How to walk in the Spirit.

[Sidon]

How do you think God viewed the Galatians Paul was addressing in Galatians 4:5?

Your Verse.......= This is the "time of the gentiles", being explained as "when the SET TIME had fully come"....

See that? thats verse 4, that is explaining 5 & 6
4 is the context and 5,6 are the RESULT.

The "set time"......that is......the foreknowledge of God, knowing all things, including the next thing God is going to do down here.

This is where "dispensational teaching", comes from,.... see the "set time"......that is a "season" or a "event calendar" or a "progressive revelation" regarding God dealing with Man over TIME.
That is Paul talking like this... I'll paraphrase...

""God is always doing things, progressively......from the now, to the next. And each of these is PLANNED. long before it occurs, in the foreknowledge of GOD.""


BNR32fan..... Do you Remember.. >in Genesis it said that the seed of the WOMAN (Mary) will crush the head of the Devil.. (the serpent".)
Well, that was a prophecy, given 4000 yrs before it happened as THE"SET TIME".... or the EVENT as FORETOLD > as THE Christ on the CROSS.
See it?
That is Galatians 5:4-6, coming into REALITY, as foretold by Genesis as a prophecy, 4000 yrs ago.

So the "set time" or dispensation that Galatians 5:4 is talking about , is when Jesus came and died, which started the >TIME< of the Gentiles"......see that "TIME"?
And the "gentile Apostle PAUL" is showing you.
He's the "gentile apostLe", teaching about the "time of the Gentiles".
Makes sense, huh.
Thats the "SET TIME" that was foretold in Genesis that came to Pass when Christ showed up and died and left and went back to Glory.
That started it.
It took 4000 yrs from the Genesis prophecy to the beginning of that ""SET TIME"", or dispensation, to arrive and become active as the OT revelation foretold.

See it Reader?

Now, look at vs 5. and you can then apply that verse into the "SET TIME", and see that this is the "time of the gentiles".

4: to redeem "THOSE", who were UNDER THE LAW . So, that is everyone from MOSES who gave the law, up until the Cross was raised, as "Grace and Truth came by JESUS THE CHRIST.
See that CHANGE?
So, starting with Christ on the Cross, the world , which is the "THOSE" in verse 5 , were all damned by unforgiven sin and fallen because of Adam's transgression.
So, the 2nd Adam, came to begin the "set time" and He is the reconciliation for the whole world, according to "as many as will believe". or John 3:16.
Jesus is GOD, come back, in the "set time", = to "redeem" = which is the "seed that crushes the head of the Devil".
Jesus's blood Atonement is this in reality.

So the TIME CAME for GOD to change what was happening to man, : from the OLD TESTAMENT to the NEW.
From Law to GRACE.
From the OLD TESTAMENT to the NEW.
From the OLD Covenant to the NEW.
From yearly blood sacrifice of animals to the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus" who is GOD in the FLESH.
1 Timothy 3:16.
See what God did?
He came down here in His SET TIME and "crushed the head of the serpent" with His BLOOD and DEATH and RESURRECTiON.

That is the CHANGE from the OLD COVENANT (law) to the NEW COVENANT, (Grace) (The blood Atonement) (The Cross)
See that change?
That is the "set time" coming into reality.
That is a new dispensation, or "season", beginning.

That CHANGE, were God was doing one thing with mankind, and CHANGED it into the "set time" that was coming since Genesis., where Christ would take us out from "under the law" and deliver us ..
= "Christ has REDEEMED US From the CURSE of the LAW".
That REDEEMING is your verse.
That redeeming is the GRACE of GOD, as "the gift of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness".

See that?
That is NOW.
That is "the time of the GENTILES".
That is the "SET TIME" in Galatians 5:4-6.

We, humanity, the human race, all people on the earth, are IN THAT SET TIME, right now... Its that SEASON, that DISPENSATION, and its about to change into the NEXT "set time", which is the next Dispensation or season, = The GREAT Tribulation.
This is another set time that was foretold by the word of God in the OT.

And here is an update for you.. readers..
There is one SIGN that is THE sign that Christ is about to take the Church out of this place.
Listen !!
Its this..."as in the DAYS of NOAH, (were) so shall the coming of the Son of Man BE".
So, when the CHURCH, the body of CHRIST sees that SIGN< then KNOW that we are about to leave this planet and meet our God and get our new body.
Its soon.

That sign is..>"as IN the Days of NOAH'.
And why did Noah build that ARK?
What did God do outside that ARK?
A.) God dealt with immoral sexuality, that had become world wide and uncontrollable.
The entire world had become as Sodom & Gomorrah. or "as in the days of Noah"..
Look at our world right now, today, reader.
You can't look out your window, and not see a Gay pride parade, or a Gay TV SHOW or GAY RIGHTS, or GAY Marriage, or GAY ADOPTION, or ......on and on and on.
THe SIGN IS HERE.....LOOK.
This dark dark immorality has become a plague on this world, like not since the "days of Noah".
So, reader, your RISEN GOD is about to come back for you.
Be ready, be born again.
Jesus said, "you MUST BE BORN AGAIN".
He's not kidding.

So Reader .....what is all this ???????, ...the "set time" and the "time of the Gentile" and SIGNS and Tribulations....etc, etc....
This is the Holy bible proving itself as TRUE PROGRESSIVE REVELATiON regarding showing you when it all started, and how, AND, when and how it will all end up, down here, on this earth.
Alpha to Omega.
Beginning to END.
All foretold.
All true.

 

[ozso]

I agree with what your saying here to a point but we’re talking about a person who deliberately killed innocent people. A person in that state of mind is not abiding in Christ and he did not repent. Had he repented then I would agree that he could be saved but being killed in the act of killing innocent Christians, this person would be condemned to the lake of fire for all eternity because in his final moments he was serving satan and Christ was not in him. He is the man who was invited to the feast but was not wearing his wedding garments.

I guess I didn't realize we were talking specifically about such an extreme situation. However, what if he had severe mental illness?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I guess I didn't realize we were talking specifically about such an extreme situation. However, what if he had severe mental illness?

Im not sure that the scriptures cover such a situation so we can only speculate.

 

[Sidon]

When I was in my state of complacency I watched stuff like that. But these days it's unappealing. I don't think I'm more saved now than I was then, just more sanctified.

What goes in your eyes and ears, becomes your heart's desire.

An example?
A billion people watch TV and see commercials that tell them that the New Apple IPhone is ready.
So, they go buy it.
They go buy that car.
They go buy that pizza.
They go see that movie.
They go and do whatever that TV just said as it just told them what to THINK ABOUT, again.

Recently, in the USA, there was a Presidential election.
IN many cases, regarding millions and millions, the TV decided who they voted for, and why.

Also, Salvation does not change.
Its always the same, since God described it in Genesis as "the seed of the woman, shall Crush the serpent's head".
Salvation is God on the Cross, and that is not going to change, no matter how much TV we watch or avoid.

 

[Sidon]

No, that's not how it works. Yes, the only way to the Father is through Jesus as per John 14:6- and that means we must take up our cross and follow Him daily.

No, that is not true.
See, you just stated that, your faith, is..... you are saving yourself by taking up your own Cross.
That is LEGALISM.
That is "another gospel", Galatians 1:8
You just described it, perfectly, as your own self effort.

Let me show you something..
Salvation is not you on the Cross, Its God on the Cross.

Discipleship, that follows Salvation, is your cross..
Thats a different one, fhansen.

 

[Sidon]

Your thread is not the authority on God’s word,

My Thread explain the way you understand how to walk in the Spirit.
To walk in the spirit, you have to understand how.

See, this is not generally taught in Church.
That's why im teaching it here.

If you want to walk IN The Spirit.....
You have to renew your mind so that your believing faith perfectlly corresponds to God's perspective of who you have been recreated to be, as a " New Creation IN Christ."

 

[Sidon]

I didn’t ask if they were saved because I didn’t know the answer. I asked because I already knew the answer. My point was that Paul’s message in 1 Corinthians 2:14 is that those who set their mind on the flesh cannot discern things of the Spirit because they are not focusing on the Spirit.

bnr32fan, you wrote

"""focusing on the Spirit"""..

What does that mean? ?????????????????????

Show us a verse in the NT that tells a born again person to "focus on the Spirit".

Listen,
the word of God is "rightly divided" or its wrongly divided.
You learn to do this, as God shows you, as you "study to show yourself approved".
That happens over time, using discipline and commitment to the word of God.

To rightly divide it, is not about "focusing on the Spirit".
A believer rightly divides the word, by DISCERNMENT regarding the spiritual context of a verse.

Discernment is not a mental ascent, regarding "rightly dividing the word".
Discernment is Christ in a believer opening the Verses as spiritual enlightenment.
Its this..."that the eyes of your understandings".........
See those eyes?
That's Spiritual Discernment

 

[Sidon]

But Jesus says the "blessed" are poor in spirit, meek, merciful, and pure in heart . . . right? So, we need how God changes us to become in our new character . . . not only in how we see ourselves and think about ourselves.

"rather let it be the hidden person of the heart, with the incorruptible beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is very precious in the sight of God." (1 Peter 3:4)

Here, "gentle and quiet", I consider, means how Jesus in us is "gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls" (Matthew 11:28-30) > by nature, God's love makes us gentle in quiet rest. And this makes us pleasing to our Father.

Plus, in the gentleness and quietness of Jesus we have the character to be submissive to our Father, so we can obey how He rules us in His own peace >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

This is a basic of Christianity > that we submit "in one body" to how our Father rules us in His own peace in us.

So, this is included in walking in the Holy Spirit.

Nive verses.

Consider that what you are posting is discipleship., and we walk in that......we walk it out.
That is our becoming "the fullness of the Stature of Christ".

You wrote about "doing" or "letting"...........of yourself as a lifestyle of obedience.

All great.


But here is the thing.
Most believers, are caught in the natural mind trap of sinning and confessing.
Most believers have the BELIEF that if they dont do certain things, or not do certain things, they can go to hell, after they die.
So, that idea of self saving, is "fallen from Grace", and in that mental and spiritual condition, they can't stop sinning and confessing.
Most actually believe that they are supposed to be doing this... because they have been taught that "sometimes you sin, and so, confess and repent and move on'.
They are taught this failed discipleship deception from pulpits and from commentaries and from other people on Forums.

So, to get out of that, a believer has to learn HOW.
And that is to learn how to walk in the Spirit so that you exist as born again like this..

"Christ ALWAYS gives me the VICTORY">

See that?
That is the END RESULT of understanding how to walk in the Spirit.

 

[BNR32FAN]

What goes in your eyes and ears, becomes your heart's desire.

An example?
A billion people watch TV and see commercials that tell them that the New Apple IPhone is ready.
So, they go buy it.
They go buy that car.
They go buy that pizza.
They go see that movie.
They go and do whatever that TV just said as it just told them what to THINK ABOUT, again.

Recently, in the USA, there was a Presidential election.
IN many cases, regarding millions and millions, the TV decided who they voted for, and why.

Also, Salvation does not change.
Its always the same, since God described it in Genesis as "the seed of the woman, shall Crush the serpent's head".
Salvation is God on the Cross, and that is not going to change, no matter how much TV we watch or avoid.

This is not even close to being true. People buy an iPhone because it’s an extremely useful piece of technology, not because the tv told them to buy it. People buy a car for the same reason. No matter what car they buy I guarantee there’s a commercial for it on tv. All cars are advertised on tv. Tv provides information about products that people base their decision on.

 

[ozso]

This is not even close to being true. People buy an iPhone because it’s an extremely useful piece of technology, not because the tv told them to buy it. People buy a car for the same reason. No matter what car they buy I guarantee there’s a commercial for it on tv. All cars are advertised on tv. Tv provides information about products that people base their decision on.

Oh come on now. People are heavily influenced by advertising. That's why it's such a huge industry. People spend $600 on a phone when they could get one for $100, because advertising tells people the expensive one is the one you want people to see you with. It's all about temptation, covetousness, vanity and materialism.

 

[Sidon]

I guess I didn't realize we were talking specifically about such an extreme situation. However, what if he had severe mental illness?

All sin is dealt with on The Cross, by the Blood of Jesus, and His Death and resurrection.

Some believers have no faith that Christ has dealt with all their sin, so, when they see a Christian Sinning, they can't understand that this sin also, whatever it is, was dealt with 2000 yrs ago, by Jesus's blood, death, and resurrection.

WELCOME TO THE GRACE OF GOD.
WELCOME TO : SALVATiON.

Most believers have not been taught to realize that 2000 yrs ago is when Jesus dealt with all the sin of the world that has occurred,, since the Cross was raised.

Jesus isn't dying on the Cross, today, reader.
He already did that, and that happened 2000 yrs ago.
His blood, and body, and life, were given, 2000 yrs ago, and this SALVATiON, is still saving 2000 yrs INTO THE FUTURE.
Including all TOMORROWS.
That is how you stay saved, if you are born again.
See, God's BLOOD is an ETERNAL redemption.
IT NEVER STOPS KEEPING YOU RIGHTEOUS.
If you are born again, you are ALWAYS "Made Righteous" by the BLOOD ATONEMENT.

That includes all your sin, if you are born again.

So, some believers dont understand this at all, and dont want to believe it.. and that is why they can't BELIEVE that a shooter, or a rapist, who is born again, is already forgiven......2000 yrs ago.
See, the natural mind wants them to go to hell., because the natural mind does not think its fair or right for such a horrible christian to be forgiven, such a horrible crime.
So, their argument is against the Cross, and they lost their carnal argument, 2000 yrs ago.

God , is above all that type carnal minded perspective because His Blood, created THIS reality..
= "where SIN abounds (where it happens) .. GRACE (the blood of Jesus forgiving it) More Abounds"> (is greater.

See the blood of Jesus, paid for the sin of the WORLD, 2000 yrs ago.
And so, it can easily deal with a murder committed by a person, and did, if they are born again.....2000 yrs ago.

Carnal Christians can't stand this, however.
They can't stand that God would DARE keep someone saved, who isn't as good as they think they are.....however, God has a different perspective of all who He has "made Righteous".

 

[Sidon]

This is not even close to being true. People buy an iPhone because it’s an extremely useful piece of technology, not because the tv told them to buy it.

You're not realizing it.

Listen, who told you that the IPHONE Is a "extremely useful piece of Tech" when it showed up, in 2007.
Did you know about it before you were told it had arrived?
No.
So...
Who told you that the IPHONE Camera is better than the Samsung's?
Who told you about the New FORD TRUCK that is a HYBRID.
Who told you to go to Burger King, instead of McDonalds, yesterday?
Who told you to think about that choice?

Trust me, you were not thinking about any of your choices to buy what you have been led to WANT, until ......

1.) a TV told you it was available, or you saw it online. = A SCREEN told you what to choose, what your CHOICES ARE...... and maybe that screen is your IPHONE.

See, you have to SEE the PRODUCT to WANT IT.
So, MEDIA is doing that to you, through a SCREEN.

You never saw it till a SCREEN TOLD YOU IT WAS Available, to WANT.

C'mon.
Wake up.

 

[BNR32FAN]

bnr32fan, you wrote

"""focusing on the Spirit"""..

What does that mean? ?????????????????????

Show us a verse in the NT that tells a born again person to "focus on the Spirit".

Ive already shown you this and you still refuse to see it.

“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. B E ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:17-32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The whole point of this message is to focus on the Spirit and adhere to His guidance.

 

[fhansen]

No, that is not true.
See, you just stated that, your faith, is..... you are saving yourself by taking up your own Cross.
That is LEGALISM.
That is "another gospel", Galatians 1:8
You just described it, perfectly, as your own self effort.

Let me show you something..
Salvation is not you on the Cross, Its God on the Cross.

Discipleship, that follows Salvation, is your cross..
Thats a different one, fhansen.

No, salvation follows “discipleship”, which begins immediately at justification. IOW, a believer can lose their state of justice by living and acting unjustly, by not taking up their cross, by burying their talents, by not living as a disciple or child of God, not living by the Spirit but living by the flesh, not remaining in Him.

I am sorry if this offends you but this is quite scriptural. It’s ok that man is obligated to be righteous. It’s ok that you have your responsibility, even as the fulfillment of it is only possible with His help. God is seeking to make something of us, and just like in this world, that happens with right choices. It’s always been about the human will. Man’s justice/righteousness is directly connected to the degree to which his will is aligned with Gods. And yet he can't do it apart from Him.

And the first step, the first right choice, is faith. At justification man is not only forgiven of sin and declared righteous, but he's truly made righteous, given the gifts of hope and love in addition to faith. We may or may not "feel" like it, but that's who we are now as new creations, with new hearts, and with the power of the Spirit to live like it. If we were to die in that moment nothing would impede us from entering heaven. And yet most of us will continue on with more given to us, more time, more opportunity, more gifts with which to work out our salvation with He who works in us, with more expected from those given more. We'll be tested, sifted, challenged, chastised, and hopefully refined while growing only nearer to God by the end of the day.

This idea that justified man is a snow-covered dung-heap, or a saint while simultaneously a sinner, or that one part of him is holy while the rest is not, is confused and false. He's given the gift of holiness, but isn't yet necessarily totally sold out to God, in will, not yet fully bound to Him, doesn't yet love Him with his whole heart, soul, mind, and strength IOW, and so can fail to persevere, can turn back away from Him and to sin.

No righteousness or holiness that man obtains, whether one calls it justification or sanctification, comes by the law. No genuine lawfulness that one obtains, comes by the law.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Your Verse.......= This is the "time of the gentiles", being explained as "when the SET TIME had fully come"....

See that? thats verse 4, that is explaining 5 & 6
4 is the context and 5,6 are the RESULT.

The "set time"......that is......the foreknowledge of God, knowing all things, including the next thing God is going to do down here.

This is where "dispensational teaching", comes from,.... see the "set time"......that is a "season" or a "event calendar" or a "progressive revelation" regarding God dealing with Man over TIME.
That is Paul talking like this... I'll paraphrase...

""God is always doing things, progressively......from the now, to the next. And each of these is PLANNED. long before it occurs, in the foreknowledge of GOD.""


BNR32fan..... Do you Remember.. >in Genesis it said that the seed of the WOMAN (Mary) will crush the head of the Devil.. (the serpent".)
Well, that was a prophecy, given 4000 yrs before it happened as THE"SET TIME".... or the EVENT as FORETOLD > as THE Christ on the CROSS.
See it?
That is Galatians 5:4-6, coming into REALITY, as foretold by Genesis as a prophecy, 4000 yrs ago.

So the "set time" or dispensation that Galatians 5:4 is talking about , is when Jesus came and died, which started the >TIME< of the Gentiles"......see that "TIME"?
And the "gentile Apostle PAUL" is showing you.
He's the "gentile apostLe", teaching about the "time of the Gentiles".
Makes sense, huh.
Thats the "SET TIME" that was foretold in Genesis that came to Pass when Christ showed up and died and left and went back to Glory.
That started it.
It took 4000 yrs from the Genesis prophecy to the beginning of that ""SET TIME"", or dispensation, to arrive and become active as the OT revelation foretold.

See it Reader?

Now, look at vs 5. and you can then apply that verse into the "SET TIME", and see that this is the "time of the gentiles".

4: to redeem "THOSE", who were UNDER THE LAW . So, that is everyone from MOSES who gave the law, up until the Cross was raised, as "Grace and Truth came by JESUS THE CHRIST.
See that CHANGE?
So, starting with Christ on the Cross, the world , which is the "THOSE" in verse 5 , were all damned by unforgiven sin and fallen because of Adam's transgression.
So, the 2nd Adam, came to begin the "set time" and He is the reconciliation for the whole world, according to "as many as will believe". or John 3:16.
Jesus is GOD, come back, in the "set time", = to "redeem" = which is the "seed that crushes the head of the Devil".
Jesus's blood Atonement is this in reality.

So the TIME CAME for GOD to change what was happening to man, : from the OLD TESTAMENT to the NEW.
From Law to GRACE.
From the OLD TESTAMENT to the NEW.
From the OLD Covenant to the NEW.
From yearly blood sacrifice of animals to the "one time eternal sacrifice of Jesus" who is GOD in the FLESH.
1 Timothy 3:16.
See what God did?
He came down here in His SET TIME and "crushed the head of the serpent" with His BLOOD and DEATH and RESURRECTiON.

That is the CHANGE from the OLD COVENANT (law) to the NEW COVENANT, (Grace) (The blood Atonement) (The Cross)
See that change?
That is the "set time" coming into reality.
That is a new dispensation, or "season", beginning.

That CHANGE, were God was doing one thing with mankind, and CHANGED it into the "set time" that was coming since Genesis., where Christ would take us out from "under the law" and deliver us ..
= "Christ has REDEEMED US From the CURSE of the LAW".
That REDEEMING is your verse.
That redeeming is the GRACE of GOD, as "the gift of Salvation" and "the Gift of Righteousness".

See that?
That is NOW.
That is "the time of the GENTILES".
That is the "SET TIME" in Galatians 5:4-6.

We, humanity, the human race, all people on the earth, are IN THAT SET TIME, right now... Its that SEASON, that DISPENSATION, and its about to change into the NEXT "set time", which is the next Dispensation or season, = The GREAT Tribulation.
This is another set time that was foretold by the word of God in the OT.

And here is an update for you.. readers..
There is one SIGN that is THE sign that Christ is about to take the Church out of this place.
Listen !!
Its this..."as in the DAYS of NOAH, (were) so shall the coming of the Son of Man BE".
So, when the CHURCH, the body of CHRIST sees that SIGN< then KNOW that we are about to leave this planet and meet our God and get our new body.
Its soon.

That sign is..>"as IN the Days of NOAH'.
And why did Noah build that ARK?
What did God do outside that ARK?
A.) God dealt with immoral sexuality, that had become world wide and uncontrollable.
The entire world had become as Sodom & Gomorrah. or "as in the days of Noah"..
Look at our world right now, today, reader.
You can't look out your window, and not see a Gay pride parade, or a Gay TV SHOW or GAY RIGHTS, or GAY Marriage, or GAY ADOPTION, or ......on and on and on.
THe SIGN IS HERE.....LOOK.
This dark dark immorality has become a plague on this world, like not since the "days of Noah".
So, reader, your RISEN GOD is about to come back for you.
Be ready, be born again.
Jesus said, "you MUST BE BORN AGAIN".
He's not kidding.

So Reader .....what is all this ???????, ...the "set time" and the "time of the Gentile" and SIGNS and Tribulations....etc, etc....
This is the Holy bible proving itself as TRUE PROGRESSIVE REVELATiON regarding showing you when it all started, and how, AND, when and how it will all end up, down here, on this earth.
Alpha to Omega.
Beginning to END.
All foretold.
All true.

What are you taking about? How in the world do you come up with the idea that Galatians 5:4 is referring to Genesis 3? Ok I’ve finally figured out the problem here and I’m afraid no one can fix it. You just make up whatever you want to believe because you are incapable of understanding the scriptures. Galatians 5:4 has nothing to do with past events. It was dealing with the present situation.


“You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision means anything, but faith working through love. You were running well; who hindered you from obeying the truth?”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:4-7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

This is about Gentile believers being tricked into conforming to the Mosaic Law in order to be saved. They were being misled by the Judiasers and as a result they had fallen from grace. This had nothing to do with Genesis 3 or anything from past times.

 

[Sidon]

Ive already shown you this and you still refuse to see it.

“So this I say, and affirm together with the Lord, that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind, being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart; and they, having become callous, have given themselves over to sensuality for the practice of every kind of impurity with greediness. But you did not learn Christ in this way, if indeed you have heard Him and have been taught in Him, just as truth is in Jesus, that, in reference to your former manner of life, you lay aside the old self, which is being corrupted in accordance with the lusts of deceit, and that you be renewed in the spirit of your mind, and put on the new self, which in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of the truth. Therefore, laying aside falsehood, SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, for we are members of one another. B E ANGRY, AND yet DO NOT SIN; do not let the sun go down on your anger, and do not give the devil an opportunity. He who steals must steal no longer; but rather he must labor, performing with his own hands what is good, so that he will have something to share with one who has need. Let no unwholesome word proceed from your mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment, so that it will give grace to those who hear. Do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption. Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭4:17-32‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬The whole point of this message is to focus on the Spirit and adhere to His guidance.

You cut and pasted a lot of verse, and yet nowhere in any of it, does it talk abut "focusing on the Spirit".
And then you say, this is your proof?

So, What you did was post my Thread, as 2 verses, found in your collection of verses.

"be renewed in the Spirit of your mind". "and put on the new self".

See those 2 verses you posted.?

I have a Thread regarding TRANSFORMATION< that details how to ""put on the new SELF".
I explain how.

And you've been on my Walking in the Spirit Thread and one other that details how to "renew your mind".

I explain how.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Listen, who told you that the IPHONE Is a "extremely useful piece of Tech" when it showed up, in 2007.

I never even heard about an iPhone until 2010 when my company issued me one.

Did you know about it before you were told it had arrived?
No.

Obviously

Who told you that the IPHONE Camera is better than the Samsung's?

Who cares? Samsung says theirs is better than IPhone. I don’t believe everything advertised about a product I’m very skeptical in most cases being a pessimist.

Who told you about the New FORD TRUCK that is a HYBRID.

Honestly you did just now. Didn’t know they had one and I still don’t care that they do.

Who told you to go to Burger King, instead of McDonalds, yesterday?
Who told you to think about that choice?

Ummm, nobody, I decided to go to taco cabana despite the hundreds of commercials I’ve seen on tv promoting McDonald’s and Burger King because I’ve ate there before and I like their food.

Trust me, you were not thinking about any of your choices to buy what you have been led to WANT, until ......

1.) a TV told you it was available, or you saw it online. = A SCREEN told you what to choose, what your CHOICES ARE...... and maybe that screen is your IPHONE.

See, you have to SEE the PRODUCT to WANT IT.
So, MEDIA is doing that to you, through a SCREEN.

You never saw it till a SCREEN TOLD YOU IT WAS Available, to WANT.

I seem to remember wanting a tv when I was a child before we had one. I don’t know if your aware of this or not but I’m pretty certain that people had wants thousands of years before the television was ever invented. I don’t have to see a product on tv or any media source before I want it I can see it in real life or I can be told about it by someone. Out of all the things I see on tv probably less than 40% of them interest me. I hate commercials so I’m not happy to see the product, I just want to continue with my movie or show. So the television does not dictate what I want, it gives me information about the product so that I can choose whether I’m interested or not. The same goes with Game of Thrones or the Sapranos. I don’t see millions of people going around killing everyone with a broad sword or doing mafia hits. I swear you come up with some of the most of the wall brainstorms I’ve ever seen in my life. I’d be willing to bet that your a conspiracy theorist, am I right?

 

[Sidon]

No, salvation follows “discipleship”,

You are teaching Mormonism, JW doctrine.?
See, what you are teaching, is not taught by any mainline Protestant denomination.
No Christian denomination, mainline, teaches that you are to be a disciple of Christ BEFORE you are born again, as you just posted.
So, this stuff you are teaching, is not related to The Cross, and it is not related to Paul, or the New Testament.
Is it Book of Mormon?
Its not even Catholic doctrine.

 

[fhansen]

You are teaching Mormonism, JW doctrine.?
See, what you are teaching, is not taught by any mainline Protestant denomination.
No Christian denomination, mainline, teaches that you are to be a disciple of Christ BEFORE you are born again, as you just posted.
So, this stuff you are teaching, is not related to The Cross, and it is not related to Paul, or the New Testament.
Is it Book of Mormon?
Its not even Catholic doctrine.

I haven't read the book of Mormon as far as I can remember. But it is Catholic doctrine, solid Catholic doctrine. Once born again, we work out or salvation, with at least a healthy degree of fear and trembling. We're now empowered by the Holy Spirit to live righteously but as I said the will of man is still involved. Read the canons of the second Council of Orange sometime when you get a chance all the way through Conclusions and then you'll better understand Catholic teaching.

 

[Sidon]

I never even heard about an iPhone until 2010 when my company issued me one.
ObviouslyWho cares? Samsung says theirs is better than IPhone. I don’t believe everything advertised about a product I’m very skeptical in most cases being a pessimist.
Honestly you did just now. Didn’t know they had one and I still don’t care that they do.
Ummm, nobody, I decided to go to taco cabana despite the hundreds of commercials I’ve seen on tv promoting McDonald’s and Burger King because I’ve ate there before and I like their food.
I seem to remember wanting a tv when I was a child before we had one. I don’t know if your aware of this or not but I’m pretty certain that people had wants thousands of years before the television was ever invented. I don’t have to see a product on tv or any media source before I want it I can see it in real life or I can be told about it by someone. Out of all the things I see on tv probably less than 40% of them interest me. I hate commercials so I’m not happy to see the product, I just want to continue with my movie or show. So the television does not dictate what I want, it gives me information about the product so that I can choose whether I’m interested or not. The same goes with Game of Thrones or the Sapranos. I don’t see millions of people going around killing everyone with a broad sword or doing mafia hits. I swear you come up with some of the most of the wall brainstorms I’ve ever seen in my life. I’d be willing to bet that your a conspiracy theorist, am I right?

Listen, i understand that you need to shift into personal attack mode.
I get it.
I see you.
Been there many times before..
But do yourself a favor, and let that go, asap.
Remember that this is a Christian forum, if you can.

Now, There are always conspiracies.
Most Countries have as their news, what they want you to think.
Do you realized that CNN, FOX, MSNBC< are owned by people who have a political agenda?
If you think they are not using the media (TV) (INTERNET) to try to run and change the culture, based on their politics, then when you do find this out, won't you be surprised....
See....
There are always people who are behind the scenes.
And behind them, is their Father.
God, or Satan.
The end result of what they try to do, lies in that reality.

Also.

The reason you want what you want, is because your TV or whatever screen it is you use to make a decision to buy, is the reason you put it on the choice list, to begin with....

Listen, the only reason you know about most of the products you want, is because a SCREEN showed them to you.
You would not even know to make a choice, had you not seen a screen that told you what the choices are to buy.
They limited your choices, based on the AD.
Each AD is convincing you, if possible to buy their product.
That you dont understand this, is something you need to learn.

So, Ive noticed that you and i are not on the same track.
Your responses to me, generally, have nothing to do with what im saying.

For, example, i said that Christians watch what they shouldn't a lot, on TV, or DVD.
One member responded and said that they use to do this...
You respond talking about Game of Thrones not causing believers to commit murder.
So, where did you come up with that idea, as you didnt get it from me., and it has noting to do with any post where i talked about Game of Thrones.
I said that we have to be careful what we do with our eyes..... and named a few programs as the bad examples for our eye gate.

Now, if you are trying to prove that watching murder causes murder, then try on that idea regarding teens and older, who are playing savage video games for years. AS, They become desensitized toward violence.
Did you ever wonder why a 17 yr old male, can shoot 30 people,, and just keep shooting?
Listen, the first one shot, started screaming, and by the 5th one, everyone is screaming, and the blood is gushing out, like a garden hose.
Its everywhere.
Yet, they keep on pulling that trigger, just like they keep on killing in that video game, for the last 10 yrs, all day long, all night long.
This person can't distinguish video from reality, any longer.
So, check that one regarding your next 15-22 yr old "mass murderer", you read about.

And who told your company that you needed an IPhone, instead of the other brands?
Its the same marketing team that shows you on your TV why you need an IPHONE.

Let me try it this way...
Do you understand, that companies spend millions of dollars on advertisement that is designed to make you chose their product. ???????????
That is what the MEDIA sells. They sell to you, YOUR CHOICE that they designed.
This is '"marketing".
Every heard of it?
It sells you, their stuff, and this can be a product, it can be a Candidate, it can be the idea that Israel causes all the problems in the middle east.
Did you see the MEDIA selling that idea last week?
Did you buy it?
See, all these products, and ideas, come from NOT YOUR MIND, originally.
They are put in there for you to choose, by a screen you watch, or even an article you read.