Does the OT say not to lie?

[W2L]

This seems to be a slippery slope. We sould be careful how we interpret the law of love.

 

[brinny]

Yes, do unto others as you would have them do to you. I would want someone to lie to the Nazis in order to protect me from them.

Apparently God agrees with you. Rahab also comes to mind and why God counted her as among the righteous.

 

[W2L]

Apparently God agrees with you. Rahab also comes to mind and why God counted her as among the righteous.

Yes that story is helpful.

 

[brinny]

Sometimes we are forced in the world to choose the "lesser of evils". Rahab lied to protect Joshua's spies, the midwives lied to protect Moses and the other Hebrew babies. Lying is still technically a sin, but if we are forced to answer something, it is a greater sin to deliver up the innocent to murder.

Did Rahab commit evil? Did the midwives?

 

[Dave-W]

Did Rahab commit evil? Did the midwives?

In the eyes of those who claim that lying in those cases was evil, yes.

And so did Corrie Ten Boom.

 

[brinny]

In the eyes of those who claim that lying in those cases was evil, yes.

And so did Corrie Ten Boom.

Perhaps i should ask this:

Was it considered "evil" in God's eyes?

In an above post love was mentioned. I would add, along with that love, grace and mercy.

Do unjust laws that are an abomination to God, supersede God's laws?

 

[DamianWarS]

I know the 10 commandments command us not to bear false witness against our neighbor but what about other lies?

God told Samuel to lie and commit an act of treason (1 Sam 16)

 

[Dave-W]

Perhaps i should ask this:
Was it considered "evil" in God's eyes?

No. And that is based on the principle I put forward in post #20.

Do unjust laws that are an abomination to God, supersede God's laws?

Of course not. And when they interfere with our own obedience, we are free to ignore them.

“We must obey God rather than men..”

 

[brinny]

No. And that is based on the principle I put forward in post #20.

Of course not. And when they interfere with our own obedience, we are free to ignore them.

“We must obey God rather than men..”

i apologize. i will go back and read post #20.

Thank you for your patience.

Excellent verse, by the way.

 

[W2L]

God told Samuel to lie and commit an act of treason (1 Sam 16)

I was blessed by reading that chapter, thank you. I dont see where Samuel lied though. Nor do i see treason because God is the authority, not Saul. Treason would be to go against God.

 

[brinny]

I was blessed by reading that chapter, thank you. I dont see where Samuel lied though. Nor do i see treason because God is the authority, not Saul. Treason would be to go against God.

i agree. Samuel was obeying God rather than man. Saul was an abomination to God.

 

[RaymondG]

Let the weak say....I Am strong??????

 

[W2L]

Let the weak say....I Am strong??????

Amen. Did you post in the wrong thread?

 

[RaymondG]

Amen. Did you post in the wrong thread?

Nope, Thought it was a humerus addition to the questions "Does the OT say NOT to lie.

 

[W2L]

I get it now @RaymondG. Perhaps thats not a lie but instead is a truth. Consider Pauls testimony about being strong when he was weak. (2 Corinthians 12:9-10)

 

[W2L]

Nope, Thought it was a humerus addition to the questions "Does the OT say NOT to lie.

Yes it took a minute to sink in but i finally understood why you posted that. I answered your post in my last post.

 

[brinny]

Let the weak say....I Am strong??????

Hi Raymond. There is a profound TRUTH in this. What it means is that it is not WE who are STRONG. It is GOD'S strength IN us. Not our OWN strength.

"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me." ~Phil 4:13

 

[Strong in Him]

I know the 10 commandments command us not to bear false witness against our neighbor but what about other lies?

I hate lies.
But I can't help thinking that some lies, under some circumstances, are ok.
After all, Rahab hid the spies and lied to the king of Jericho - she said that they had left the city when all the time they were under the roof. She is commended in the book of Hebrews for her faith, Hebrews 11:31, rather than condemned for her lying.

 

[RaymondG]

I get it now @RaymondG. Perhaps thats not a lie but instead is a truth. Consider Pauls testimony about being strong when he was weak. (2 Corinthians 12:9-10)

Yes, I agree we need to considered more the effects of lying and what a lie is. The OT states that those that are weak (genuinely weak..) should say that they are strong....

This would imply, on the surface, that you can become what you say you are.......so the lie becomes the truth.....therefore we cant really lie about other selves....in the long run.

For this cause, I never call out "sick," without cause, neither say that I am even if my body tells me otherwise.

Now the discuss of lying about other things or people outside of ourselves is an issue needing more time....and i may or may not need to pass around an offering plate after explaining........

 

[brinny]

I hate lies.
But I can't help thinking that some lies, under some circumstances, are ok.
After all, Rahab hid the spies and lied to the king of Jericho - she said that they had left the city when all the time they were under the roof. She is commended in the book of Hebrews for her faith, Hebrews 11:31, rather than condemned for her lying.

She was "obeying" someone.

Who was it?

“We must obey God rather than men..”