How to walk in the Spirit.

[Sidon]

If you want pick at nits, you'd have to own a 2000 year-old Greek Dictionary and have the original texts. We both kinda know that ain't happenin', right? You make the line wherever you feel comfortable and I will continue to soldier on.

Listen, im all for free will, and freedom.
We find our Freedom "in Christ" and we find our "rightly dividing" the word, not by reading what a greek translator tells you to think.
If you feel that your religion is best served by reading what a greek translator wrote, then by all means, use your free will and soldier on with that idea.

 

[Sidon]

Wouldn't think you'd be in favor of it, since it cuts Paul out of the mix.

Paul wrote most of the NT< and gave you all the Church Doctrine.
If you feel you should cut him out of the mix, then help yourself with that one.

 

[Sidon]

You really need to look at the concordances and lexicons. There are several out there that were translated by several different scholars that all agree with each other on the definitions of the Greek words. They are dictionaries of the Greek language that give the English definition.

You are talking about "someone's idea of what the words mean".
And the farther you get into that, is the farther you are getting away from what you need.
1. Spiritual Discernment
2. Good Teacher that isn't related to GREEK.

Do you see what i do here?
And compared to what i do in life, or on other Forums, what i've done here is barely getting started.
I use a NT and a Messianic "Golden Verses for your Life".
That's it.
I dont use commentaries.
I use a NT, and a Messianic "Golden Verses for your Life". And this is nothing but Bible verses.


When i was in seminary training, i had access to everything that you think is the LIGHT.
Its not.
God is the Light.
Jesus in you is the LIGHT.
See, you dont need more scholarship, you need more REVELATiON.
Thats why i write Threads here.
They are not just a pile of verses, cobbled together.......notice that yet?
I actually open the revelation, so that you can read it.
God gives the revelation to your spiritual eyes, if you will just allow it.

 

[Sidon]

Well, no-again. It's both, because faith, hope, and love are all gifts-and human choices, and they pretty well define man's righteousness

Who are you trying to kid?
Yourself?
Listen, if you had any "man's Righteousness", then God would not have bled out and died on THE CROSS so that you could have HIS as the "gift of Righteousness". "The righteousness OF GOD = IN CHRIST".

That's not "mans".

Wake up.

 

[Hmm]

See, you are in an argument, as that is why you are on the forum. You just want to argue., and im not here for that., not at all.

Wow, you can mind read as well - amazing and astounding! I'm in awe, absolutely!

 

[Hmm]

You have a habit of not just saying....."Ok i see that"

Do you mean I have a habit of saying or not saying? Not sure how I can have a habit of 'not saying'. What does that mean? Eager to learn...

 

[Sidon]

Wow, you can mind read as well - amazing and astounding! I'm in awe, absolutely!

ON a forum, "you shall know them by their Posts and Threads".

So, there is your answer.

 

[Sidon]

Do you mean I have a habit of saying or not saying? Not sure how I can have a habit of 'not saying'. What does that mean? Eager to learn...

According to your arguments, your habit is to argue.
Just like you are doing now., and in the next post.
See, its why you are on the forum.
If you were "eager to learn" then you would be talking to me about mental strongholds, falling from grace, and the renewed mind.
But you are not talking to me about it.
You are just arguing, for the sake of arguing.

 

[Hmm]

ON a forum, "you shall know them by their Posts and Threads".

So, there is your answer.

Verse (and Chapter and Bible and planet) please?

 

[Hmm]

According to your arguments, your habit is to argue.
Just like you are doing now., and in the next post.
See, its why you are on the forum.

So disagreeing with you is being argumentative? Very worrying (if I know you IRL)

 

[Sidon]

Verse (and Chapter and Bible and planet) please?

Remember that you are instructed to "know them by their fruit".

Well, your posts are your Fruit.
That is how i know you.
That is how all members and mods here, know you.

 

[Hmm]

That is how all members and mods here, know you.

Relax my friend.

 

[Sidon]

So disagreeing with you is being argumentative? Very worrying (if I know you IRL)

You are free to disagree.
This does not include false innuendo or deceitful insinuation.

Its like this, Hmm.

My Posts are just like my Threads.
They do one thing only..
They offer a believer who is sinning and confessing, the way out.
How do they do that?
By showing them why they are sinning and confessing.

Now, take a deceived believer who reads....>"the born again can't sin"....and then reads..>"God does not charge the born again with their sin".
So, why would this person argue that you are to confess sin, when you have been show by John and Paul that you dont sin and that God not charge you with them?

Its because this deceived person, has been TAUGHT to THINK only one way, according to one verse.
And that verse, and they way they have been taught, is become their mental stronghold.
And until that is broken by revelation, they will continue to sin and confess.

 

[Sidon]

Relax my friend.

Take you're own advice, as you need it.


Shalom

 

[BNR32FAN]

"Koine Greek".
Paul wrote in this language, and later the "greek manuscripts", which are copies of copies, of the Original letters, are what we have, other the things like the Vulgate.

So my point is..
Do you speak Greek?
Does the world speak Koine Greek?
So, why does God put English bibles, english language, as the common bible, in these end times?
Why is that?
Is God stupid? Do we need to remind Him that we need our bibles in Koine Greek?
Is tha what you are trying to prove?
Listen..
Its because God knew 2000 yrs ago that ENGLISH would be the language that all people's of the world would want to learn.
Its like the GOLD STANDARD.....Everyone wants to speak in English, just like everyone wants to live in the USA.
God knew this, "according to FOREKNOWLEDGE"< and that is why your ENGLISH version, is what you want to use.............However, if you speak Koine Greek fluently, and read it fluently, then use it.
NP.

Seriously your going to pretend now that you knew the New Testament was written in Greek all along after you just said that the reason you know they weren’t written in Greek is because the apostles and Jesus were Hebrew not Greek.

The original version is the LETTERS the Apostles wrote.
The GREEK isn't the original ,its the translation of the Original letters, into the Greek.

And you know this, how?

Because Paul wasn't a Greek.
All the Apostles, were Hebrews.
Jesus also wasn't a Greek.

Show some dignity and just admit your mistake otherwise your just discrediting yourself. And to think how many times you quoted to me “study to show yourself approved”, you don’t even know what a concordance or a lexicon is. So you’ve just shown everyone here your level of study.

God didn’t put the Bible into English, scholars did. So your whole line of questioning based on this false premise is completely irrelevant. Why do we need to understand the Greek? Because many Greek words can’t be accurately replaced by a single English word because the English language doesn’t have a single word that fully encompasses the definition of the Greek words used in the scriptures. Words like “repent” “believe” “faith” or “believer” do not contain the same definition as the Greek words “metanoia” “pisteuo” “pistis” or “pistos”. I’ve already tried to show you this before and you completely ignored it. So the English versions do not fully encompass the full message the original authors were trying to convey because translators were faced with the problem of trying to translate the scriptures without having to replace single words like pisteuo with the definition of the word since they didn’t have an English word available to use. This is why we have concordances and lexicons so that people who are studying the scriptures can understand the BIBLICAL definitions of the English words that were used in the translation. So hopefully you can see now that there’s a perfectly good reason why people who study the word of God also study the Greek and Hebrew languages.

 

[Sidon]

Seriously your going to pretend now that you knew the New Testament was written in Greek all along after you just said that the reason you know they weren’t written in Greek is because the apostles and Jesus were Hebrew not Greek.

Show some dignity and just admit your mistake otherwise your just discrediting yourself. And to think how many times you quoted to me “study to show yourself approved”, you don’t even know what a concordance or a lexicon is. So you’ve just shown everyone here your level of study.

God didn’t put the Bible into English, scholars did..

All Greek full NT's, of which there are about 30, are translations....
They are copies of copies of copies..


Now, Here is your misunderstanding.

You recognize "bible" as "greek".
I do not.
This does not "disqualify" me, is just shows that you are lost in a rabbit hole trying to shine.

When is the last time your Pope, Pastor, Bishop, Minister, gave a sermon in Greek?
A.) NEVER.
A.) Never
1.) Never

So, go and disqualify them, with your nonsense, BNR32FAN.
You'll achieve the same result, you found here.

Listen......MY New Testament is not written in Greek.
Its written in English.
I dont ever consider the Greek as my Authority, so, when i say that the NT is not written in Greek.
That's true.

God does not use the Greek.
He uses the English.
That's the Bible, not the greek.
The only people who use the greek, are teachers in a Greek NT CLass, and people who dont read the bible, but want something to play with.., so, they play with the Greek, that they can't read......thats you.

My BIBLE is not the Greek.
It is the ENGLISH.
Its the same one God uses.
This is why "koine greek" is only found in a very small part of Italy, and thats about it, while the ENGLISH LANGUAGE is found EVERYWHERE = Universal.

This is why the BIBLE, "in the time of the gentiles", is the ENGLISH.

 

[BNR32FAN]

You are talking about "someone's idea of what the words mean".
And the farther you get into that, is the farther you are getting away from what you need.
1. Spiritual Discernment
2. Good Teacher that isn't related to GREEK.

Do you see what i do here?
And compared to what i do in life, or on other Forums, what i've done here is barely getting started.
I use a NT and a Messianic "Golden Verses for your Life".
That's it.
I dont use commentaries.
I use a NT, and a Messianic "Golden Verses for your Life". And this is nothing but Bible verses.


When i was in seminary training, i had access to everything that you think is the LIGHT.
Its not.
God is the Light.
Jesus in you is the LIGHT.
See, you dont need more scholarship, you need more REVELATiON.
Thats why i write Threads here.
They are not just a pile of verses, cobbled together.......notice that yet?
I actually open the revelation, so that you can read it.
God gives the revelation to your spiritual eyes, if you will just allow it.

You’d think someone who attended a Seminary school might know that the New Testament was written in Greek. Wow, you might want to ask for a refund of your tuition money.

 

[BNR32FAN]

All Greek full NT's, of which there are about 30, are translations....
They are copies of copies of copies..


Now, Here is your misunderstanding.

You recognize "bible" as "greek".
I do not.
This does not "disqualify" me, is just shows that you are lost in a rabbit hole trying to shine.

When is the last time your Pope, Pastor, Bishop, Minister, gave a sermon in Greek?
A.) NEVER.
A.) Never
1.) Never

So, go and disqualify them, with your nonsense, BNR32FAN.
You'll achieve the same result, you found here.

Listen......MY New Testament is not written in Greek.
Its written in English.
I dont ever consider the Greek as my Authority, so, when i say that the NT is not written in Greek.
That's true.

God does not use the Greek.
He uses the English.
That's the Bible, not the greek.
The only people who use the greek, are teachers in a Greek NT CLass, and people who dont read the bible, but want something to play with.., so, they play with the Greek, that they can't read......thats you.

My BIBLE is not the Greek.
It is the ENGLISH.
Its the same one God uses.
This is why "koine greek" is only found in a very small part of Italy, and thats about it, while the ENGLISH LANGUAGE is found EVERYWHERE = Universal.

This is why the BIBLE, "in the time of the gentiles", is the ENGLISH.

The time of the Gentiles began in Christ’s ministry, 600 years before anyone spoke English.

 

[Sidon]

You’d think someone who attended a Seminary school might know that the New Testament was written in Greek. Wow, you might want to ask for a refund of your tuition money.

I got my money's worth, no worries.
Listen,
This subject is so much deeper than you are seeing, or then you know.
You've read a translator's greek, but ive studied where the manuscripts started and why they exist.

Go and find out who Origen is...
Start there, if you want to find out the basics, and from there, study hard.

For example, what is a bible.
Who decided what letters/epistles are left out.

Why did Peter say in 2nd Peter that Paul's letters are equal to the TORAH?

Why do some translators uses the Latin and not the greek.

on and on and on.

So, nothing about this is definitive.....
The Catholic bible, is not taken from the Greek., for example.

Manuscript evidence is not just..>"greek".
See, When you have a Greek text, such as the Textus Receptus that was used to create the KJV< and others, that is just 1 of 30.
So, why are 28 Greek Texts, that are all the NT, not used, not accepted..
See the bible was not just "greek", the NT is not just GREEK.
you have hebrew, you have aramaic.
You have "who really wrote it".....that is a whole universe of deeper textual understanding.
You dont have this knowledge, so dont sit there and pretend to teach me about it, BNR32fan.
Bad idea.

So, you are not a student of manuscript evidence.
You see a $150 study bible that compares the KJV< with the ASV, with the NIV, with the NASV, and there is some translators greek sitting there, and you think you have a JACK POT.
In fact, the jackpot is that $150 you paid this company to create something for someone who thinks the way you think, because you do not know what you should know.
I can help you, but, if you can't rise above the level of carnal insults then i'll let you play by yourself.

Now, i really can't make you understand what you dont know yet, about the "original greek"., and so, if you want to stay on this dead horse, then you kick it alone.
Or you can ask me some specific questions about manuscript evidence.
That's fine.

 

[Sidon]

The time of the Gentiles began in Christ’s ministry, 600 years before anyone spoke English.

The time of the Gentiles began when Jesus accepted His Father's will to hang on that Cross for your sin.

In Acts 2, you have Peter, preaching during the feast of Pentecost.
You read that he spoke with "other tongues", and all who heard him, heard in their own "language".

Do you think the "Other" languages were all "Greek"?

And who was there watching Peter?

JEWS.

Trust me when i tell you that a Hebrew, on that Day of Pentecost, which is a JEWISH FEAST, ....those Hebrews, were not hearing in "GREEK", as their main language.