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So..... what is the one thing, please.Whoah. Slow down. Can you take one thing at a time. This is what Pretribbers do. When one segment of Pretrib is exposed/refuted they move on to another. But the first forbids your future millennium. We are there now!
Looks like we are poles apart. God bless, as we continue on this journey in the Lord.You are just ignoring the verse data you asked for, and then asserting whatever you can find from elsewhere. And this 7000 years is nonsense - God made the world through evolution over billions of years. Genesis is a creative 'myth' (genre storytelling - like a parable) that is TRUE - but not meant to be read literally. It tells us why and for whom God made the world, not HOW.
Check the coloured link I made to the other thread. The point is when Jesus returns it is a once-only event with universal and eternal consequences applied immediately. It's NOT a rapture, nor is it the start of a weird half kingdom 1000 years or anything like that. It's BOOM! All at once. Salvation, Judgement, New Heavens and New Earth - and eternity ushered in.8 people were not.
As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)You haven`t proven there is no millennium. Those scriptures just show that God will deal with the rebellious when Jesus comes in power and great glory. There will still be people on the earth then. Remember `one taken and one left.` (Matt. 24: 39 - 42)
8 people were not.
Whoah. Slow down. Can you take one thing at a time. This is what Pretribbers do. When one segment of Pretrib is exposed/refuted they move on to another. But the first forbids your future millennium. We are there now!
Hi Truth,As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)
Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ
afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim
(Then Cometh The End)
(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)
1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
(There Isn't A 1,000 Year Kingdom On This Earth Found Between Verses 23-24 Here)
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
So, what is the `one thing?` Please.When Pretrib is exposed as error you quickly move to a future millennium.
Interesting! My commentary says it is quoting Psalm 8:6 and expounding the breadth and thoroughness of Jesus reign, not the timing.Hi Truth,
Now I see where you get that idea that everything is sorted out when the Lord comes. However, the phrase `then comes the end,` in Greek means to set out for a definite point or goal. And that is over time. It is not `the end` full stop, but a setting out for a conclusion.
One subject at a time.So, what is the `one thing?` Please.
I Disagree, (Then Cometh The End) is the time when death is swallowed up in victory, eternity begins just as 1 Corinthians chapter 15 teachesHi Truth,
Now I see where you get that idea that everything is sorted out when the Lord comes. However, the phrase `then comes the end,` in Greek means to set out for a definite point or goal. And that is over time. It is not `the end` full stop, but a setting out for a conclusion.
What makes you think that "there will still be people on the earth after "one is taken and one left"? After every person is either taken or left, in other words? That is not what Jesus taught.You haven`t proven there is no millennium. Those scriptures just show that God will deal with the rebellious when Jesus comes in power and great glory. There will still be people on the earth then. Remember `one taken and one left.` (Matt. 24: 39 - 42)
You both are believing nonsense. For absolute certainty, you are believing things that are not taught in scripture anywhere.You are just ignoring the verse data you asked for, and then asserting whatever you can find from elsewhere. And this 7000 years is nonsense - God made the world through evolution over billions of years.
This is utter nonsense. How do you have the gall to call someone else's belief nonsense and then proceed to say something that is far more nonsensical than what she said?Genesis is a creative 'myth' (genre storytelling - like a parable) that is TRUE - but not meant to be read literally. It tells us why and for whom God made the world, not HOW.
Is your view different than the typical pre-trib view? Most pre-tribs relate "one taken, one left" to a pre-trib rapture and believe those who are left are left alive on the earth to go through the tribuation. That isn't how you see it?I agree the wicked were not left, they were taken away as per the flood as God`s word says.
Just checking out your link.
Nowhere does scripture teach that. You should stick to what scripture actually teaches instead of trying to add to it.This age continues till 7,000 years, the number of completion. The 7th day (as a thousand years) is as God`s rest, rest from wars, & Satan`s interference. Israel will rule over the nations under the Lord and people will have opportunity to go up to Jerusalem and learn of God`s ways. (Micah 4: 1 - 3)
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.The `in which` of 2 Peter 3: 10 refers to the Day of the LORD, period of time and at the end will be the rolling up of the heavens and earth.
The `Sheep,` nations that looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)What makes you think that "there will still be people on the earth after "one is taken and one left"? After every person is either taken or left, in other words? That is not what Jesus taught.
People need to remember that there is more to what Jesus taught about these things than just what is written in Matthew 24. Both Mark 13 and Luke 21 have further insights into His Olivet Discourse that are not found in Matthew 24. And there are also passages like the following where Jesus talked about things that He also talked about in the Olivet Discourse.
Luke 17:32 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it. 34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.” [36] [e] 37 “Where, Lord?” they asked. He replied, “Where there is a dead body, there the vultures will gather.”
Notice what Jesus indicates will happen to those who are left behind and not taken. They will be dead. Killed. Feasted on by the vultures. So, with this in mind, what people exactly will supposedly still be on the earth after "one taken and one left"?
That`s right, that scripture is when the Lord comes in power and great glory and sorts out the `Sheep and Goat Nations.` The `one taken and one left` reveal that wherever the person is they will be judged.Is your view different than the typical pre-trib view? Most pre-tribs relate "one taken, one left" to a pre-trib rapture and believe those who are left are left alive on the earth to go through the tribuation. That isn't how you see it?
`in which,`..........that reveals a period of time as does the word Day. In Hebrew and Greek the word Day means a period of time and a specific day.Nowhere does scripture teach that. You should stick to what scripture actually teaches instead of trying to add to it.
2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
How does this refer to a "period of time" in any way, shape or form? The "in the which" refers to "the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up". How long do you suppose it will take for the heavens and the earth to be burned up? Because that's all it's saying will happen "in the which" time that the day of the Lord occurs. Trying to say that the day of the Lord is a thousand years in length does not line up at all with what this verse says. This verse only references something that can easily happen in one literal day. So, to act as if "the rolling up of the heavens and earth" only happens at the end of the day of the Lord rather than being what happens on the day of the Lord is a case of changing the text to fit your doctrine.
The sheep are not nations, they are individual believers.The `Sheep,` nations that looked after the Jews in the trib. (Matt. 25: 31 - 46)
The only thing Peter indicated about that supposed "period of time" is that the heavens and earth would be burned up during that time. So, how can you think of that as a long period of time? It doesn't fit the context of what Peter said.`in which,`..........that reveals a period of time as does the word Day. In Hebrew and Greek the word Day means a period of time and a specific day.
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