Four Proud Boys Convicted of Sedition in Key Jan. 6 Case

[Brihaha]

I am encouraged to witness accountability being dispensed for the heinous attack on our Capitol. All I ever have to do is drive thru a republican led state with long hair and I'm pulled over and searched for any accountability they can find!

 

[Pommer]

It isn't just chaz, it's blm, antifa, etc. ON and on. Blm even stole money, cops killed and ambushed. You gotta be kidding me. So don't worry, there is more coming for these guys, be happy. Well, unless they get even just one to help them get Trump.

I’m sorry, are you saying that protesting for better treatment by our criminal-justice system is just the same as protesting that the guy they wanted to win the Presidency, didn’t?

 

[wing2000]

After what has gone on here you ask this? Are you kidding me? Some are having to share in a jail and rot. Message loud and clear. Some can and some don't dare.

Yes, the message to any would-be protestor: Respect the will of the people, our constitution and institutions.
I await the chief instigator to be brought to justice as well.

 

[Hans Blaster]

This is a partial verdict, other charges are pending. They will get em, don't worry.

The "pending charges" were counts the jury hadn't decided yet on. They were sent back and found 1 defendant not guilty of one charge (seditious conspiracy), but he's got plenty of other convicted charges. All of the defendants have 6 or 7 felonies including at least 1 with a 20 year max.

No one will "do life". Federal sentencing rarely hits the maximum and offenses that "group" together (charges based on the same action or set of actions) are served concurrently, not consecutively. If you wait about 24 hours, we will have the sentencing memo for the similarly convicted "Oath Keeper" defendants so we can see how they would like the judge to sentence on the rare conviction for seditious conspiracy. (The last conviction before 2022 was the "Blind Sheikh" for the 1993 WTC bombing.)

 

[Zoii]

Surely you wall would be pleased that criminal acts of violence and insurrection were met with criminal prosecution - but apparently not,

 

[USincognito]

this charge means life. These guys are libel now to a life sentence.

Tarrio is 39, Nordeen is 32, Biggs 39 and Rehl. Even if they get the max, it's not life for any of them.

Though it should be.

After what has gone on here you ask this? Are you kidding me? Some are having to share in a jail and rot. Message loud and clear. Some can and some don't dare.

The vast majority of the insurrectionists have been released on bond. Those being detained are flight risks.

It isn't just chaz, it's blm, antifa, etc. ON and on.

None of them tried to stop the peaceful transfer of power.

Blm even stole money, cops killed and ambushed.

Not by BLM members.

You gotta be kidding me. So don't worry, there is more coming for these guys, be happy. Well, unless they get even just one to help them get Trump.

Mopey fatalism isn't a very convincing argument.

 

[ralliann]

Yes, the message to any would-be protestor:

Has not happened and aint gonna happen. Too many are fine with that.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The "pending charges" were counts the jury hadn't decided yet on. They were sent back and found 1 defendant not guilty of one charge (seditious conspiracy), but he's got plenty of other convicted charges. All of the defendants have 6 or 7 felonies including at least 1 with a 20 year max.

No one will "do life". Federal sentencing rarely hits the maximum and offenses that "group" together (charges based on the same action or set of actions) are served concurrently, not consecutively. If you wait about 24 hours, we will have the sentencing memo for the similarly convicted "Oath Keeper" defendants so we can see how they would like the judge to sentence on the rare conviction for seditious conspiracy. (The last conviction before 2022 was the "Blind Sheikh" for the 1993 WTC bombing.)

Based on the sentencing memo for the Oath Keepers convicted of seditious conspiracy I expect the DOJ to ask for 20-25 years for the top 3 (Nordean, Biggs, and Tarrio), 17-20 years for Rehl, and 8-10 years for Pezzola who was not convicted of that conspiracy, but of other crimes.

 

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[stevil]

These men's lives should never depend upon that. Never.

A president should never be able to pardon people for committing crimes for him. Never.

 

[ralliann]

A president should never be able to pardon people for committing crimes for him. Never.

That is not the issue here. There were attempts to find guilt but none found. The bias here concerning justice, is fake. Useless for discussion on Justice. It's coined "mopey" etc. There is no justice unless it applies to all. Lacking that it is simply tyranny.

 

[Hans Blaster]

That is not the issue here. There were attempts to find guilt but none found. The bias here concerning justice, is fake. Useless for discussion on Justice. It's coined "mopey" etc. There is no justice unless it applies to all. Lacking that it is simply tyranny.

I don't know what you are talking about. Certainly these men have been found guilty. Four of sedition and other things, one of just other things. The DOJ is trying hard to find and charge all of those responsible, but there are thousands involved. Some low-level trespassers will not be arrested, but hopefully all of the assaulters and seditionists will.

As for this case, I watched it closely, reading live coverage almost every day and the evidence against them was strong. They earned their guilty verdicts and justice (with appropriate sentences) has been done.

 

[ralliann]

I don't know what you are talking about. Certainly these men have been found guilty. Four of sedition and other things, one of just other things. The DOJ is trying hard to find and charge all of those responsible, but there are thousands involved. Some low-level trespassers will not be arrested, but hopefully all of the assaulters and seditionists will.

As for this case, I watched it closely, reading live coverage almost every day and the evidence against them was strong. They earned their guilty verdicts and justice (with appropriate sentences) has been done.

I was talking about Trump himself.

 

[stevil]

That is not the issue here. There were attempts to find guilt but none found. The bias here concerning justice, is fake. Useless for discussion on Justice. It's coined "mopey" etc. There is no justice unless it applies to all. Lacking that it is simply tyranny.

I was talking about Trump himself.

I wasn't talking about Trump, I was just saying that a president (any president) shouldn't be able to pardon people for committing crimes for their the benefit of that president.
I really don't like presidential pardons.
I don't think a president should be able to pardon their friends, family or their allies.

But speaking of Trump...
Pardoning Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, and Steve Bannon, pardoning Cedrick's father, pardoning Piro's father, I found it all pretty corrupt abuse of presidential powers.

 

[stevil]

That is not the issue here. There were attempts to find guilt but none found. The bias here concerning justice, is fake.

It seems D Trump has been found guilty of sexual assult and defamation

Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused columnist E Jean Carroll

Verdict for first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator but clears Trump of rape

www.theguardian.com

A New York jury found on Tuesday that Donald Trump sexually abused the advice columnist E Jean Carroll in a New York department store changing room 27 years ago.

The verdict for the first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator.

 

[Say it aint so]

It seems D Trump has been found guilty of sexual assult and defamation

Jury finds Donald Trump sexually abused columnist E Jean Carroll

Verdict for first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator but clears Trump of rape

www.theguardian.com

A New York jury found on Tuesday that Donald Trump sexually abused the advice columnist E Jean Carroll in a New York department store changing room 27 years ago.

The verdict for the first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator.

So now sexual abuse, along with fraudulent entities, and his name sake org being found guilty of being a criminal org.

"So much winning, you'll get tired of all the winning"

 

[Hans Blaster]

I was talking about Trump himself.

The DOJ hasn't gotten to Trump yet on sedition, and he's not going to be pardoning anyone.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

It seems D Trump has been found guilty of sexual assult and defamation[...]
The verdict for the first time legally brands a former US president as a sexual predator.

Technically no, since this was a civil lawsuit, not a criminal trial. The burden of proof is lower for a civil lawsuit, and the penalty does not include registering as a sex offender (just financial penalties).

 

[ralliann]

I wasn't talking about Trump, I was just saying that a president (any president) shouldn't be able to pardon people for committing crimes for their the benefit of that president.
I really don't like presidential pardons.
I don't think a president should be able to pardon their friends, family or their allies.

But speaking of Trump...
Pardoning Roger Stone, Michael Flynn, and Steve Bannon, pardoning Cedrick's father, pardoning Piro's father, I found it all pretty corrupt abuse of presidential powers.

It was corrupt powers which charged and threatened them in the first place.