God's TEN Commandments: Keep them? or break them?

[disciple1]

Driving laws can be summed up by "drive safely", but that doesn't mean the individual laws such as not drinking, obeying speed limits, and not running red lights don't matter. Killing someone, stealing from them, coveting their possessions and so on proves you don't love your neighbor. Having other gods, taking his name in vain, owning graven images, and so on proves you don't love God.

When did I say kill someone.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

 

[Bob S]

Driving laws can be summed up by "drive safely", but that doesn't mean the individual laws such as not drinking, obeying speed limits, and not running red lights don't matter. Killing someone, stealing from them, coveting their possessions and so on proves you don't love your neighbor.

It could, but as the commands of the 10 are written they are duties. If they were about love they would read: if you love your fellow man you will not steal from them and so on.

 

[Travis93]

It could, but as the commands of the 10 are written they are duties. If they were about love they would read: if you love your fellow man you will not steal from them and so on.

Included in the ten commandments is the distinction between those who love God and keep the commandments, and those who hate him and break them.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Jesus says that this is the summation of the law.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The rest of the law, not just the ten commandments but all of it, explains how God wants people to love others and himself. That's why Jesus say the law hangs on them.

 

[disciple1]

Included in the ten commandments is the distinction between those who love God and keep the commandments, and those who hate him and break them.
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
Exodus 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Jesus says that this is the summation of the law.
Matthew 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Matthew 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the Lord.
Deuteronomy 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.

The rest of the law, not just the ten commandments but all of it, explains how God wants people to love others and himself. That's why Jesus say the law hangs on them.

I don't think any of you quoted here know what love is, study the bible you'll learn, Gods word lasts forever nothing else does.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.

If they were about love they would read: if you love your fellow man you will not steal from them and so on.

Included in the ten commandments is the distinction between those who love God and keep the commandments, and those who hate him and break them.

 

[BobRyan]

I don't think any of you quoted here know what love is,

Rev 12 speaks of the "accuser of the brethren cast down".

Give me the Bible "instead".

 

[disciple1]

Rev 12 speaks of the "accuser of the brethren cast down".

Give me the Bible "instead".

This is the most you can do.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

 

[BobRyan]

This is the most you can do.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

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So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.

Galatians chapter 5 verse 14
The entire law is summed up in a single command love your neighbor as yourself.
John chapter 15
13 Greater love has no one than this: to lay down one’s life for one’s friends.

And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

 

[disciple1]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Well that sort of guesswork will not hold up to the "Sola Scriptura" test -- and we all know it.

Most impressively - so also do many pro-sunday scholars know it.

They know that the Ten Commandments were not deleted by Lev 19:18 or Deut 6:5 in either the OT or the NT.

Nor is there a NT text saying 'these two laws delete the OT, delete scripture, delete the commandments of God.."

Eph 6:2 the text many might prefer to religiously avoid says --> "Honor your father and Mother - which is the FIRST commandment with a promise"

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

===============================================

So then here is the answer to our OP question -- what are included in "God's Commandments" in the following examples??

1 Cor 7:19 "what matters is keeping God's Commandments" --

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

"The saints KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

1 John 5:2-4
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome.

God's commandments where the 5th Commandment is the "FIRST commandment with a promise". Eph 6:2

The answer is easy -- when one does not dismiss Bible details.

Rom 3:31 "31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law."

And of course - Bible details matter.



And does that include the Law to not take God's name in vain?

And to honor one's father and mother - the law where the 5th commandment is "the FIRST commandment with a promise".?? Eph 6:2.

Question - what law still binding on mankind today - includes the 5th commandment as the "FIRST commandment with a promise"??

Question for the group: -- FIRST commandment WHERE??

first in Lev 19:18???? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

how about in Deut 6:5?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

How about John 13?? is that where the 5th commandment is the "First commandment with a promise"?? No!!

We can all see this. So no debate at all so far.

This says nothing about effort on our part.
Revelations chapter 1


5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

 

[Bob S]

This says nothing about effort on our part.
Revelations chapter 1


5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood,

We know we are doing God's will if we believe in Jesus and love as he taught.

1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Jesus is God and Jesus gave us the new command to love each other as He loves us. If we believe and love we have kept the commands of God.

Anyone who teaches differently than the above scripture is on slippery ground and is spreading untruths.

 

[disciple1]

We know we are doing God's will if we believe in Jesus and love as he taught.

1Jn3:19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.

Jesus is God and Jesus gave us the new command to love each other as He loves us. If we believe and love we have kept the commands of God.

Anyone who teaches differently than the above scripture is on slippery ground and is spreading untruths.

I agree with you on this Bob.
Galatians chapter 5 verse 6
The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself in love.

 

[bugkiller]

Rev 12 speaks of the "accuser of the brethren cast down".

Give me the Bible "instead".

Why, when we know full well you're flat out not interested?

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Some would argue that people in the bible take Lev 19:18 "Love your neighbor as yourself"
and Deut 6:5 "Love God with all your heart" as Laws to be used to delete God's spoken Word in Ex 20 - the TEN Commandments.

Law spoken by God and written in stone - where we are then told in Deut 5 "And He added no more" -- .

Then why bother with anything after Deuteronomy?

bugkiller

 

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[Travis93]

Then why bother with anything after Deuteronomy?

bugkiller

History, prophesy, calls to repentance, and so on. No new laws can be made or existing ones deleted (Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32), but there's nothing against God speaking through prophets so people have an ongoing connection to God. That's why God gave instructions on how to identify real prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) and commanded that we hearken unto them (Deuteronomy 18:15-19). Without the rest of the Bible we'd have no idea what the future will be like, or have such a wealth of examples of people's failures to learn from. Most importantly, we wouldn't know who the Messiah is, if not for the gospel accounts telling us of Jesus.

 

[Bob S]

Travis, you are hanging your hat on the Old Testament for your salvation. No one here can possibly take you seriously. Salvation has nothing to do with observing defunct laws given to a now defunct nation.

Sure there is a wealth of information and inspiring thoughts in the OT, but Christians duty is not to the same values as was Israel. I, for one, am finished with reading your untrue statements. Whoever taught you all the "stuff" you post should be ashamed. I love you with brotherly love and will continue praying for you and all those who have been led astray from the simple Gospel of Jesus.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Rev 12 speaks of the "accuser of the brethren cast down".
Give me the Bible "instead".

Give me Scriptures or give me death!!!

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Jesus and the Disciples vs the OC Jewish Rulers

John 5:45
`No be ye supposing that I shall be accusing of-ye toward the Father, is the one accusing of-ye, Moses into whom ye have hoped; [Reve 12:10]

John 18:
29 Pilate went forth toward them and said, "What Accusation do ye bring against this Man"?
30 They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evil-doer, not ever this-one to thee we have delivered Him."
31 Pilate saying then to them"be taking Him ye-selves and according to the Law of ye judge ye Him".
"The Judeans then said to him, "to us not is permitted to be killing no-one";

Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die.
But if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them.
I appeal unto Caesar!.

Coloss 2:15
And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him,
that was cast the accuser of the brothers of us, the one accusing them in sight of our GOD day and night.



.

 

[disciple1]

History, prophesy, calls to repentance, and so on. No new laws can be made or existing ones deleted (Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32), but there's nothing against God speaking through prophets so people have an ongoing connection to God. That's why God gave instructions on how to identify real prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) and commanded that we hearken unto them (Deuteronomy 18:15-19). Without the rest of the Bible we'd have no idea what the future will be like, or have such a wealth of examples of people's failures to learn from. Most importantly, we wouldn't know who the Messiah is, if not for the gospel accounts telling us of Jesus.

History, prophesy, calls to repentance,

This is the only way to repent.
Love your neighbor as yourself.

 

[bugkiller]

History, prophesy, calls to repentance, and so on. No new laws can be made or existing ones deleted (Deuteronomy 4:2, Deuteronomy 12:32), but there's nothing against God speaking through prophets so people have an ongoing connection to God. That's why God gave instructions on how to identify real prophets (Deuteronomy 13:1-5) and commanded that we hearken unto them (Deuteronomy 18:15-19). Without the rest of the Bible we'd have no idea what the future will be like, or have such a wealth of examples of people's failures to learn from. Most importantly, we wouldn't know who the Messiah is, if not for the gospel accounts telling us of Jesus.

Then there can be no new covenant. Either Jeremiah is a false prophet or God is a liar. Take your pick.

Heads I win, tails you lose.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Travis, you are hanging your hat on the Old Testament for your salvation. No one here can possibly take you seriously. Salvation has nothing to do with observing defunct laws given to a now defunct nation.

Sure there is a wealth of information and inspiring thoughts in the OT, but Christians duty is not to the same values as was Israel. I, for one, am finished with reading your untrue statements. Whoever taught you all the "stuff" you post should be ashamed. I love you with brotherly love and will continue praying for you and all those who have been led astray from the simple Gospel of Jesus.

They aren't ashamed of all the easy money they gathered.

bugkiller

 

[bugkiller]

Give me Scriptures or give me death!!!

http://www.herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Lazarus
Jesus and the Disciples vs the OC Jewish Rulers

John 5:45
`No be ye supposing that I shall be accusing of-ye toward the Father, is the one accusing of-ye, Moses into whom ye have hoped; [Reve 12:10]

John 18:
29 Pilate went forth toward them and said, "What Accusation do ye bring against this Man"?
30 They answered and said to him, "If He were not an evil-doer, not ever this-one to thee we have delivered Him."
31 Pilate saying then to them"be taking Him ye-selves and according to the Law of ye judge ye Him".
"The Judeans then said to him, "to us not is permitted to be killing no-one";

Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die.
But if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them.
I appeal unto Caesar!.

Coloss 2:15
And having disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross.

Reve 12:10
And I hear great voice saying in the Heaven: "Now became the salvation and the power and the Kingdom of the God of us, and the authority of the Christ of Him,
that was cast the accuser of the brothers of us, the one accusing them in sight of our GOD day and night.

Like your version oft eh verses even thought hey are hard to read/understand.

bugkiller