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Featured How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Just The Facts

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    Hi Timothy

    You are right it is not a person it is a Fallen Angel. A Fallen Angel pretending to be Jesus returned.
     
  2. timothyu

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    So why would a world that can't agree with each other on anything suddenly all accept that.
     
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    The beast does not convince the world it is Christ,but if it claimed to be Israel it could attract jews from all over the world.From all nations ,tongues,and peoples.

    Now if im not mistaken an antichrist denies Christ.Not many people in Israel except Jesus.
     
  4. timothyu

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    Slight problem. Israel is 12 tribes. The Jews are but one. And what is called Israel today isn't even Isreal of old but the nation of Judah
     
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    What i said it coud do has been done.Thats not a slight problem.
     
  6. ewq1938

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    I think it could be Satan himself.

    Who is the wicked one spoken of in these verses?


    1 John 5:18 We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.


    We all know this is satan.


    1 John 3:12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.


    We all know this is satan.


    1 John 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.


    We all know this is satan.


    1 John 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.


    We all know this is satan.


    Matthew 13:38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
    Matthew 13:39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.


    Here we are told directly it is the devil!


    Now that we have that established:


    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
    2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:



    Paul calls the Antichrist three names, all names of Satan but "that Wicked" is the easiest to prove to be none other than Satan.


    Don't worry that this says "Wicked" while the others say "wicked one". It is the same wording, and the word "one" is added for clarity the other times.



    9999 means the word "one" was added.



    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


    Realize that Paul is referring to what Isaiah wrote:


    Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    Isaiah 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isaiah 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
    Isaiah 14:16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;



    Satan is called the son of perdition because that's his fate:


    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    Isaiah makes clear it is Satan that is cast into that pit as well as the 5th trump which calls Satan the "angel of the pit", not to mention Satan being cast into the pit for 1000 years.

    So, Isaiah speaks of lucifer/satan and mentions things that Paul says the antichrist shall do, using the same examples we find in Isaiah. Then, we see the same things happening to satan in Revelation. It doesn't take much to realize Paul is saying satan will be the antichrist. We only need to connect the dots.





    2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


    Paul not only calls Satan the "man of sin" and the "son of perdition" but also calls him "that Wicked". Those three names should be enough for any bible reading Christian to fully recognize who Paul is speaking about.


    "whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders"


    (the word after in the Greek does not mean "after" as in chronological order but "after" as in "like" or "according to")



    So why you ask does Paul say this Wicked person comes "after" the workings of Satan?


    Because it is Satan. He comes "after" or LIKE Satan because he is satan...this Antichrist "role" Satan will play is "like" himself because Satan likes to deceive with "power and signs and lying wonders"


    This is like saying "the Terminator is after or like the working of Arnold Schwarzenegger". Why is that? Because the Terminator is a ROLE Schwarzenegger played and was in fact Schwarzenegger all along just acting or pretending to be a machine from the future. The Antichrist will also be a ROLE that Satan plays (acting or pretending to be God), and yes, will have been Satan all along too. It is truly the greatest act of deception that will ever have been attempted and for a short time it will be extremely successful. Don't be deceived. If someone thinks the antichrist will be a human man influenced by satan, they have already been deceived. No wonder the antichrist will fool so many because they are pre-deceived before it ever happens.



    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    The falling away is Apostacy and that means Christians leaving the faith for a false God. It has no other meaning, so realize the horrible level of spiritual devastation that is coming to the "body of Christ"!


    Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


    So who is the beast that comes out of the pit and goes into perdition?


    Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.


    Its Satan of course, the son of perdition. Perdition means to perish and that's what will happen to Satan after he ascends from the pit.



    Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

    Don't think the seven headed beast and the false prophet are literal things or people, its all symbology partially explained in Rev 17.


    Anyone looking for some wicked human antichrist-man is going to be fooled when Satan appears pretending to be Christ, known as the Antichrist. Do not be fooled by a type or foreshadow or similarity of the Antichrist. I have no doubt that some human man will come on the scene and make most Christians think he is fulfilling the Antichrist prophecies...but he wont be the actual AC, but only a type...only a trick to fool Christians looking for "an" Antichrist instead of "the" Antichrist.


    The Antichrist and the False prophet are one in the same, the same being. It's like saying a President and George Washington. The one often called the "political beast" is the first beast of Rev 13 which is a governmental system ruling the world and the "religious" beast is the false prophet/Antichrist whom is a single being that claims to be God and rules over the first beast and thus the world. All of that together with the deceived people worshipping him constitutes the whore Babylon which simply translates as "confusion".




    1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.


    Antichrist will come, but until then many types of the AC shall come...do NOT fall for a type as the real thing. There are all those that deny Christ which makes them Antichrist's because they oppose Christ but the other thing John wrote about is the singular, specific one that is called Antichrist. He is not merely just one of the others. He is unique and he is the one that is most dangerous. He is called by many other names than Antichrist but Antichrist is the most used in Christianity.


    The AC will be Satan, a supernatural being who will claim to be God, specifically Jesus Christ. He will have "powers" and will look like and present himself as Christ and that's how he is able to fool the world, even Christians. Most Christians as yourself are expecting a human AC and Satan knows this and will take advantage of it.

    Rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

    The Devil will cast some people into prison during the tribulation! Could he do that while acting in the role of the antichrist?

    2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; [font color=red]so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God[/font].
    2 Thessalonians 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
    2 Thessalonians 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
    2 Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
    2 Thessalonians 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


    Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
    Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.



    Isa 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
    Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
    Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
    Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

    Did you notice Lucifer, the fallen ANGEL will be in the pit?

    Rev 9:10 And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months.
    Rev 9:11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.


    2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
    2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


    Is it a coincidence that Lucifer/Satan wanted to do the same things the antichrist is prophesied to do? Can you imagine the level of deception if satan himself, the fallen archangel, were to pretend to be God? After being kicked out of heaven, doesn't it make sense that satan himself would try to be God on teh world stage known as the great tribulation? The last time he really is allowed any power before Christ returns? It amazes me people are still thinking it's just going to be some man satan influences...
     
  7. Just The Facts

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    Hello Shiloh

    Oh but you are wrong he does claim to be Jesus returned.

    [23] Then if any one says to you, `Lo, here is the Christ!' or `There he is!' do not believe it.

    People saying here is Christi there is Christ is people thinking Jesus has returned. The Elect are Christians.

    [24] For false Christs and false prophets will arise and show great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. [25] Lo, I have told you beforehand.

    Just to be clear who the Elect Are.

    [31] and he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    [7] What then? Israel failed to obtain what it sought. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened,

    [10] Therefore I endure everything for the sake of the elect, that they also may obtain salvation in Christ Jesus with its eternal glory.

    [1] Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to further the faith of God's elect and their knowledge of the truth which accords with godliness,
     
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    Hello Ewq

    But Lucifer is not the Beast in the Pit. Lucifer is roaming the Earth the Beast is locked in the Pit.
     
  9. ewq1938

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    Lucifer/satan's other names are Apollyon and Abaddon. He is the angel of the pit.
     
  10. timothyu

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    Is that in scripture?
     
  11. Just The Facts

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    No The Destroyer is in The Pit. Not Lucifer. Lucifer is not the King of the Pit Baal is the King of the Pit.

    Baal (/ˈbeɪl/ BAYL; sometimes spelled Bael, Baël (French), Baell, Buel) is one of the seven princes of Hell in 17th-century goetic occult writings. The name is drawn from the Canaanite deity Baal mentioned in the Hebrew Bible as the primary god of the Phoenicians.

    In this hierarchy, Baal (usually spelt "Bael" in this context; there is a possibility that the two figures aren't connected) is ranked as the first and principal king of Hell, ruling over the East. According to some authors, Baal is a Duke with sixty-six legions of demons under his command. According to Francis Barrett, he has the power to make those who invoke him invisible.

    So Baal King of the Pit is in the Pit while Lucifer is free to roam the earth

    8] Be sober, be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking some one to devour.

    Unless it is your position that Lucifer was locked in the pit Between Peter's words and your words
     
  12. ewq1938

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    If you study what the various names mean and Satan's relation to this same pit.

    Satan isn't a personal name although we do use it in that way. All the "names" he has are really just descriptions of who he is. The word satan means adversary, devil means accuser, apollyon means destroyer and abaddon means destruction, dragon means a great serpent and serpent is just serpent implying deception and danger. When these are read in context it is always the one we call "Satan". They are not 4 different beings in context.
     
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    It doesn't say Apollyon was locked in the pit but he will be when Christ returns.
     
  14. timothyu

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    The only collector card I have is the Tempter.
     
  15. ewq1938

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    That's simply another name for the same person.
     
  16. timothyu

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    But according to Hebrew tradition it was the Tempter's job to go about tempting
     
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    Sounds like he's doing his job properly.
     
  18. timothyu

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    Agreed but probably fired before he can collect his pension
     
  19. Just The Facts

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    Hi Ewq

    Are we reading the same book. You're not really going to say he is not in the pit Just King over them are you?

    I have shown you who the king of the pit is. It is not knew info The Beast is in the Pit the King of the Pit is in the Pit they get released at the fifth Trumpet.
     
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    He enters and leaves the pit after it was opened but wasn't locked in it.

    You didn't use scripture. You used a false God of the heathens which is not something I accept.
     
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