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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Just The Facts, Feb 3, 2019.

  1. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    Hello Ewq

    Th False Gods are the Fallen Angels scripture tells us so. Here is but one example.

    16:They stirred him to jealousy with strange gods; with abominations they provoked him to anger. They sacrificed to demons that were no gods, to gods they had never known.

    We Know Azazel is the leader of the Fallen Angels cast into the pit.

    [6] And the angels that did not keep their own place but left their proper dwelling have been kept by him in eternal chains in the nether gloom until the judgment of the great day;

    The Hebrews even took a goat out to the exact place where in Enoch Azazel and the other Angels were cast. The put all the sins of the people on the goat.

    6Again the Lord said to Raphael, Bind Azazyel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there.

    Dudael is east of Jerusalem

    [10] but the goat on which the lot fell for Aza'zel shall be presented alive before the LORD to make atonement over it, that it may be sent away into the wilderness to Aza'zel.

    The whole term scapegoat comes from Azazel being cast in the Pit. Enoch says.

    12 All the earth has been corrupted by the effects of the teaching of Azazyel. To him therefore ascribe the whole crime.

    And God says all men will be Destroyed by the Watchers. IE The Destroyer

    11All the sons of men shall not perish in consequence of every secret, by which the Watchers have destroyed, and which they have taught, their offspring.
     
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    How does Israel on the moon affect the outcome?
     
  3. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    That isn't scripture and it doesn't matter if some false gods are fallen angels. Many are simply inventions of man.
     
  4. Just The Facts

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    Hello EWQ

    It absolutely is scripture and I gave you just one example. Here is another

    [20] No, I imply that what pagans sacrifice they offer to demons and not to God. I do not want you to be partners with demons.

    They are not inventions of Man.................. they are.

    [12] For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

    You are just wrong about this. Please do not take that statement wrong or as an attack.......... it is not meant in that way. I believe this lack of understanding which is wide spread in modern Christianity has created a real lack of understanding of what we are all dealing with. This is not a figment of man's imagination. These are real Spiritual Beings who have been plotting against man for thousands of years. They have knowledge and understanding on a level that far surpasses mankind's knowledge. Do not be deceived they are real.......... they are dangerous............. and have posed as Gods in the past................... they know well how to deceive Mankind in this en devour.
     
  5. ewq1938

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    The book of Enoch isn't scripture nor is the wiki page on Baal. You have no biblical support that the angel of the pit is Baal but I have some that suggests it is simply Satan by other names. I've associated the two names to Satan, and how Satan is so uniquely related to that same pit.

    Scripture is the only valid evidence for scriptural issues.
     
  6. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    Hello EWQ

    Jesus the Apostles and the Saints disagree they either directly quote Enoch or directly reference Enoch over 30 time in the NT.

    I presented Scripture with Enoch you are just ignoring it., Your choice.... Peace to you my brother in Christ
     
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    Exo 19:1
    On the third new moon after the people of Israel had gone forth out of the land of Egypt, on that day they came into the wilderness of Sinai.

    Jos 10:12
    Then Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel:
    “Sun, stand still over Gibeon;
    And Moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.”

    Act 7:42
    But God turned away from them and gave them over to the worship of the sun, moon and stars. This agrees with what is written in the book of the prophets: “ ‘Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings forty years in the wilderness, people of Israel?

    ............................
     
  8. ewq1938

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    Apollyon
    G623
    Ἀπολλύων
    Apolluōn
    ap-ol-loo'-ohn
    Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.
     
  9. timothyu

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    Is there an alter built in the Kingdom?
     
  10. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    Hello ewq

    What you are using Strongs...Strongs is not a definitive dictionary of what the Scripture says. It is a concordance of how different translator's translated different words.

    Lucifer is a Dragon in Revelation Clearly stated as such. Lucifer is repeatedly Called a Dragon in Revelation. In the rest of scripture he is called by other names. never once is he called Apollyon in the Septuagint or Ababdon in the Hebrew.

    In fact Apollyon is not even the same Greek word as the Hebrew Abaddon which means destruction or ruin which is apoleia in Greek. Here is the name of Apollo in Greek Apollon................. which is the Greek god of many things including Ironically...........the amazing ability to heal deadly wounds . In some early manuscripts of Revelation it simply says Apollon. Apollon is the Greek Equivalent of Baal in many aspects. He is the Sun God also known as Mythras who is Baal.

    It is the same as Ashteroth in Jeremiah and other places. It is a deliberate compilation of the Greek name Astarte and the Hebrew word boshet, "shame," John does the same here combining the Hebrew word for Destruction..... with a False god............. the Greek god Apollo.

    By The Time John penned Revelation the Pagans had already started trying to incorporate Jesus into the Pantheon of gods.

    Look the reality is Baal is called by Name 64 times in the Bible. Elijah says we must choose between Baal and God. Isaiah says we will be the Witnesses that he not baal is the one true God. Apollo is the Greek equivalent of Baal. God of War and Destruction. John was writing this warning ie Revelation to the Greek Churches of Asia Minor. He simply used the name of the Local God of War and Destruction in a word play with the Hebrew word destruction. The Names Baal Apollo are only different because of Bable they are one in the same. They are the False god that taught mankind war and death.

    That is why they are opposing Titles............. Jesus is the Prince of Peace.............. Baal is the God of War. Baal Taught Mankind to make weapons and war ........................Jesus will destroy all the armies of the world and make everyone destroy their weapons. One is Christ one is opposite of Christ Anti Christ. One is Savior the other is destroyer.

    I hope this helps you understand.
     
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  11. ewq1938

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    Clearly? It doesn't appear in the entire book a single time. The Strong's is a fully accurate dictionary by scholars.

    Those are his names as well. Who else can it be, using scripture as evidence? None of his angels are ever named, only him, so it makes perfect sense that these names are his and no one else.


    The meanings are synonyms actually and the two names are for the same angel so they naturally are going to have the same meaning.

    Barnes:
    Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon - The name Abaddon means literally “destruction,” and is the same as Apollyon.

    Clarke:
    Abaddon - From אבד abad, he destroyed.
    Apollyon - From απο, intensive, and ολλυω, to destroy. The meaning is the same both in the Hebrew and Greek.

    Gill:
    whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon; both which signify a "destroyer"

    apollyon means destroyer

    Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

    Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

    abaddon means destruction

    1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

    Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept which is why scholars say the two names have the same meaning.


    I hope this helps you understand.
     
  12. Just The Facts

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    Wow you really just don't listen or read not sure which. In Greek there is no Word Apollyon. So no it does not mean destruction. It is a made up word. Just as Ashteroth is not a word in Hebrew it is a made up word.

    The Word Clark uses is ὄλλῡμῐ it is destroy but it is not

    Apollyon spelt Ἀπολλύων.
    Apollo in English pronounced Apollon in Greek spelt Ἀπόλλων

    You are just wrong the words are almost Identical just one letter different. The purpose of the one letter ( ῡ ) is it takes the sound from the word destroy (ὄλλῡμῐ)above and adds it into Apollon the greek god of destruction.

    As I said there is no such word in Greek it is word play on a false god's name................. the name Apollyon (Ἀπόλλων)just as Ashteroth is a play on Astare.
     
  13. ewq1938

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    That's not a mature or Christian thing to say nor is it remotely true.

    It is not a made up word. It's a real Greek word spelled Ἀπολλύων in the Greek language.

    G623
    Ἀπολλύων
    Apolluōn
    ap-ol-loo'-ohn
    Active participle of G622; a destroyer (that is, Satan): - Apollyon.
     
  14. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    You clearly do not understand what Strong's is. IT IS NOT A DICTIONARY.

    It is a Concordance

    con·cord·ance
    Dictionary result for concordance
    /kənˈkôrdns/
    noun
    noun: concordance; plural noun: concordances
    1.
    an alphabetical list of the words (especially the important ones) present in a text, usually with citations of the passages concerned.

    It is a concordance of How Translators translated the various Greek and Hebrew Words in the Bible.

    A Dictionary is an explanation of what a word means.

    dic·tion·ar·y
    Dictionary result for dictionary
    /ˈdikSHəˌnerē/
    noun
    noun: dictionary; plural noun: dictionaries
    a book or electronic resource that lists the words of a language (typically in alphabetical order) and gives their meaning, or gives the equivalent words in a different language, often also providing information about pronunciation, origin, and usage.

    The Word Apollyon is not a word found ANYWHERE in Ancient Greek ............................NOT ONCE .....Not in ANYTHING ...........................EVER WRITTEN.
     
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    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    It's obviously both...hence why it provides the definitions of each word.
     
  16. Just The Facts

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    So now you are going to deny what Concordance means. Wow I give up. it is explaining how the Translators translated the word not what the word meant IE In Greek it does not exist in Greek only in Revelation.

    Tell you what find me one text anywhere in Greek that uses the word outside of Revelation
     
  17. ewq1938

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    That's also wrong. Strong's provides both the definition of the word and ends with the various translation choices.

    G623
    Ἀπολλύων
    Apolluōn
    ap-ol-loo'-ohn


    This is the spelling and pronunciation.

    Active participle of G622;

    this is the root word


    a destroyer (that is, Satan):


    This is the definition

    - Apollyon.

    This is the translation choice.

    Also, even if the word is used only in Rev, that does not make it a "made up word".

     
  18. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    Hi Eqw

    Ya ok lol
     
  19. ewq1938

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    How To Use Your Strong’s Concordance | Help With Bible Study

    Let’s look at a word. I’ve looked up the word ‘division’. I can see that this word is used six times in the whole of Scripture. Two references are in the O.T. and four are in the N.T. The numbers at the end of each line refer to the Greek and Hebrew dictionary. If it’s the O.T. it will be the Hebrew (occasionally Chaldean), if it’s the N.T. it will be Greek. The two O.T. references both have different numbers next to them; therefore we know that it refers to two different Hebrew words. Of the four N.T. references, one is of one number and three are all the same. So we know that there are two different Greek words that have both been translated as ‘division’. Let’s go with the three references that are all the same used in John. The number is 4978. Now you must turn to the Greek part of the dictionary because this is from the New Testament.

    Here we are shown four things:
    1.The Greek word – SCHISMA.
    2.The etymology (root) from which this word was formed – (‘from’ followed by another Strong’s number).
    3.The meaning of this word (i.e. SCHISMA).
    4.After you see this symbol :- there follows a list of all the other words into which SCHISMA has been translated.
     
  20. Just The Facts

    Just The Facts Senior Veteran

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    Hi ewq

    I understand how it works.

    Now here is the actual Greek word destroyer

    ὀλοθρεύω

    Why Didn't he just use the actual Greek word for destroyer

    Destroyer is a Verb not a Noun

    You are just not getting what I am saying and even Strong says it.

    Ἀπολλύων, -οντος, ὁ, (participle from ἀπολλύω), Apollyon (a proper name, formed by the author of the Apocalypse),

    It is a Made up Word it is not a Greek Word. It is a Word John Made up Just like others made up Ashtoreth

    Here is the Name of the goddess and the city where she was from.

    12:4: And the coast of Og king of Bashan, which was of the remnant of the giants, that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,

    Notice it is Ashtaroth which is the name of the city Where Astarte was goddess. Well that is the name the Hebrew gave to it. Now Notice WHO IS THERE the remnant of the Giants see Gen 6: and see Enoch. By the Way Astarte is the Wife of Baal and I say Baal is Azazel and Azazel was on of the Angels who took human wives and bore the giants. Wow what a coincidence.

    2:3:And they forsook the LORD, and served Baal and Ashtaroth

    Now look how they (Hebrew authors of Scripture) changed it to combine Astarte with the Hebrew word for shame Boshet to get Ashtoreth

    11:3:Because that they have forsaken me, and have worshipped Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, Chemosh the god of the Moabites, and Milcom the god of the children of Ammon, and have not walked in my ways, to do that which is right in mine eyes, and to keep my statutes and my judgments, as did David his father.

    If you haven't gotten it by now perhaps it is not your time. Peace my Brother in Christ
     
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