God.]

    There remaineth therefore a SABBATH Rest [See margin: Greek word is "Sabbatismos" which means "Sabbath-keeping"] to the people of God." (Hebrews 4:9)

    For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." (Isaiah 66:22-23) [I realize this is an OT scripture, BUT as you can clearly see here, this is dealing with the NEW heavens and earth (after Christ's return) and it states that ALL shall keep the Sabbath then.

    It seems quite preposterous, that God would give the seventh day Sabbath to mankind at creation (Genesis 2:1-3), re-introduce it to Israel BEFORE Sinai - after they lost sight of it in captivity (Exodus 16:4-23; 27-29), codify it at Sinai (Exodus 20:1-17) having all His people observe it, including Christ, then change it to Sunday, just to change it back to Friday sunset - Saturday sunset.

    THE SABBATH HAS NEVER CHANGED AND IS STILL TO BE OBSERVED!

    [See SHADOW laws of the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT in COL 2 CLICK ME]

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    10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT (Continued)

    OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOR; TABLE 2

    MATTHEW 22:38-40
    [39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
    [40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD AND LOVE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

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    LEVITICUS 19:18 [18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF;: I am the LORD.

    * JESUS says; On these two great commandments of LOVE; Hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

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    5. HONOR PARENTS

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." (Exodus 20:12)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Mt15:3,4/Mk 7:10) "Honour thy father and thy mother (Matthew 19:19; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

    "Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Romans 1:29-32)

    "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise), that it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." (Ephesians 6:1-3)

    "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord." (Colossians 3:20)

    "But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God." (1 Timothy 5:4)

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    6. DO NOT MURDER

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21,22 - see 1 John 2:9) [Jesus says unjustified anger is equal to murder] Do not kill" (Mark 10:19) Thou shalt not kill" (Romans 13:9)

    "For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:11)

    "But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (1 Peter 4:15)

    We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:14,15)

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    7. DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not commit adultery (Exodus 20:14)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Matthew 5:27-28) [Lustful fantasies are equal to adultery]

    I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (Matthew 5:32)

    Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery (Matthew 19:18; Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

    Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery. (Mark 10:11,12)

    "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18 )

    this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act Jesus said unto her, go, and sin no more. (John 8:4-11)

    So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Romans 7:3)

    "Thou shalt not commit adultery (Romans 13:9)

    Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9,10)

    Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1 Corinthians 6:18)

    Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galations 5:19-21)

    For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication" (1 Thesselonians 4:3)

    Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Hebrews 13:4)

    "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

    "And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." (Revelation 2:21,22)

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    8. DO NOT STEAL

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not steal. (Exodus 20:15)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: Thou shalt not steal (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

    Do not steal (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

    thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:10)

    Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth. (Ephesians 4:28)

    But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. (1 Peter 4:15)

    Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts. (Revelation 9:21)

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    9. DO NOT LIE

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. (Exodus 20:16)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Matthew 12:36,37)

    For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man. (Matthew 15:19,20)

    Thou shalt not bear false witness (Matthew 19:18; Romans 13:9)

    Do not bear false witness (Mark 10:19; Luke 18:20)

    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. (John 8:44)

    "But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty (2 Corinthians 4:2)

    Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour. (Ephesians 4:25)

    Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds (Colossians 3:9)

    Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things. (1 Timothy 3:11)

    speak evil of no man
    (Titus 3:2)

    But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8)

    For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Revelation 22:14-15)

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    10. DO NOT COVET/LUST

    OLD TESTAMENT REFERENCE: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour's. (Exodus 20:17)

    NEW TESTAMENT REFERENCES: And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (Luke 12:15)

    What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Romans 7:7)

    Thou shalt not covet (Romans 13:9)

    "But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;" (Ephesians 5:3)

    For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10)

    Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Hebrews 13:5)

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    Yep seems like EVERONE of God's 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT. :)

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    God's 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.
     
  11. Saint Steven

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    So, are you claiming it is a sin not to go to church on Saturday?
     
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    The people in Jesus day seem to be unclear as to what he was teaching about the Sabbath by example.

    John 5:18
    For this reason they tried all the more to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God.

    John 9:16
    Some of the Pharisees said, “This man is not from God, for he does not keep the Sabbath.” But others asked, “How can a sinner perform such signs?” So they were divided.

    John 9:13-15
    They brought to the Pharisees the man who had been blind. 14 Now the day on which Jesus had made the mud and opened the man’s eyes was a Sabbath. 15 Therefore the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. “He put mud on my eyes,” the man replied, “and I washed, and now I see.”
     
  13. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Steve, great question

    Not at all. God's WORD teaches that in times of ignorance we are not held accountable until God gives us a knowledge of the truth and we choose to reject his Word.

    ACTS 17:30-31 [30], And the times of this ignorance God overlooked; but now [When a knowledge of the truth is come] commands all men everywhere to repent: [31], Because he has appointed a day, in which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he has ordained; and of this he has given assurance unto all men, in that he has raised him from the dead.

    JAMES 4:17 [17], Therefore to him that knows to do good, and does it not, to him it is sin.

    God has his people in all churches living up to all the knowledge he has given them. The time is come and now is however that God is calling his people out from following man made teachings and traditions that brake the commandments of God (Revelation 14:6-12).

    JOHN 10:16 [16], And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

    JOHN 4:24[24], God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

    God is calling his people out from following the teachings of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth

    God's sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God) :wave:
     
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    It is contradictory to believe both that Jesus was correct about it being lawful to heal on the Sabbath and that the group of Pharisees were correct in thinking that Jesus broke the Sabbath by healing on it. The reason that the Pharisees had for wanting to kill Jesus was that they though he had broken it, however, there reason was incorrect because it is lawful to heal on the Sabbath.
     
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  15. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello Steve,

    In the days of Jesus the religious teachers of the day had placed so many man made traditions around Sabbath keeping that it had become a burden to the people. It was though in their eyes MANKIND was made for the Sabbath. It was so bad in fact that these religious teachers were constantly looking for ways to accuse Jesus of breaking the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-2; 10; Mark 3:2'; Luke 6:1-2).

    Jesus rebuked these religious teachers by saying that the Sabbath was made for MAN and NOT MAN for the SABBATH (Mark 2:27 and that he was the CREATOR or LORD of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28) and it was LAWFUL to do GOOD on the SABBATH (Matt 12:12)

    Jesus did God's WORK on the Sabbath and so should we everyday but God's WORK is not the work we are commanded NOT to do on God's Sabbath for it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath (Matthew 12:1-12).

    Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him; How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?

    Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? How much then is a man better than a sheep? Therefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.

    GOD'S 4TH COMMANDMENT

    Exodus 20
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    Remember the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
    9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
    10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
    11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

    Doing GOD'S WORK is NOT what the 4th Commandment is talking about please read it.

    God's 4th Commandments says we are NOT to do OUR OWN WORK. Yep NO secular business or paid work, no unnecessary domestic work, no buying and selling, shopping. This can be done on the other days of the week. God has made the SEVENTH DAY a HOLY DAY and we are to REST in HIM by FAITH in the LORD of the SABBATH. This is the 4th Commandment and one of the God's 10.

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    SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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    God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

    Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

    There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

    Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

    In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
     
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  16. Saint Steven

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    So, it's okay for me to break the Sabbath because I don't know any better?
     
  17. Saint Steven

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    Yes, he was obviously antagonizing them. The issue was work on the Sabbath and Jesus admitted to that.

    John 5:17
    In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”
     
  18. LoveGodsWord

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    In the end it comes down to what you know and what you do not know and if you have rejected God's WORD which is the standard in the judgment.

    JOHN 12:47-48 [47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    ROMANS 2:12-13 [12] , For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
    [13], (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

    Which ever way you want to look at it. We all will be held accountable on judgment day for sin.

    Hope this is helpful
     
  19. LoveGodsWord

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    Hello brother Soyeong, nice to see you again and welcome to this thread :).

    I have not spoken to you for some time but enjoy reading a lot of your posts. Good points posted above. Jesus never broke any laws or he could never be our perfect sacrifice and mankind would be lost.

    Thanks for sharing your thoughts brother. Nice to see you again :wave:
     
  20. Saint Steven

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    But who decides if it is a sin? Can I decide something isn't a sin based on my own ignorance? I've never felt any guilt about not observing the Sabbath.
     
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