How to walk in the Spirit.

[fhansen]

Who are you trying to kid?

Yourself?

Listen, if you had any "man's Righteousness", then God would not have bled out and died on THE CROSS so that you could have HIS as the "gift of Righteousness". "The righteousness OF GOD = IN CHRIST".


That's not "mans".


Wake up.

Still not woke yet, as you are I guess. But even woke folk can be blind and I’d rather be asleep than work as hard as you to lead others into your same blindness. But I know you’re at least sincere in it-and not everything you say is false or without merit. You just don’t quite get it yet. But I’m patient FWIW.

If God can make man righteous, as you maintain, then man has righteousness. Man was never created to be a sinner. I’ve never maintained for a minute that the righteousness comes from man-or that he’s justified due to some pre-possessed “righteousness”-precisely the opposite in fact if you’ve bothered to read my posts-without blinders. Because, as you say,

"The righteousness OF GOD = IN CHRIST".

Again, everything, including everything we have including our very existence, comes from God, except for evil-and the first, original evil is spiritual alienation from Him. This is an option for man, due to his moral freedom, but no part of creation can be separated from the Creator in any manner while still maintaining its state of justice, order, innocence, righteousness. This alienation can help finally teach us, however, of our indisputable need for God, of how wrong Adam was. And so as I’ve consistently maintained, fallen man enters a state of righteousness only by communion with God, the establishment of which is the entire reason Jesus came. That relationship, itself, is the heart and source of man’s righteousness, and the righteousness or holiness that results in man as a result of that fellowship is actual and personal, not merely imputed.

Once you understand this, that the virtues of faith, hope, and love are gifts given to man as he first turns to God in the faith already begun in him, gifts that make him just, then you can begin to more clearly see the full gospel picture. And when we know that our wills are ever-involved in cooperating with God’s grace, however weakly at first perhaps, then we can see how we can also turn back away from Him-and willfully forfeit that state of justice- cowardly desiring the praise of men more than God, attracted to and submitting to the world’s will and values over His. Just for the heck of it, consider carefully together these two passages of Paul’s from Rom 8 that directly relate to and complement each other while more fully fleshing out his theology. We don’t need to separate out and believe that any part of Jesus’s teachings or John’s teachings or James’s teachings etc, don’t apply to the born again.

“For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.” Rom 8:3-4

“Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live.” Rom 8:12-13

This helps demonstrate the relationship between grace and the law and our being righteous. In any case I’ll reiterate the fact that God isn’t interested in how we determine to see ourselves, but in who we are, in who we’ve become by His grace. And, again, one understands the gospel to the extent that they understand this concise summary of the New Covenant and God’s purpose with man:
“At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love.”

"I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me." Phil 4:13
Victory is a promise for those who remain in Him, guaranteed to those who persevere, perseverance being an option which is why we're admonished to do it. I know-obligation is a drag. Why would God actually expect anything of me??? The Lord's Prayer is for all of us to pray BTW, because we must continuously ask for His forgiveness and help. We really need Him.

 

[Ligurian]

No, im not mistaken, you are just badly taught.
And i dont blame you for that, but it is now your responsibility, more then ever, to come out of where you were, and into where you are to exist, as a Child of God, if you are born again, and not just water baptized, and thinking that the water washed your sin away.
It didnt.
So, if you were taught that nonsense, then you need to be born again.

But lets say you are....so then, now you need to receive the deeper things of the revelation of the Blood Atonement, that is the "Gift of Salvation".

So, lets start with the basics, and you need to go and study for yourself, and not just argue what someone else taught you to believe, ok?

1.) We are in the "time of the Gentiles". And this will end, and the Grt Trib will start. In this season, or dispensation, the gentiles are offered Eternal life, and the "gift of Righteousness", as the "Gift of Salvation".

This will end, once the Grt Trb starts., as in that dispensation, God's free gift of Salvation, will NOT be offered.


2.) Paul, is your "apostle to the Gentiles", not peter, not jude, not mark, not john, not luke....
> PAUL.
So, to know what you need to understand regarding the NEW COVENANT< and Church Doctrine, you go to PAUL and you stay there.

I have only one teacher, and that is Jesus the Son of God. Because those who keep His commandments are given the Holy Spirit, I am reminded of what Jesus says and taught what Jesus means by the Spirit of God Himself.

Paul says you are taught by teachers. That doesn't apply to me. And if you would stop trying to kill the messenger, rather than letting him go on his way, shaking the dust off his sandals, you would not be still condemning that which you know not.

I've read Paul. I've turned to the Gospel of the Kingdom and become an "other sheep".
"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear My voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd.--Jesus, John10

 

[Ligurian]

Paul said..>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
Paul is your "gentile apostle".

You are to learn the doctrine of Paul, which is what im showing you, in many Threads, and in every post.

Let me spell it out for you: Galatians 2:7-9
Therefore, you follow the gospel of grace for the gentiles.
I follow the Gospel of the Kingdom of God for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
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Peter translated by Mark 1:14-15 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the Kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the Gospel.

Matthew 10:5-7 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into [any] city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand.

Matthew 24:14 And this Gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 25:1 Then shall the Kingdom of Heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[Sidon]

Just because you say so doesn’t make it true. According to you the Church of God failed no sooner than it was established.

I have no idea what you are talking about, again.
Ive never said anything about the Church "failing".
Try to sound coherent in your next post to me, and if possible, dont make things up, and attribute them to me, as this isn't honest.

Thx.

 

[Sidon]

Assertion without demonstrtion is assertion without merit.

That explains why you can't write Threads or even discuss "Grace through faith", with anyone on a Christian Forum, without trying to change it into law and self effort.
Just look at your posts..

 

[Sidon]

Demonstrating the dishonesty in your first post quoted above, in its false claim that
Paul is your "bible doctcrine authority".

Paul is the only doctrinal authority.
He wrote it all down for us.

Start with "justification by faith, without the deeds of the LAW", and then exist as Hebrews 13:9.
If you will do that, then all your lawkeeping and ideas about self saving, will leave you.

 

[Sidon]

Still not woke yet, as you are I guess. But even woke folk can be blind and I’d rather be asleep than work as hard as you to lead others into your same blindness.

If you think that teaching "the gift of salvation" is "blindness" then i suggest that you rethink your theology, asap.

 

[Sidon]

I have only one teacher, and that is Jesus the Son of God.

Jesus is both the Savior and the Light of Revelation.
He exists IN all the born again.
The bible is a spiritual book that is revealed by Christ as our "spiritual discernment".
The words that we are to discern, regarding doctrine and regarding how to perfect discipleship, came through Christ, from Paul.
So, all this works as one situation, one revelation.
To understand Salvation, you have to study and become one with Paul's doctrine.

 

[Sidon]

Let me spell it out for you: Galatians 2:7-9
Therefore, you follow the gospel of grace for the gentiles..

God's Grace is God's Blood.
The Cross is the revelation of God's reconciliation. John 3:16
Salvation is offered by God's mercy, and never is it attained by self effort, that includes lifestyle, law keeping, or commandment keeping.
All who go to the Cross , repenting of unbelief, are washed in the Blood of Jesus, and have God's reconciliation. "Justification by faith".
This is the "Gift of Salvation".
John 14:6

 

[fhansen]

If you think that teaching "the gift of salvation" is "blindness" then i suggest that you rethink your theology, asap.

Just your version of it, not Paul’s, or God’s.

 

[Sidon]

Just your version of it, not Paul’s, or God’s.

Paul's "gospel" and mine, is that Christ died for you sin, was buried, and rose again.
THat's the gospel.
That is John 14:6
That's "the preaching of the Cross".
A person hear's this "gospel", and "faith comes by hearing".
That FAITH, is repenting from unbelief, TO Belief in Christ.
God sees this FAITH, in a person's heart, as ""God knows the thought and intents of the heart".
He accepts this Faith, to then APPLY the BLood of Jesus,, which deals with all sin committed by this person. That is John 3:16
This renders them, "made righteous", and then God causes them to be born again by Spiritual NEW BIRTH. or as Jesus said....."you must be born again"..

That's Paul's doctrine of "justification by faith".
That's what i teach.

 

[fhansen]

Paul's "gospel" and mine, is that Christ died for you sin, was buried, and rose again.
THat's the gospel.
That is John 14:6
That's "the preaching of the Cross".
A person hear's this "gospel", and "faith comes by hearing".
That FAITH, is repenting from unbelief, TO Belief in Christ.
God sees this FAITH, in a person's heart, as ""God knows the thought and intents of the heart".
He accepts this Faith, to then APPLY the BLood of Jesus,, which deals with all sin committed by this person. That is John 3:16
This renders them, "made righteous", and then God causes them to be born again by Spiritual NEW BIRTH. or as Jesus said....."you must be born again"..

That's Paul's doctrine of "justification by faith".
That's what i teach.

Paul’s doctrine of justification is that we’re really made just. And that then we must walk in it. So, again, with understanding of Gods nature and will for man we should all finally agree,
“At the evening of life we shall be judged on our love.”

Love is man’s righteousness, and
“the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.” Phil 3:9

 

[Sidon]

Paul’s doctrine of justification is that we’re really made just.

To be made Just, is to be made righteousness.
This happens by being born again as "the righteousness of God In Christ".

 

[fhansen]

To be made Just, is to be made righteousness.
This happens by being born again as "the righteousness of God In Christ".

Well…yeah.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I have no idea what you are talking about, again.
Ive never said anything about the Church "failing".
Try to sound coherent in your next post to me, and if possible, dont make things up, and attribute them to me, as this isn't honest.

Thx.

No Christian church taught your theology before the 16th century. They all taught conditional salvation.

 

[Clare73]

That explains why you can't write Threads or even discuss "Grace through faith", with anyone on a Christian Forum, without trying to change it into law and self effort.
Just look at your posts..

Thanks for the credit. . .but the Scriptures I presented weren't mine, they were from your "Bible doctrine authority," Paul, whom you clearly demonstrate really is not your "Bible doctrine authority" at all.
Your actions speak so loudly, I can't hear what you say.

Something is amiss (translate: something is rotten in Denmark).

 

[Clare73]

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Demonstrating the dishonesty in your first post quoted above, in its false claim that
Paul is your "bible doctcrine authority".

Paul is the only doctrinal authority.

And yet, you don't make him your doctrinal authority. . .you have no place in your teaching for his doctrine in the following:

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)

". . .called to be holy" (1 Corinthians 1:2)
". . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness." (Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness. (Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

You do realize that your dishonesty on this issue is totally destroying your witness here, right?

 

[Clare73]

Paul is the only doctrinal authority.
He wrote it all down for us.

Start with "justification by faith, without the deeds of the LAW", and then exist as Hebrews 13:9.
If you will do that, then all your lawkeeping and ideas about self saving, will leave you.

Wow!

Looks like you wrote your own Bible. . .my Bible has a whole lot more doctrine in it than just justification by faith.

Something is amiss (translate: Something is rotten in Denmark).

 

[Ligurian]

Jesus is both the Savior and the Light of Revelation.
He exists IN all the born again.
The bible is a spiritual book that is revealed by Christ as our "spiritual discernment".
The words that we are to discern, regarding doctrine and regarding how to perfect discipleship, came through Christ, from Paul.
So, all this works as one situation, one revelation.
To understand Salvation, you have to study and become one with Paul's doctrine.

The purpose of being born again is told to us by Jesus in John 3:3. Seems like you dismissed this verse when I pointed it out to you the last time, so either you dislike the Kingdom Gospel or you don't know what the Kingdom Gospel includes. Either way, taking from the lost sheep of the house of Israel won't turn out well for someone who claims to follow the apostle to the gentiles.

Speaking of that apostle, you also seem to have discarded Galatians 2:7-9... which seems to be the main way that the gentiles dismiss the Kingdom Gospel these days. "My sheep" isn't a verse you will find in the gospel to the gentiles. Nor you will ever find the word "My commandments" there, unless commandment is being used as a curse by the people who can't keep even the lighter yoke of Jesus.

From the Kingdom Gospel standpoint, I certainly do know the works of salvation, having read it in the Gospels of the Galilean Apostles and in the Revelation.

 

[Clare73]

Jesus is both the Savior and the Light of Revelation.
He exists IN all the born again.
The bible is a spiritual book that is revealed by Christ as our "spiritual discernment".

Our "discernment?"

This may be where you went off course.

The Bible is the word of God written under whose authority all believers are to live.
It's meaning is simply the words that are written. . .no magic needed.