God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[tatteredsoul]

Romans chapter 10 verse 4
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
The law never made anything perfect.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.

Where did Christ say it?

Not Paul.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Did Christ ever say that any part of God's law was not to be followed anymore?

For example, where does Christ say, "And when I complete my work and die, then resurrect, you lot can throw out the OT, and just focus on love - forget about God's Law"?

Where does Christ insinuate God''s Law is null in any way?

I don't want to hear disciple words; I want it from the horse''s literal mouth - from the Word of God Himself.

The Most High God - the Father - will also suffice.

 

[disciple1]

Christ was born under the law, it wasn't finished until he died on the cross.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

 

[tatteredsoul]

Christ was born under the law, it wasn't finished until he died on the cross.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

I want to see where the Word of God Himself explicitly says that the Word of God does not have to be followed. I want to know from Christ Himself, or His Father. Not Paul. Not Peter. Not Enoch. Christ, or God.

God isn't confusing; man is. He has always been extremely clear so that a child can understand. So, without other humans' input: Where does the Word of God say we no longer have to follow the Word of God?

 

[disciple1]

I want to see where the Word of God Himself explicitly says that the Word of God does not have to be followed. I want to know from Christ Himself, or His Father. Not Paul. Not Peter. Not Enoch. Christ, or God.

God isn't confusing; man is. He has always been extremely clear so that a child can understand. So, without other humans' input: Where does the Word of God say we no longer have to follow the Word of God?

No one obeys the law.
Matthew chapter 21
32 For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.
Luke chapter 3


7 John said to the crowds coming out to be baptized by him, “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath? 8 Produce fruit in keeping with repentance. And do not begin to say to yourselves, ‘We have Abraham as our father.’ For I tell you that out of these stones God can raise up children for Abraham. 9 The ax is already at the root of the trees, and every tree that does not produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire.”

10 “What should we do then?” the crowd asked.

11 John answered, “Anyone who has two shirts should share with the one who has none, and anyone who has food should do the same.”

12 Even tax collectors came to be baptized. “Teacher,” they asked, “what should we do?”

13 “Don’t collect any more than you are required to,” he told them.

14 Then some soldiers asked him, “And what should we do?”

He replied, “Don’t extort money and don’t accuse people falsely—be content with your pay.”

 

[tatteredsoul]

@disciple1, Did Christ ever say that any part of God's law was not to be followed anymore?

For example, where does Christ say, "And when I complete my work and die, then resurrect, you lot can throw out the OT, and just focus on love - forget about God's Law"?

Where does Christ insinuate God''s Law is null in any way?

I don't want to hear disciple words; I want it from the horse''s literal mouth - from the Word of God Himself.

The Most High God - the Father - will also suffice.

 

[Travis93]

@disciple1, Did Christ ever say that any part of God's law was not to be followed anymore?

For example, where does Christ say, "And when I complete my work and die, then resurrect, you lot can throw out the OT, and just focus on love - forget about God's Law"?

Where does Christ insinuate God''s Law is null in any way?

I don't want to hear disciple words; I want it from the horse''s literal mouth - from the Word of God Himself.

The Most High God - the Father - will also suffice.

Never of course.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

 

[disciple1]

Never of course.
Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one,that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
Matthew 23:2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Matthew 23:3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Luke 16:17 And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

I'm keeping the law love your neighbor as yourself that's the entire law, your teaching laws you don't keep and your teaching others to not love their neighbor as them self, so we know who the quote is talking about.

Matthew 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Travis93]

I'm keeping the law love your neighbor as yourself that's the entire law, your teaching laws you don't keep and your teaching others to not love their neighbor as them self, so we know who the quote is talking about.

Who said I'm teaching against loving your neighbor?
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

 

[disciple1]

Who said I'm teaching against loving your neighbor?
Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.

You have to lay down your life for Christ, and love is the only way you can, the other laws mean nothing, unless your doing it out of love. If you trying to obey any other law your failing and a false teacher, because your not obeying them.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Never of course.

Matthew 23:
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not................

Don't leave out the rest of Matt 23..................

Matt 23:15
"Woe to ye, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
that ye are going about the sea and the dry to make one proselyte,
and when he becomes one, ye make him a son of geennhV <1067> two-fold more of yeselves.
37 Jerusalem! Jerusalem! that slayeth the prophets, and stoneth them that have been sent unto her
38 Behold! your house is left to you desolate.

Reve 18:
16 saying, "Woe, woe, the great City, the one having been clothed, fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and having been golding in gold, and to stone, precious, and to pearl--"
that to one hour was desolated the many riches.
19 And they cast dust upon their heads and cried out, lamenting and mourning, saying "woe! woe! the great City, in which are rich all the ones having the ships in the sea out of the preciousness of Her,
that to one hour She was desolated

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm
The Destruction Of JERUSALEM
An Absolute and Irresistible PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF CHRISTIANITY:

....... The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.......
............The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins..
Concerning the Temple, our LORD had foretold, particularly, that notwithstanding their wonderful dimensions, there should "not be left one stone upon another that should not be thrown down ;"
In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings. Thus was this great City, which only five months before, had been crowded with nearly two millions of people........



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[FredVB]

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
12 My command is this: Love each other as I have loved you. 13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends. 14 You are my friends if you do what I command.

Love summing up the law does not in that do away with all the law, rather love is the only way for godly law to be fulfilled, that is, be obeyed. And not all are covered, those not obedient in Christ are still with disobedience according to such law. And love fulfilling it has to have you loving, and not limiting it as you see fit. How are you loving?

 

[disciple1]

Love summing up the law does not in that do away with all the law, rather love is the only way for godly law to be fulfilled, that is, be obeyed. And not all are covered, those not obedient in Christ are still with disobedience according to such law. And love fulfilling it has to have you loving, and not limiting it as you see fit. How are you loving?

This shows the law makes nothing perfect, not the old testament law or the new.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
LOVE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANYTHING PERFECT.

 

[disciple1]

This shows the law makes nothing perfect, not the old testament law or the new.
Hebrews chapter 7

11. If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the law was given to the people), why was there still need for another priest to come--one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

12. For when there is a change of the priesthood, there must also be a change of the law.


18. The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless

19. (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.
LOVE IS THE ONLY THING THAT MAKES ANYTHING PERFECT.

1 John chapter 4 verse 18
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

 

[bugkiller]

Love summing up the law does not in that do away with all the law, rather love is the only way for godly law to be fulfilled, that is, be obeyed. And not all are covered, those not obedient in Christ are still with disobedience according to such law. And love fulfilling it has to have you loving, and not limiting it as you see fit. How are you loving?

Nope! but good question .

bugkiller

 

[BobRyan]

Love summing up the law does not in that do away with all the law, rather love is the only way for godly law to be fulfilled, that is, be obeyed. And not all are covered, those not obedient in Christ are still with disobedience according to such law. And love fulfilling it has to have you loving, and not limiting it as you see fit. How are you loving?

amen!

 

[BobRyan]

Christ was born under the law, it wasn't finished until he died on the cross.
1 Timothy chapter 1 verse7, 8
They want to be teachers of the law but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.
We know that the law is good if one uses it properly.
Galatians chapter 3 verses 24,25,23
So the law was put in charge to lead us to Christ that we might be justified by faith. Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law. Before this faith came, we were held prisoners by the law, locked up until faith should be revealed.

Jesus kept perfectly the Ten Commandments including "do not take God's name in vain" - but that does not mean Christians today should just go ahead and take God's name in vain.

No matter that this is the only commandment not quoted even in part -- in the NT -- of the TEN Commandments.

 

[BobRyan]

Those at war with God and His law - have a reason to fear according to Hebrews 10

 

[disciple1]

amen!

But no one obeys the law.
Matthew chapter 25 verses 31-46
When the Son of Man comes" in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. he will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. Then the King will say to those on his right, Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me. then the righteous will answer him, Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and got visit you? The King will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me. Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.They also will answer, Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you? He will reply, I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me. Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.

 

[BobRyan]

But no one obeys the law.
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Romans 8 says that is the view of the lost.

3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

We all understand the view of the lost - we all know why they would view it that way.