How to walk in the Spirit.

[BNR32FAN]

I got my money's worth, no worries.
Listen,
This subject is so much deeper than you are seeing, or then you know.
You've read a translator's greek, but ive studied where the manuscripts started and why they exist.

Go and find out who Origen is...
Start there, if you want to find out the basics, and from there, study hard.

For example, what is a bible.
Who decided what letters/epistles are left out.

Why did Peter say in 2nd Peter that Paul's letters are equal to the TORAH?

Why do some translators uses the Latin and not the greek.

on and on and on.

So, nothing about this is definitive.....
The Catholic bible, is not taken from the Greek., for example.

Manuscript evidence is not just..>"greek".
See, When you have a Greek text, such as the Textus Receptus that was used to create the KJV< and others, that is just 1 of 30.
So, why are 28 Greek Texts, that are all the NT, not used, not accepted..
See the bible was not just "greek", the NT is not just GREEK.
you have hebrew, you have aramaic.
You have "who really wrote it".....that is a whole universe of deeper textual understanding.
You dont have this knowledge, so dont sit there and pretend to teach me about it, BNR32fan.
Bad idea.

So, you are not a student of manuscript evidence.
You see a $150 study bible that compares the KJV< with the ASV, with the NIV, with the NASV, and there is some translators greek sitting there, and you think you have a JACK POT.
In fact, the jackpot is that $150 you paid this company to create something for someone who thinks the way you think, because you do not know what you should know.
I can help you, but, if you can't rise above the level of carnal insults then i'll let you play by yourself.

Now, i really can't make you understand what you dont know yet, about the "original greek"., and so, if you want to stay on this dead horse, then you kick it alone.
Or you can ask me some specific questions about manuscript evidence.
That's fine.

Why should I “start” with reading heretical writings that were condemned by the second ecumenical council? Doesn’t seem like a very smart place to start. Why not start with Polycarp or Iranaeus?

 

[Sidon]

Why should I “start” with reading heretical writings that were condemned by the second ecumenical council? Doesn’t seem like a very smart place to start. Why not start with Polycarp or Iranaeus?

Well, you showed us who is your leader.
They are not mine.

Im not a person who is involved with those writings you accept.
My authority is not found in a person on earth.
My Spiritual Authority is The Holy Spirit, and my written authority is the NT, and my bible doctrine authority , is Paul.

 

[Ligurian]

The "Gospel" is that "Jesus was crucified, died, and rose again on the 3rd Day".
The "Gospel"< is the "preaching of the Cross".
To believe the Gospel, is to..>"call on the name of Jesus and you shall be saved".
"all that Believe in Jesus, He gives unto them Eternal Life, and they shall never Perish".

Note The CROSS of CHRIST.
There is your "Gospel" in the "time of the Gentiles".

You are mistaken about "the times of the gentiles".
Obviously these two verses match, and are all about future events.

Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty [and] two months.

And you're wrong about there being only one gospel.

Galatians 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as [the gospel] of the circumcision [was] unto Peter
____________
I've only just realized that Matthew 10:5-7 says the same exact thing
as Galatians 2:7-9, but from the perspectives of the two different gospels.

 

[Clare73]

How do the 12 Pauline texts in my post quoted in post #898 above explicitly fit into your teaching?

Your first 12 and the next 56 verses you will misuse and post to try to prove that you are working to try to be holy, proves that you do not understand that when you are "made righteous", this is not the same thing....

See, you are confusing Salvation, that God provides, with discipleship that you provide God.

They are not the same thing, Clare73.

Salvation is all of God and none of you.
Discipleship is all of you with God's help.

Non-responsive. . .for the umpteenth time.

You do not teach Pauline theology as you falsely claim to do.

 

[Ligurian]

Paul wrote most of the NT< and gave you all the Church Doctrine.
If you feel you should cut him out of the mix, then help yourself with that one.

Paul wrote to the gentiles the gospel for the gentiles, and he obviously speaks to you.
But not every church member follows Pauline doctrine, nor should they, according to Galatians 2:7-9.
The 11 Galatian Disciples of Jesus had the finding of Jesus' sheep via the Kingdom Gospel.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Well, you showed us who is your leader.
They are not mine.

Im not a person who is involved with those writings you accept.
My authority is not found in a person on earth.
My Spiritual Authority is The Holy Spirit, and my written authority is the NT, and my bible doctrine authority , is Paul.

No, your authority comes right out of thin air with no evidence of the church to support it. So let me ask you this, what makes you think that you are somehow superiorly led by the Holy Spirit to understand the scriptures better than the men who were taught by the apostles, or better yet better than any Christian writer for the first 1500 years of Christianity? Are you a prophet who has been blessed with information that no one in the church was able to possess for the first 1500 years of Christianity even despite their devotion to serving God to the point of enduring persecution and even martyrdom? Hmmm… I would’ve thought someone with such a divine revelation would’ve understood something as elementary as what language the New Testament was written in. So the whole time you were in seminary school they never mentioned that? And they never taught the early church writings or any of the Greek and Hebrew languages? They never explain what a concordance was or a lexicon? This is extremely perplexing that any school would call itself a seminary school without teaching any of these subjects. It’s truly mind boggling.

 

[Clare73]

Well, you showed us who is your leader.
They are not mine.

Im not a person who is involved with those writings you accept.
My authority is not found in a person on earth.
My Spiritual Authority is The Holy Spirit, and my written authority is the NT, and
my bible doctrine authority , is Paul.

Actually, that is untrue.

You don't accept the following from Paul and will not explicitly state where they fit into your "Teaching."

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)

". . .called to be holy" (1 Corinthians 1:2)

. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness. (Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

 

[Sidon]

You are mistaken about "the times of the gentiles".
O

No, im not mistaken, you are just badly taught.
And i dont blame you for that, but it is now your responsibility, more then ever, to come out of where you were, and into where you are to exist, as a Child of God, if you are born again, and not just water baptized, and thinking that the water washed your sin away.
It didnt.
So, if you were taught that nonsense, then you need to be born again.

But lets say you are....so then, now you need to receive the deeper things of the revelation of the Blood Atonement, that is the "Gift of Salvation".

So, lets start with the basics, and you need to go and study for yourself, and not just argue what someone else taught you to believe, ok?

1.) We are in the "time of the Gentiles". And this will end, and the Grt Trib will start. In this season, or dispensation, the gentiles are offered Eternal life, and the "gift of Righteousness", as the "Gift of Salvation".

This will end, once the Grt Trb starts., as in that dispensation, God's free gift of Salvation, will NOT be offered.


2.) Paul, is your "apostle to the Gentiles", not peter, not jude, not mark, not john, not luke....
> PAUL.
So, to know what you need to understand regarding the NEW COVENANT< and Church Doctrine, you go to PAUL and you stay there.

 

[Sidon]

You do not teach Pauline theology as you falsely claim to do.

Stop being dishonest.
Really, just grow up.

 

[Sidon]

But not every church member follows Pauline doctrine, nor should they,

Paul said..>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
Paul is your "gentile apostle".

You are to learn the doctrine of Paul, which is what im showing you, in many Threads, and in every post.

 

[Sidon]

So let me ask you this, what makes you think that you are somehow superiorly led by the Holy Spirit to understand the scriptures.

You're revealing your own inner self here.. regarding what you posted to me.
Im not anyone's "superior". Im just doing what im supposed to do.
I do it all over the world.
And the reason you feel what you are describing, bnr32fan..., is because you are not spiritually in alignment with the Gospel of the Grace of God as defined by Paul as "justification by faith".
Believe me, im not causing you to feel what you are feeling.
And if you want to stop feeling it, then let go of trying to save yourself, and turn to Christ alone, for HIS Salvation.
You do that, and these feelings you have, will leave you.
But not until.

 

[Sidon]

Actually, that is untrue.

You don't accept the following from Paul and will not explicitly state where they fit into your "Teaching."

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written:

All true Holiness comes from God's Blood Atonement, only.
Your self righteousness that you are trying to achieve, is not of God.
If you read carefully, Philippians 3, you'll discover that what you are describing as your own self effort to be holy by works, ...Paul defines as "dung".

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Paul said..>"be a follower of ME, as i follow Christ".
Paul is your "gentile apostle".

You are to learn the doctrine of Paul, which is what im showing you, in many Threads, and in every post.

Why follow Paul when you can follow Christ directly. We do not need a man to be a mediator, we each can go directly to Jesus and follow Him. This is what the bible teaches. I can pray, and read the Bible and follow God's written Word and in return Jesus provides the Holy Spirit the Spirit of Truth and only Jesus can save us. Not Paul or any other man on this earth. This should be comforting to people, we each can have a direct relationship with Jesus and obeying His Word is how Jesus knows us. 1 John 2:3

 

[Sidon]

Why follow Paul when you can follow Christ directly.

Because Paul is your example of HOW to follow Christ.
He's the pattern.
Its Paul who was given all the doctrine of the Church, directly from Jesus.
Its Paul who taught the other Apostles, the "Grace of God, as Justification by Faith".

Listen to me,..
God is Light, and revelation is how God teaches.
You find this from Paul's letters.
So, when Paul tells you that the Gospel of the Grace of God is "MY Gospel", he isn't kidding.
He gave it to us ALL.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Because Paul is your example of HOW to follow Christ.
He's the pattern.
Its Paul who was given all the doctrine of the Church, directly from Jesus.
Its Paul who taught the other Apostles, the "Grace of God, as Justification by Faith".

Listen to me,..
God is Light, and revelation is how God teaches.
You find this from Paul's letters.
So, when Paul tells you that the Gospel of the Grace of God is "MY Gospel", he isn't kidding.
He gave it to us ALL.

Christ is our example on how to follow Christ.

Jesus had 12 apostles not one. There are many prophets in the Bible. There were many Kings in the Bible that followed God. The bible is full of examples for us, its not based on one person.

What it appears you are doing is making Paul your god, which goes against every principle of the bible and one of God's Commandments.

 

[Sidon]

There are lots of examples in the Bible. Jesus had 12 apostles not one. .

God chose the 12 when Christ was on Earth.
Jesus chose Paul when Christ was back in Glory.

There is a reason for this, and im showing you the reason for 3 weeks.
The reason is not going to change, simply because you want to live under the curse of the law.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You're revealing your own inner self here.. regarding what you posted to me.
Im not anyone's "superior". Im just doing what im supposed to do.
I do it all over the world.
And the reason you feel what you are describing, bnr32fan..., is because you are not spiritually in alignment with the Gospel of the Grace of God as defined by Paul as "justification by faith".
Believe me, im not causing you to feel what you are feeling.
And if you want to stop feeling it, then let go of trying to save yourself, and turn to Christ alone, for HIS Salvation.
You do that, and these feelings you have, will leave you.
But not until.

Just because you say so doesn’t make it true. According to you the Church of God failed no sooner than it was established. According to you as soon as the apostles were dead so was Christ’s church and it remained that way for 1500 years until Martin Luther and John Calvin came along. According to you all those tens of thousands of Christians who endured persecution and martyrdom spread out over several thousands of miles apart all conspired together to begin preaching a false gospel and even gave their lives for the sake of preaching that false gospel. So according to you Matthew 16:18 is a false statement and evil prevailed over the church as soon as the apostles died. According to you even the very people who were taught by them apostatized. According to you once the apostles were dead no one was able to be saved. The Holy Spirit was on vacation for 1500 years. Nothing you say makes any sense at all when you actually think about it.

 

[Clare73]

Stop being dishonest.
Really, just grow up.

Assertion without demonstrtion is assertion without merit.

 

[fhansen]

My Spiritual Authority is The Holy Spirit, and my written authority is the NT, and my bible doctrine authority , is Paul.

Another one.

 

[Clare73]

My Spiritual Authority is The Holy Spirit, and my written authority is the NT, and
my bible doctrine authority , is Paul.

Actually, that is untrue.

You don't accept the following 12 instructions from Paul and will not explicitly state where they fit into your "Teaching."
". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)
". . .called to be holy" (1 Corinthians 1:2)

. . .slaves to sin which leads to death. . .slaves to obedience which leads to righteousness."
(Romans 6:16)

"Just as you used to offer parts of your body in slavery to impurity, so now
offer your body in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness." (Romans 6:19)

Now that you have. . .become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness. (Romans 6:22)

". . .let us purify ourselves from everthing that contaminates body and spirit,
perfecting (completing) holiness out of reverence for God. (2 Corinthians 7:1)

"Live as children of light (for the fruit of the light consists in all goodness, righteousness and truth)"
(Ephesians 5:9)

". . .pursue righteousness, godliness, faith, love, endurance and gentleness." (1 Timothy 6:11)

". . .pursue righteusness, faith, love and peace. . ." (2 Timothy 2:22)

". . .all Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for. . .training in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16)

"God disciplines us for our good that we may share in his holiness. . . discipline produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it." (Hebrews 12:10-11)

"die to sin and live for righteousness" (1 Peter 2:24)

"everyone who does what is right has been born of him." (1 John 2:29)

"he who does what is right is righteous. . .he does what is sinful is of the devil," (1 John 3:7)

"Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means!" (Romans 6:1)

"Do not let sin reign in your mortal body so that you obey its evil desire." (Romans 6:12)

"Do not offer the parts of your body to sin. . .Offer them to God as instruments of righteousness." (Romans 6:13)

"Without holiness, no one will see the Lord." (Hebrews 12:14)

All true Holiness comes from God's Blood Atonement, only.
Your self righteousness that you are trying to achieve, is not of God.
If you read carefully, Philippians 3, you'll discover that what you are describing as your own self effort to be holy by works, ...Paul defines as "dung".

Demonstrating the dishonesty in your first post quoted above, in its false claim that
Paul is your "bible doctcrine authority".