How to walk in the Spirit.

[fhansen]

Yep, and that compassion plus $l.50 will get you a cup o' coffee.

Hmm, ok. The bible isn't meant to serve as a catechism, systematically and exhaustively laying down the precepts of the faith. And Paul was focusing on and battling legalism-so there's much emphasis there in his writings.

So...faith alone plus 6 bits will get you even less-exactly nothing in fact. Love, ultimately, is the gift Jesus came to show and give the world, regardless of how often mentioned in Scripture.
"But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy [often love/ compassion], not sacrifice.'"

'Cause lots of unbelievers hearts burn with compassion for a person in need, but it don't save 'em.

Again, love encompasses faith and hope while not the other way around. Love is the criteria for man's righteousness, and therefore his judgment.

 

[Clare73]

So...faith alone plus 6 bits will get you even less--exactly nothing in fact.

How "unfortunate" is your denail of Paul in Ephesians 2:8-9 that salvation is through faith. . .without works, so that no one can boast," the Paul who received his revelation from Jesus Christ personally.

Explains a lot. . .

 

[fhansen]

Explains a lot. . .

LOL. It's not denial; myself and Paul agree. Its called understanding-the whole picture. You're focused on a pixel or two.

 

[Clare73]

LOL. It's not denial; myself and Paul agree. Its called understanding-the whole picture. You're focused on a pixel or two.

The whole picture never contradicts any of its parts (as you contradict Ephesians 2:8-9, absolutely unbelieveble!). . .all them pixels is in perfect harmony.

 

[fhansen]

absolutely unbelieveble!

Yes, you have a funny streak anyway-I'll say that for you.

Together with all of Paul's Pixels we must agree then that, in order to be declared righteous and gain eternal life, we must do good, obey the law, refrain from sin and put to death the deeds of the flesh. And to do all this without being under the law, on our own, trying to work our way into heaven, but by being under grace, now together with God, by the Spirit, through love because God wants to make us something rather than just declare us to be something and without love we are nothing.

 

[Clare73]

Yes, you have a funny streak anyway-I'll say that for you.

Together with all of Paul's Pixels
we must agree then that, in order to be declared righteous and gain eternal life, we must do good, obey the law, refrain from sin and put to death the deeds of the flesh.

Those are the nature of true faith which obeys.

But it is the faith, not its obedience, which saves and justifies. (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5)

So that without its works, the faith is not true faith, but counterfeit faith, which neither saves nor justifies.
No need to argue against either of those Scriptures.

I didn't hear my favorite word--thang.

 

[fhansen]

But it is the faith, not its obedience, which saves and justifies. (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5)

Those are the nature of true faith which obeys.

But it is the faith, not its obedience, which saves and justifies. (Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 4:5)

No, the sheer act of believing is meaningless and incomplete on its own- even though its quite a good thang.

 

[Clare73]

No, the sheer act of believing is meaningless and incomplete on its own- even though its quite a good thang.

Good job!

Biblical faith is not just an act of intellectual assent--that's fides.

Biblical faith is trusting in/counting on--that's fiduces (as in a fiduciary trust).

So are you lay, religious or cleric?

 

[Sidon]

No Christian church taught your theology before the 16th century. They all taught conditional salvation.

Paul didnt.
So, as i just told another member... = BEFORE you had a Pope, a Calvin, a Arminian, a " cult of Mary" or a "church father", you had Paul.

I teach Paul.
"Pauline Theology".

Just go to the source, and bypass all the other "stuff", and all turns out well in the end.

 

[Sidon]

.but the Scriptures I presented weren't mine, they were from your "Bible doctrine authority,".

Presenting scriptures, proves you can cut and paste.

Thats about it.
So, when you begin to explain them correctly, then that'll be a new day for you, and that will allow us to agree.

 

[Sidon]

And yet, you don't make him your doctrinal authority. . .you have no place in your teaching for his doctrine in the following:

". . .be holy in all you do; for it is written: 'Be holy, because I am holy--Lev 11:44-45.' "
(1 Peter 1:15-16)
You do realize that your dishonesty on this issue is totally destroying your witness here, right?

You like to hear yourself talk.

So, here is the thing.
You post self effort verses, because you are legalist.
So, i have no issue with your verses, while i have no use for your legalism.

The Grace of God, is the blood of Jesus, and all righteousness that the born again possess, is based on the "Gift of Righteousness".
This does not allow for our works to be counted in that as you keep trying to teach as your devout legalsim.

Dont worry about my "credibility", as my Posts and Threads, agree with Paul's Doctrine.
Worry instead about teaching against the Grace of God, in Public.
That's what you are doing, and you should concern yourself with that reality, asap.

 

[Sidon]

Looks like you wrote your own Bible. . .my Bible has a whole lot more doctrine in it than just justification by faith.

God accepts faith to save a person.
He accepts nothing else. John 14:6
This is why "faith is counted as righteousness, and Abraham is the Father of our Faith.....= Not our works, as works are not accepted by God to impart the New Birth.

 

[Sidon]

The purpose of being born again is told to us by Jesus in John 3:3. Seems like you dismissed this verse when I pointed it out to you the last time, so either you dislike the Kingdom Gospel.

How can i "dismiss" the KOG when Im in it, and It's in me?

If you read my Threads and Posts, they are all teaching you how to exist within the KOG, as the "renewed mind".

 

[Sidon]

Our "discernment?"

This may be where you went off course.

The Bible is the word of God written under whose authority all believers are to live.
It's meaning is simply the words that are written. . .no magic needed.

If you own a NT< then read this verse.

"The word of God is spiritually discerned". 1 Corinthians 2:14
And, if your greek has been translated as "judged" instead of "discerned" then throw it away, along with any bible that says "Judged", instead of the correct "discerned".

You are not familiar with Paul, or with this verse, nor are you able to do what this verse says for you to do.
How could you, as you think this is "magic".
So that's kinda pathetic.
You run around here pretending to be teacher of the NT, when if fact you dont even know the very verse in the NT that explains what it means to be one.

Come now with more of your theological comedy, and pretend ive "lost my credibility".

 

[Clare73]

Presenting scriptures, proves you can cut and paste.

Don't cut and paste from anything other than my own posts.

That's about it.

Most of us regard the Scriptures I presented as authoritative.

So, when you begin to explain them correctly, then that'll be a new day for you, and that will allow us to agree.

Their simple presentation is my explanation, which you have yet to address, because they have no place in your falsely alleged "Pauline" teaching.

So what is your explanation? . . .feel free to enlighten us. . .and until you do, they stand as written, your objection to them not-with-standing.

 

[Sidon]

Looks like you did write your own Bible. . .

God's grace is God's favor.
Words have meaning. The Bible uses the word "grace" because of it's meaning--"favor".

The cross is God's reconciliation (Ephesians 2:16).
That's not the same thing.
.

You are lost in micro-semantics.
Thats a rabbit hole, and you are in there way too deep.

Just keep is simple, and you wont sound so confused.
Just remember that the mercy of God, is the Cross.
Grace is found there, as the mercy of God.
The "preaching of the Cross", is the "Message of Reconciliation", and this message, is based on the Blood of God, being shed for the world. John 3:16
When we are "one with God", we exist in the favor of God, as how could we not.

 

[Sidon]

The unregenerate man does not have ears that can hear, eyes that can even see, nor a heart that can believe without the Holy Spirit through rebirth (John 3:5).
So rebirth must come first.

You are so confused.
Here you are talking about how to "receive the things of God", yet just 2 posts before, you told me that discernment is "magic".

Next you'll be teaching what i just showed you, claiming its your theology.

I meet quite a few like you, on forums.

 

[Sidon]

Paul says it happen by faith: We are justified by faith apart from works (Romans 3:21, Romans 3:28, Romans 4:5)

God accepts anyone's sincere FAITH in Jesus, to give them the Blood Atonement, followed by the new birth.
This is how a person becomes "a new Creation".

 

[Clare73]

You post self effort verses, because you are legalist.

If they are prejorative "self effort," then you are saying the word of God contrdicts itself in them.
Not a good look on you.

So why won't you explain for our edification the "correct" meaning of the Pauline teaching, who is your falsely-alleged "doctrine authority," in those verses I've posted.

We eagerly await to be separated from our misunderstanding of them by you; that is, while you remain true to their words.

 

[Sidon]

Two different gospels for two different people...
Am I making any sense to you, or am I expecting you to know the background material to these thoughts of mine?

IN the time of the Gentiles, there is one Gospel.
Its this. John 14:6

Paul, the apostle to the gentiles (in the time of the Gentiles), has one sermon.
Its this.
"Christ sent me not to water baptize, but to PREACH THE CROSS".

See that message. ????????

Thats the only one there is, the only "gospel", in the time of the Gentiles.
That is the offer of "reconciliation" that God's provided as the Cross of Christ.

Does this change, in the Great Trib?
Yes.
IN the GT, you then go to verses like this one....>"he that endures to the END, shall be saved", as in the GT, you have to believe and you have to WORK THAT LAW and those COMMANDMENTS.
Its no longer the "gift of Salvation", once the Rapture occurs.