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Featured How does the Beast Convince the World he is God /Jesus

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    Like mammon. All bow to it and it determines whether we can buy or sell. And we never even see who is at the top of the system and owns it all.
     
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  2. Kaon

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    Mammon/Hermes/Thoth is definitely one of the entities that will darn near destroy us before the Entity comes.
     
  3. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    Why would you want to link the Mammon of the Bible with that combo?
     
  4. Kaon

    Kaon Well-Known Member

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    I don't "want" to; they are the same gods worshiped under different names.

    In reality, there are only a hand full of gods (fallen) that have been worshiped since antiquity - even to this day.
     
  5. timothyu

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    So you would prefer to avoid the biblical connection of Mammon being wealth and gain at the expense of others?
     
  6. Kaon

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    I am exposing all of them - precisely because they are all liars in that one would think they are anything different! Mammon/Hermes/Thoth all promise the same package under the same deception. People just know about "mammon" today because it is preached. But this entity is a god under different names - with the same false promises and "flatteries". There is no "avoidance of the biblical connection".
     
  7. timothyu

    timothyu Well-Known Member

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    Why not just say the Adversary?
     
  8. Kaon

    Kaon Well-Known Member

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    Because there are several "adversaries" including humans, and distinction is important in any [spiritual] warfare. Saying "adversary" (satan) marginalizes what is going on, and by whom.
     
  9. timothyu

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    Does it matter? They all follow the same ideals as the Adversary be they figureheads or minions. Know the Adversary, you know (recognize) them all. Get muddled up in the 'many' and you end up with religion.
     
  10. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus PESKY DEVIL! GIT! l SAID GIT! Supporter

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    Are you serious?
    What makes you say that?
     
  11. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    The imperial cult was quite alive and well when St. John wrote the Apocalypse. Domitian had a temple dedicated to his father Vespasian and brother Titus, because the emperors were to be regarded as divine. Since the time of Julius Caesar divinity was ascribed to the emperors (though Julius technically wasn't the first emperor, Augustus was), hence Tiberius had divi fillius Augustus (son of the divine Augustus) printed on his coins. Likewise Domitian was self-styled divi fillius; as Caesar he was a living god, and he was the son of a god (Vespasian) and the brother of a god (Titus), even as Nero, Tiberius, and those before him had styled themselves in this fashion.

    The Beast, i.e. Caesar, was self-styled divine and worship of the emperor and his image was forced upon the Roman populace. Christians, of course, refused to pay fealty to the emperor and offer incense to his image, and that is one of the reasons the saints were martyred by the Roman state. It's why St. John in the Apocalypse describes the city of Rome as a harlot drunk on the blood of the saints, seated upon a beast which bore the imperial purple.

    The Beast didn't claim to be God, nor did he/they claim to be Christ; rather the Beast claimed divinity on the basis of the long-standing imperial cult of Rome.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  12. timothyu

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    ..and Constantine much later on
     
  13. ViaCrucis

    ViaCrucis Evangelical Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    That, of course, isn't true. Since Constantine did not enforce the imperial cult. Anti-Constantinianism is based upon conspiracy theory and ignorance of history. There are lots of reasons to be critical of Constantine: Constantine continued to offer some level of support and patronage to the Solus Invictus cult at least for some time, or at least appears to have done so even after his reported conversion to Christianity; Constantine sided with the Arians following the Council of Nicea and most infamously had St. Athanasius removed from his apostolic see in Alexandria, the first of many times Athanasius would have to stand against the world as Defender of the Faith; Constantine's personal life was fraught with wicked actions such as having his wife Fausta drowned and having his son Crispus executed. Constantine is hardly a model for Christians to imitate: A murderer, a heretic (or at the very least on the side of heretics), whose own conversion is somewhat questionable as the emperor was never baptized until on his death bed--and had his close friend, the Arian Eusebius of Nicomedia perform the rite.

    If you really want to be outraged by the politicization of Christianity in the Roman Empire, don't look at Constantine, you should look at Theodosius I. It was Theodosius who declared Christianity the official religion of the Roman Empire by his Edict of Thessalonika which made orthodox Nicene Christianity official, and thus outlawed heresy, and technically, other religions as well.

    I'm no fan of Constantine, but Constantine isn't some historical bogeyman. Neither is Theodosius. Christianity before and after the fourth century remained intact. The fundamental problem was the intermingling of state politics with the Christian Church, which would become a defining feature (and recurring problem) throughout late antiquity, the middle ages, and into the early modern period.

    -CryptoLutheran
     
  14. tranquil

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    I totally forgot about this screen capture from the movie Zero Theorem, a Terry Gilliam movie. The Zero Theorem - Wikipedia

    batman the redeemer.png

    it's interesting to see the Jewish 'payot' / sidelocks with a shaved head (which has various meanings in Judaism, I think) Payot - Wikipedia

    Also, just last week I realized that the Joker was a subliminal for Guy Fawkes/ V for Vendetta/ Anonymous, which puts a different spin on the opening of Dark Knight & the Joker bank robbery.
     
  15. ewq1938

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    No, his second coming is found in Rev 19, before the thousand years begins in Rev 20 and long before Rev 20:10. He must return to resurrect the dead as seen in Rev 20:4 so they can reign with him over the nations.
     
  16. Kaon

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    They don't all follow the same adversary. You need to know your enemies, and how they attack in order to know how to evade and protect yourself from them.

    Religion doesn't have room to discuss the intricacies of this spiritual war. Religion is canonical.
     
  17. ewq1938

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    It was "a beast" but not the Rev 13:1 beast simply because John wrote one kingdom was falling and one was yet to come and would only exist a short time...it is that short kingdom which is the Rev 13:1 beast. It is literally impossible for John to be saying that last kingdom-beast is Rome.

    Rev 17:10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
     
  18. timothyu

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    All adversaries follow the same pattern of self.
     
  19. Douggg

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    Except the text doesn't say kingdom but kings.
     
  20. timothyu

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    So the tradition of naming themselves Gods and the statues to himself as the sun god are fallacies, or simply denials by those worshipping their beneficiary??
     
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