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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by R.A.M., Feb 5, 2018.

  1. R.A.M.

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    From Creation, to Crucifixion, to Rapture, to Judgment, to Armageddon.

    Adam was created 4004 B.C. according to the genealogies of The Word.
    The World: Born in 4004 BC?
    I will use 4004 B.C. as 0 C.E. And explain the "calendar" of God.

    7 year shmitah cycles. 7th year is a sabbatical year.
    12 is commonly used by God as a division of years, of dividing labor, apostles, tribes, constellations, etc.
    The approaching end of the age viewed in the light of history, prophecy and science

    7x12=84 (12 shmitah/sabattical years)

    84x12=1008 (12 shmitah x 12 = 1 millenium)

    1008×4=4032 (4th millennium = sacrifice of Christ (28 A.D.))

    1008×6=6048 (6th millennium = Return of Christ (2044 A.D.))

    6048 C.E. : 6th millennium ends 2 years before the 120th Sabbath (50x120=6050)
    "And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years."


    1008x7=7056 (end of the millennial reign of Christ on this earth, beginning of Armageddon, then the New Heaven and New Earth)

    1st miennium 0 C.E. - 1008 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
    2nd 1008 C.E. - 2016 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
    3rd 2016 C.E. - 3024 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
    4th 3024 C.E. - 4032 C.E. / 20 Jubiless
    5th 4032 C.E. - 5040 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
    6th 5040 C.E. - 6048 C.E. / 20 Jubilees
    7th 6048 C.E. - 7056 C.E. / 21 Jubilees

    Crucifixion of Christ
    April 28th 4032 C.E./ 28 A.D.
    1st feast: Passover
    10) PhD Dates Crucifixion to AD 28 - 2028 End (Of The World)

    (Christ then fulfilled the feasts of Unleavened Bread, and First Fruits; on their days. Ascended into heaven 10 days before Pentecost. Pentecost was then fulfilled on its day by the Impartation of the Holy Spirit
    A Concise Overview of the Seven Feasts of Israel )

    Rapture of the Spirit Filled Believers in Christ
    Sept 8th 6044 C.E./2040 A.D.
    Planetary Alignment of Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn and the Crescent (New) Moon; on the 5th Feast, the Feast of Trumpets.
    2040 - Wikipedia
    Jewish Calendar 2040 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar
    Interestingly the Hebrew names of each of these planets and a New Moon all have a meaning, and in the order of their alignment create a cohesive sentence:

    Mercury: the light bearers
    Venus: are liberated
    Mars: those who are covered by His blood
    (Litteraly "the Red Ones)
    Jupiter: are redeemed
    Saturn: for the Sabbath
    Crescent/New Moon: through the door to the inner room of Almighty God.


    Return of Christ for The Judgment:
    Oct 1st 6048 C.E./2044 A.D.
    Bethlehem star, sign of The Son of Man which is the Occultation of Regulus by Venus
    On the 6th Feast, the feast of Atonement/Yom Kippur
    2044 - Wikipedia
    Jewish Calendar 2044 | Hebcal Jewish Calendar
    Star of Bethlehem - Wikipedia

    If you read all of the way through, thank you. I hope this helps create a dialogue of constructive investigation, not accusative arguements without mutual respect :) I know it's a hot topic.
     
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  2. Tolworth John

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    No it is a pointless topic.

    Jesus said that no one but God the Father knows when the Son is going to return.

    So automaticly your calculations are wrong.
     
  3. drjean

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    According to tradition, the Hebrew calendar started at the time of Creation, placed at 3761 BC. The current (2017/2018) Hebrew year is 5778.

    To use your figures, it's still 270 years away.(5778 + 270 = 6048)

    But adjusting -243 years from your figures as the generally accepted Hebrew calendar says creation began...

    6048 - 243 = 5805 only 27 years away!

    I do believe that Christ will come during the fall festivals, fulfilling them. Everything He has done is to show the Nation of Israel Whom He is...He fulfilled the spring festivals in His first coming
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    With such adjustments, including deducting the 7 years of tribulation when believers will not be here (rapture before that) it gives the world 20 years. I haven't really verified the calendars because the Hebrew calendar, as you know, is only 360 days and then month's of adjustment later... but 20 years over 6000 is "nothing" . I would suggest that the difference in current calendar and Hebrew current calendar and that "20 years disappears" which means He can come at ANY TIME!
     
  4. R.A.M.

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    Revelation 1 King James Version (KJV)
    1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John

    The book of Revelation, is the Revelation of these things given To Jesus Christ by God the Father, which Christ then shew unto His Disciples.

    Christ was of course accurate When He said only the Father knew. After His Ascension, The Father then gave Him that Very Revelation to share with us.
     
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  5. R.A.M.

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    :) the Signs in the heavens on the exact day of the fall feasts in 2040A.D. and 2044A.D. Signify their importance. Paired with the end of the 6th millennium ending in year 2044A.D. , we arent far away.
    1008 years equals 1 millennium on God's calendar, not 1000. 4004 B.C. is the first year.
    1008 X 6 = 6048
    6048 - 4004 = 2044
    2044 - 2018 = 26 years until the end of the Tribulation.
     
  6. Tolworth John

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    And even revelation doesn't tell us when he is coming again.
    It confirms that he is coming and that we are to expect his coming. That is it.

    Just supose you are able to prove when Jesus is coming again. That theologian after theologian agreed with your ideas/calculation etc.
    What would happen.
    The date would become public knowledge and nonchristians would believe that they had all the time they needed to sin etc before repenting just before Jesus came again.
    Yes I know how silly that ideas is, but it is how nonchristian will respond.

    In effect because the date of Jesus's return is know they would use it as an excuse not to look into the claims of Jesus.
     
  7. drjean

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    Not silly at all, which is why I posted about it not being nearly 300 years away... because believers become discouraged.

    We cannot know the day and hour BUT we can know "when" because God tells the Hebrews and thus us also.

    I won't elaborate as those verses are piled highly here at the forums :D

    So in keeping with not knowing "the day nor the hour" we find that the other verses do give us the season, the time of His coming. As I think we agree, it's all based upon the Hebrew calendar and traditions (previous ones Christ fulfilled so we are to draw from that He will continue that process.)

    His return is based upon the Jewish wedding tradition.
    And it is grounded in the festivals.

    The festival did not officially begin until 2 separate witnesses (I assume this means 2 peoples not standing next to each other to verify) see the full moon and go to the priest to declare it, whom then declares the start of the festival. Is this right, am I recalling this correctly?

    Now, that moon could be seen and the witnesses tell the priest any time over a 2 day period. So while we cannot know for sure that exact day (such as the exact moment of moon rising) nor the hour (that the witnesses will see it and declare it ) we CAN know, as God Word tells us, WHEN.

    We know that the time is near, NOW, because God tells us about the events in the end times, and how they become closer and closer and are more and more severe, just as birthing a baby. We ARE in end times, there is nothing more that need occur for the rapture: what we see in prophecy is for the tribulation time! And yes, we are removed as the Bride is not subject to His wrath, prior to that tribulational time.

    It's exciting to me... but I know this study scares many.
     
  8. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    This is not correct, Bishop Ussher mis-calculated and I prove it:

    7000 years from the Creation to the Completion of Mankind:

    Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BCE [subtracted back from 586 BCE]

    Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 6:7 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BCE

    Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when God called him and they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4
    Total years so far = 2000


    Gen 17:1, Abraham was 99 when the Covenant was made with God. +47 Genesis 17:1-8

    Galatians 3:17 Paul states that the Law was given +430 after the Covenant. Total years elapsed until the Exodus – 2477, in our year 1493.5 BCE.

    [Many ancient records say Comet Typhon passed close the earth at that time. It was the cause of many of the disasters in Egypt.]

    1 Kings 6:1 The Temple construction starts, in the 4th year of King Solomon +480 since the Torah was given at the Exodus.. 1 Kings 11:42 Solomon 40 minus 4 = +36, 1 Kings 14:21 Rehoboam +17, 1 Kings 15:2 Abijah +3, 2 Chron 16:13 Asa +41, 1 Kings 22:42 Jehoshaphat +25, 2 Kings 8:17 Jehoram +8, 2 Kings 8:26 Ahaziah +1, 2 Kings 11:1-3 Athaliah +6, 2 Kings 12:1-3 Joash +40, 2 Kings 14:1-2 Amaziah +29, 2 Kings 15:1-2 Azariah +52, 2 Kings 15:32 Jotham +16, 2 Kings 16:1-2 Ahaz +16, 2 Kings 18:1-2 Hezekiah +29, 2 Kings 21:1 Manasseh +55, 2 Kings 21:19 Amon +2, 2 Kings 22:1-2 Josiah +31, 2 Kings 22:31 Jehoahaz +3mths, 2 Kings 23:31 Jehoiakim +11, 2 Kings 24:8 Jehoichin +3mths, 2 Kings 24:18 Zedekiah +11, who ruled until the Babylonian captivity in our year 586 BCE.

    Total elapsed years to the first exile of Judah = 3386.5

    586 BCE + 613.5 years + 2 comes to 29.5 CE, the date of Jesus’ baptism. Luke 3:1 Plus 2 to include the total number of elapsed years, as our calendar system counts years from their commencement.

    3386.5 + 613.5 = 4000 years from Adam to Jesus.


    January 2018 CE - 29.5 CE = 1988.5 years since the commencement of Jesus’ Ministry.

    1988.5 + 4000 = 5988.5 years, is where we are now. 5988.5 + 11.5 = 6000 years

    2018 CE + 11.5 = 2029.5 CE Exactly 2000 years to the end of the present Church age.

    4000 since Abraham, 6000 since Adam. Next comes the 1000 year reign of Jesus.

    7000 years is God’s decreed time for mankind.

    Those who have been found worthy will go into Eternity with God. Revelation 22:1-5
    Ref: logostelos.info

     
  9. R.A.M.

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    I will continue to examine your timeline, but while I do, can you support this variation with any special events in the heavens, on Feast Days, that would mark the end of the Church age?
     
  10. keras

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    Good. You will see that God's 7000 year plan has and will be perfectly fulfilled. BTW, it isn't my timeline!
    I believe the Lord will use the Appointed Days for His actions:
    Jesus will Return on Tabernacles, Sukkot. The 7 Trumpets may commence at Yom Teruah, etc.
     
  11. R.A.M.

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    Have you read any of the works by Henry Grattan Guiness on the subject? I find His work to have been the most intriguing I have ever read.
     
  12. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    HGG, and all the Commentators from the Early Church Fathers, to todays so called prophecy experts do not have the truth and all of them are just speculator's and make their own interpretations of Bible prophecy.
    Daniel 12:4-10 is plain: The Words are sealed and only in the last days will a few understand. Isaiah 42:18-20
    God is only now lifting a corner of the veil He has placed over the Prophetic Word. But everyone who has chosen to believe false teachings will not understand until things came to pass. Isaiah 32:3-4
     
  13. R.A.M.

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    These are the last days my friend.
    They few are among you now.
     
  14. Marilyn C

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    Hi R.A.M.

    I calculated the time from the other end. That is 1,000 years for the millennium. And prior to that we know is the trib. plus 2 mths.

    ....I...........I.....I.......I......................................I
    ........Tribulation..Jesus..2 mths........ Millennium

    So we need two fixed points, one in the Millennium and one in the 2 months after Jesus Returns and cleanses the Temple. (1,290 days)

    1. The Passover is in the month of Nissan, (the first month of the Jewish New Year) and always on the 14th day of that month. Now exactly 4 weeks prior is -

    2. The Festival of Purim - The time of celebrating Israel`s National Deliverance, firstly in Esther`s time, and then when the Lord delivers Israel from the armies of the nations, surrounding Jerusalem. This festival is on the 15th day of Adar, (in Jerusalem).

    Now the month of Adar (29 days) is repeated every 3 years or so to get the calendar on track for the festivals. (Note Israel`s lunar months need to catch up to the Solar calendar)

    So from those two fixed dates we can tell all the other times the Lord has given us in His word.

    I.............I......I............I.....................................I
    ..Tribulation...Jesus(30)...(30).15th.....New Year (14th Passover)

    God`s word tell us that `blessed is he who waits and comes to the 1,335 days.` (Dan. 12: 12)
    So noting 1,335 days is 45 days after 1,290 days, (Jesus`Return (1,260) and cleansing the Temple - 30 days - 1,290) then they are blessed to reach that time.

    1,335 days = 1,290 days + 30 + 15 days. or
    1,335 days = 1,260 days + 30 (1,290) + 45 days (30 & 15)

    The 15th day is the feast of Purim, National deliverance. So they are very blessed to have reached that time of celebrating National deliverance.

    Then we know that 4 weeks after that celebration is the Passover, and we find ourselves in the Millennium.

    I can do dates if you wish.

    regards, Marilyn.
     
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  15. parousia70

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    So far so good.....

    The things that, at that time, were ordained to shortly take place for the time was then near.

    Do those words mean anything?

    Jesus sure thought so:
    Matthew 24:33
    33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.

    John was no idiot, nor was He a liar.
     
  16. Marilyn C

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    Hi parousia,

    `Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it; for the TIME is near.` (Rev. 1: 3)

    The `time,` is the appointed time, is, at hand, (near) when the Revelation, the unveiling of who the Lord Jesus is in the heavenly realms, is unfolded to the Apostle John. Thus we read further on when this happened - Rev. 1: 10 - 20.

    And the things which God would show John would, speedily take place, when they happened.

    Marilyn.
     
  17. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    But what was prophesied didn't happen 'shortly' and therefore we know that the timing John used was God's timing; that is: 1 day to God equals 1000 years earth time.
    So there has been a little under 2 days since John wrote Revelation, just a short time for God.

    Your beliefs, Parousia, leave you without any knowledge of what God plans for our future. This isn't right, as God has given prophecy for our study and warnings about what must happen.
     
  18. R.A.M.

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    John was neither of these things, you are correct.
    Habeas also fluent in multiple languages. But english wasn't one of them.

    Revelation 1 Interlinear Bible

    The phrase you've selected actually means that once it begins, the following events will happen very quickly.

    Our modern English translations are woefully misleading. If we want to stand on Scripture, we Have to learn the Greek and Hebrew texts.
     
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    * He was also fluent in multiple languages...

    Auto correct strikes again
     
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    Nice work, I'll take some time to digest and assimilate. I think your work there is definitely valuable, thank you for sharing.
     
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