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Featured How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    Judgement for the saved isn't about going to heaven. It's about receiving eternal life and being able to enter new Jerusalem in the NHNE and that happens before the thousand years begin. It is only after the thousand years that the unsaved are judged to the LOF.
     
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  2. lismore

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    Hello Facts. Roman Emperors in the past demanded to be worshipped as gods and were by many. People are little lost sheep, if they don't follow the shepherd they will follow anything that moves. Blessing to you :)
     
  3. Erik Nelson

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    That interpretation opposes the plain reading of revelation, which says that 5 heads 5. Kings have been one head one King IS.

    PRESENT TENSE on number 6.

    Caesar Augustus. Tiberius. Caligula. Claudius NERO.
     
  4. Erik Nelson

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    That interpretation opposes the plain reading of Revelation.

    the Church defeats the beast in revelation 19 BEFORE the Millennium of Revelation 20, brought about by the defeat of the beast in the previous chapter, BEFORE the time of Gog and Magog, revelation 20 verses 7 through 9, all BEFORE the final judgment comes the Great White throne, revelation 20 verses 10 on up.
     
  5. Dan1988

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    The book of revelation is the most difficult book in the entire Bible, it was written in such a way that only those who are indwelt by the Holy Spirit will understand it.

    I'm not sure how you arrived at the conclusion that "America will be destroyed by nuclear weapons" Iv'e never heard that before. There are all kinds of interpretations but there is only one truth.

    I don't believe in a god, who would destroy the country which has the largest number of believers in the world, I can't find anything in the book of revelation to indicate that God will do such a thing.
     
  6. Pethesedzao

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    America will be destroyed after the Church has been raptured. One third of the Earth will be destroyed...
     
  7. ViaCrucis

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    Seeing as there's no such thing as "the rapture" as Dispensationalists understand it, then that kind of throws that whole notion out of the window.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  8. timothyu

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    Do they put God's will before their own and love all neighbours as s self or do they seek gain at the expense of others, redefining good and evil to suit the cause??
     
  9. Pethesedzao

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    Praying for you
     
  10. ewq1938

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    Well, it shows Christ defeating the beast not the church. This does happen before the thousand years happens.


    Yes.
     
  11. Erik Nelson

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    Revelations 19. Does depict a clearly Christ like figure. It does not demand a premillennial interpretation.

    The church is the body of Christ on Earth. If, the church was victorious over. The beast. That would be symbolized the same way as a Christ like figure, defeating the beast.

    Exactly as the beast symbolizes the Pagan Roman Empire. And the harlot Babylon symbolizes apostate Jerusalem. So. The conquering Christ like figure possibly symbolizes the church triomphant as it was under Constantine and the quickly ensuing Council of Nicaea. Which literally means Council of victory

    obviously there is a Christ like figure who comes in conkers? And brings about a mini first resurrection. That obviously contains many elements which resemble. The Second Coming.

    But I don't think it's enough to be conclusive. When Jesus comes the second time it will be for final judgment. It'll be an eternal separation of righteous this wickedness. For everyone, I General Judgment not just a mini resurrection of some Saints.
     
  12. Dan1988

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    The "they" you refer to are not whom I'm referring to. Gods people can never get anywhere near the government. Those who rule America are not Christians, they are secular authorities who represent the vast majority.

    I'm referring to statistics, which show that America has the highest number of professing Christians in the world, but they are still in the minority because most are secular or atheist.

    America's constitution was formed on Biblical principles, but they have been severely eroded over the past 4 decades. 70 million children have been murdered in their mother womb in America since the early 1970's when the abortion law was passed.

    Christians are now jailed and persecuted in America for speaking out against the government, so we know that America is no longer a "Christian Nation" as it was in the early days. But it still has the highest number of believers.

    The Bible never teaches us to go into the streets and burn cars and smash shops to make our claim, so Im against all those "Christians" who rebel and cause havoc by protesting and causing civil unrest.

    The Bible teaches us to follow Christ, He never formed groups of vigilantes or challenged the powers with physical violence or force. He taught the Gospel which changes people from the inside out, not from the outside in.
     
  13. ewq1938

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    No, it is Christ.

    It does actually when you take the order of listed in Rev 19 and 20 regarding when the beast and FP are cast into the LOF and when Satan is cast into the LOF since it says the beast and FP are already there proving the events of Rev 19 did happen prior to the start of the thousand years which proves Premill correct. Jesus returns before the thousand years. Scripture makes this clear.




    No, the beast is a new global government that is unlike any that came before such as Rome. Also, Babylon is symbolic of false religion and is all deceived peoples who are in that religion not just Jerusalem. With these two things we must always think bigger than Rome and Jerusalem. Rome is long gone, and Jerusalem will take part in the abominations of Babylon.



    Nope. The church is the armies that follow Christ.

    Rev 19:13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    Obviously "his name is called The Word of God" is Jesus the Word of God.



    Not according to what is found in the book of Rev.
     
  14. Erik Nelson

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    Not according to the postmillennial view. Many fine scholars like Kenneth Gentry support the post millenia view.



    yes

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    Already did 2000 years ago. Sounds like you're now sliding into Futurism. Or its age, Rome was already a very different kind of Polity and state then Babylon. Persia. And the Greeks. It was at its core a Republic not a Kingdom or empire.




    That is logical. But still does not automatically prove the premillennial perspective over the postmillennial one.
     
  15. ewq1938

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    Well they are wrong. It is Christ.

    There is no real difference.

    It proves the person whose name is the word of God is Jesus and then this next thing shows how Jesus does return before the start of the thousand years.

    It does actually when you take the order of listed in Rev 19 and 20 regarding when the beast and FP are cast into the LOF and when Satan is cast into the LOF since it says the beast and FP are already there proving the events of Rev 19 did happen prior to the start of the thousand years which proves Premill correct. Jesus returns before the thousand years. Scripture makes this clear.
     
  16. timtams

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    I agree, but I'm interested in hearing how you concluded this?
     
  17. Ronald

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    It is not that simple. As you know, there are many views of how this is all going to pan out.
    People who are the reprobate will be given a strong delusion so that they believe the lies. But also the AC will perform super-natural miracles, rain fire from the sky, etc. That's enough to get everyone else on board -- for who can war against him?
    In the Pre-Trib view, the Church will be gone.
    In the Mid-Trib view, we will have to endure through the first Six Trumpet events and will be taken out at the Seventh trumpet (last). Then the wrath of God comes in the Seven Bowls.
    The Post Trib View suffers us through the most deadly part and takes us out at the end.
    Those are just Pre-Millennial views. There are Post Millennial, Preterist (Amillennial), Partial-Preterist views as well. So it's not all that simple. Many of us think we have it right and it's not the way you said! :)
     
  18. Just The Facts

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    Hi Ron

    I agree he uses the great wonder as described by Paul which is Fire from Heaven as told in Rv13:

    Please see this thread to see how I believe it is all possible and tell me what you think.

    One plus One Equals
     
  19. timothyu

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    I've noticed that no one has addressed the fact that an entire splintered and warring world must all accept this entity. All humanity, not just those we know from the news. So in all likelihood it is not a person.
     
  20. LittleLambofJesus

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    I suppose.
    So much for my 15yrs of viewing 1st century Jerusalem in Revelation.

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Early/index.html
    Apocalypse: Early Date Advocates

    https://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Late/index.html
    Apocalypse: Late Date Advocates

    No matter the dating, the Kingdom of Heaven and Kingdom of God arrived at the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad as prophecied by our Lord Jesus and the OT Prophets

    Matthew 4:17
    From that time Jesus began to preach and to say,
    “Repent, for the kingdom of the heavens is nigh<1448>.
    Mark 1:15 and saying, “The time is fulfilled,
    and the kingdom of God is nigh<1448>. Repent! and believe in the Gospel.”

    Luke 21:
    20 Whenever yet ye may be seeing Jerusalem being compassed by armies,
    then be ye knowing that nigh<1448> the desolating of Her. [Daniel 12/Revelation 18, 19]
    28 “Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is nigh<1448>.”
    30 - When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh<1451>.
    31 - So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh<1451>

    Romans 13:
    11 And this knowing the time, that hour it-is already out of sleep to be roused,
    for now nearer<1452> of us the Salvation than when we believed.
    12 The Night progresses, the yet Day is nigh<1448>.
    We should be putting off then the works of the Darkness, we should be putting on the implements of the Light.

    Hebrews 8:13
    in the to be saying `New', He hath made Old the first
    The yet being aged and being obsolete nigh<1451> of disappearance

    1 Peter 4:7
    Of all-things yet the End is nigh<1448>
    be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

    James 5:8
    be patient! and stand-fast! the hearts of ye,
    that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord is nigh<1448>

    Revelation 1:3

    Blessed/happy the one reading, and the ones hearing, the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
    That the Time nigh/egguV <1451>.

    Revelation 22:10
    And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
    That the Time is nigh<1451>
     
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